A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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@DragonParadox , what's your take on the general utility of Legend Lore :: d20srd.org in game?
For example, could we use it to know something of the plans of that Falxugon that orchestrated the whole devil plot in the North?
For example, could we use it to know something of the plans of that Falxugon that orchestrated the whole devil plot in the North?
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Of course not, but it will be satisfying, and it will help us drown the Tree of the Dawn Age in Outsider fertilizer.
She never knew it, only her mother did
It could not do that. Legend lore is good for knowing stuff that is or was at some point known to a large group of people. So ancient stories, lost passages, the life stories of long-lived creatures that sort of thing.
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*Shrugs* "A wizard did it"
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But it could certainly give us enough information to know, for example, some of his enemies in Baator, which could in turn point us towards more clear ways to find him. Right?
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Speaking of lore, though, something that @TalonofAnathrax mentioned last night kicked something in my brain. Lemme find it, one sec.
So we have a Sundering event that is implied to have begun where the Plane of Shadow touches ours. We have extremely heavy implications that Taimat is strongly linked to and holds a vast amount of power there. We also know that Valyria destroyed Chromatic dragonkind as a race on the Plane of Balance through the ritual that turned them into Valyrian dragons. And it's nothing less than destroyed, don't fudgeaboutit. And then...well. We have this.
The Sundering obliterated Valyria, the bastion of a power built not just on the summoning of devils and blood sacrifice, but also the utter annihilation of Chromatic dragonkind as a species on our Material plane. I can't imagine that Tiamat would have taken such complete eradication of her primary source of worshippers well. So she turns to the Plane of Shadow, a Plane that we know breeds paranoia and distrust. Shadow creeps into the spaces between the light, no matter the source, and finds cracks through which it can spread. There's a story already on record about how the Plane of Shadow can bring down an empire; Neverwinter Night's 2. Now, to be fair, what happened there with the Guardian becoming the King of Shadows was exceptional. Karsus' Folly had to occur, breaking the existence of the Weave for a bare minute, but that was enough. And Ilfearn fell as a result.
To put this another way, the Plane of Shadow is one well known for creating horrors that reach through breaks in the light. The failing of magic was only one part of the Sundering, itself an inter-planar cataclysm that shattered the links between realities so terribly that they've still not fully recovered. It's a fragile system the the Material and all else exists in, and Tiamat had every reason to seek vengeance on a world that had snuffed out her children. She's nothing if not vicious when it comes to her reprisals. And note what Syrax said in that dream. It.
It implies a thing, but a thing doesn't have to be inanimate. Valyria fell in fire and a rain of blood, but if the Sundering didn't start there, how did it travel? How was it possible to keep at bay, if only for a while? That strikes me as more a spell, or a creature, one that even Gods couldn't fight. Any plane can make those, but the Plane of Shadow is uniquely suited to it. In the FR continuity, Shar made the Shadow Weave as her own way of stopping the Goddess of Magic cutting her off from it - a power Mystra did possess, she just couldn't stop true worshippers gaining divine power. The Shadow Weave gave Shar access to magic that Mystra couldn't control, did the same to her worshippers, and also was part of what allowed Mystra to eventually be murdered, which loosed the Spellplague on the multiverse. Let's repeat that: on the multiverse.
To wit, a theory. The Sundering wasn't (just) an Event. It was a Thing. A creation of shadow and magic and divine hatred and spite and maybe even death as well - for all we know there once was a deity of magic, and the Valyrian gods were only trying desperately to hold back the Sundering - and in doing so actually made the end results worse. But imagine. Taimat is called the Mother of Monsters. She earns that title. But she's still a mother, and even if her children are pawns, Valyria murdered not just them, but their legacy as a species.
Valyria was the heart of magic, and that is a good reason for why the Sundering broke it so. But it was also the Empire that humbled a truly spiteful deity in the worst way, and then gave her centuries to orchestrate vengeance.
Think about it. I might be wrong, but if I'm right...
So we have a Sundering event that is implied to have begun where the Plane of Shadow touches ours. We have extremely heavy implications that Taimat is strongly linked to and holds a vast amount of power there. We also know that Valyria destroyed Chromatic dragonkind as a race on the Plane of Balance through the ritual that turned them into Valyrian dragons. And it's nothing less than destroyed, don't fudgeaboutit. And then...well. We have this.
The Sundering obliterated Valyria, the bastion of a power built not just on the summoning of devils and blood sacrifice, but also the utter annihilation of Chromatic dragonkind as a species on our Material plane. I can't imagine that Tiamat would have taken such complete eradication of her primary source of worshippers well. So she turns to the Plane of Shadow, a Plane that we know breeds paranoia and distrust. Shadow creeps into the spaces between the light, no matter the source, and finds cracks through which it can spread. There's a story already on record about how the Plane of Shadow can bring down an empire; Neverwinter Night's 2. Now, to be fair, what happened there with the Guardian becoming the King of Shadows was exceptional. Karsus' Folly had to occur, breaking the existence of the Weave for a bare minute, but that was enough. And Ilfearn fell as a result.
To put this another way, the Plane of Shadow is one well known for creating horrors that reach through breaks in the light. The failing of magic was only one part of the Sundering, itself an inter-planar cataclysm that shattered the links between realities so terribly that they've still not fully recovered. It's a fragile system the the Material and all else exists in, and Tiamat had every reason to seek vengeance on a world that had snuffed out her children. She's nothing if not vicious when it comes to her reprisals. And note what Syrax said in that dream. It.
It implies a thing, but a thing doesn't have to be inanimate. Valyria fell in fire and a rain of blood, but if the Sundering didn't start there, how did it travel? How was it possible to keep at bay, if only for a while? That strikes me as more a spell, or a creature, one that even Gods couldn't fight. Any plane can make those, but the Plane of Shadow is uniquely suited to it. In the FR continuity, Shar made the Shadow Weave as her own way of stopping the Goddess of Magic cutting her off from it - a power Mystra did possess, she just couldn't stop true worshippers gaining divine power. The Shadow Weave gave Shar access to magic that Mystra couldn't control, did the same to her worshippers, and also was part of what allowed Mystra to eventually be murdered, which loosed the Spellplague on the multiverse. Let's repeat that: on the multiverse.
To wit, a theory. The Sundering wasn't (just) an Event. It was a Thing. A creation of shadow and magic and divine hatred and spite and maybe even death as well - for all we know there once was a deity of magic, and the Valyrian gods were only trying desperately to hold back the Sundering - and in doing so actually made the end results worse. But imagine. Taimat is called the Mother of Monsters. She earns that title. But she's still a mother, and even if her children are pawns, Valyria murdered not just them, but their legacy as a species.
Valyria was the heart of magic, and that is a good reason for why the Sundering broke it so. But it was also the Empire that humbled a truly spiteful deity in the worst way, and then gave her centuries to orchestrate vengeance.
Think about it. I might be wrong, but if I'm right...
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Hmmmm, wizard might be a lie.
Put Tiamat above Illithids on our list?
Edit: Spelling mistakes grrmmll
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"Why are we using the Snare for this first, rather than what we had planned to do?" Malarys really could not divine where the source of this grudge initially lay, but unlike others he wasn't afraid to cut to the heart of the matter and simply ask the King himself.
Viserys looked at the ritual circle with unrestrained glee, the eerie witchlights casting aglow the voluminous chamber and framing his smiling features in such like manner to the fangs hidden away might as well be poking from his mouth. "Settling an old score." He waves at the little demon that appears then, who doesn't have any trouble recognizing him. "Shit."
"Shit indeed. Hello. NOW GOOD BYE!"
Even Malarys felt sorry for the thing.
Just a little.
Viserys looked at the ritual circle with unrestrained glee, the eerie witchlights casting aglow the voluminous chamber and framing his smiling features in such like manner to the fangs hidden away might as well be poking from his mouth. "Settling an old score." He waves at the little demon that appears then, who doesn't have any trouble recognizing him. "Shit."
"Shit indeed. Hello. NOW GOOD BYE!"
Even Malarys felt sorry for the thing.
Just a little.
Snowfire
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Works for me. I want the match too.
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Sure, that works.
No matter what egg we give to Amrelath, he's coming out of it as a True Red. The color is irrelevant.
So, we're going with this?
Accumulated Valyrian Dragon Eggs:
1. Pink as the first hints of dawn's light -- retrieved from the devils -- Zherys
2. Black with specs of gold -- retrieved from the devils -- Rhaella
3. Pale almost ghostly silver -- retrieved from the devils -- Reva
4. Pale almost ghostly silver -- retrieved from the devils -- Liset
5. Blue as the summer sky -- taken from Daena the Defiant's hidden cache -- Amrelath
6. Midnight black with sparks of amber -- taken from Daena the Defiant's hidden cache -- Dany
7. Jade green -- gifted by the Sealord as a symbol of Braavos' friendship and its future allegiance -- Malarys
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Snowfire
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Um...I thought Azel wanted the two blacks for Dany and Rhaella...
Yes, however you would have to cast is somewhere in the Nine Hells to get infernal lore.
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Wanted. The fact that we can't give Zherys the egg that the Sealord gave us and that we're leery of giving him petrified eggs changes circumstances a bit.
Okay, that works too.
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The Dawn egg is alive. Give him that one.
Put her above everything on our list. The ability to shatter the multiverse is fricking terrifying.
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Aka the "teleport without error&planeshift&dimensional anchor(*) into Yss gullet" ritual circle.
(*) That was the really hard part of the ritual, to ensure that only the magic circle induced transport works, not any external magic, no contingency, pact or natural inclination of the soul to return to its native plane
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@Azel, I'm assuming you're going to handle this vote and the politics, so in advance here's a thing for the egg distribution:
[] Give Zherys one of the eggs retrieved from the devils, the one that's pink as the first hints of dawn's light, to be formally gifted to him when we raise him up to rule Volantis in our name.
-[] Distribute the rest of the eggs as follows
--[] Black with specs of gold -- retrieved from the devils -- Rhaella
--[] Pale almost ghostly silver -- retrieved from the devils -- Reva
--[] Pale almost ghostly silver -- retrieved from the devils -- Liset
--[] Blue as the summer sky -- taken from Daena the Defiant's hidden cache -- Amrelath
--[] Midnight black with sparks of amber -- taken from Daena the Defiant's hidden cache -- Dany
--[] Jade green -- gifted by the Sealord as a symbol of Braavos' friendship and its future allegiance -- Malarys
Matching colors achieved for Dany and Rhaella, and matching colors for Reva and Liset. Your call on how to explain how the egg was awoken, though.
[] Give Zherys one of the eggs retrieved from the devils, the one that's pink as the first hints of dawn's light, to be formally gifted to him when we raise him up to rule Volantis in our name.
-[] Distribute the rest of the eggs as follows
--[] Black with specs of gold -- retrieved from the devils -- Rhaella
--[] Pale almost ghostly silver -- retrieved from the devils -- Reva
--[] Pale almost ghostly silver -- retrieved from the devils -- Liset
--[] Blue as the summer sky -- taken from Daena the Defiant's hidden cache -- Amrelath
--[] Midnight black with sparks of amber -- taken from Daena the Defiant's hidden cache -- Dany
--[] Jade green -- gifted by the Sealord as a symbol of Braavos' friendship and its future allegiance -- Malarys
Matching colors achieved for Dany and Rhaella, and matching colors for Reva and Liset. Your call on how to explain how the egg was awoken, though.
tarrangar
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They can still be created by something as easy as intercourse between 2 dragons, anything that can be accomplished by a roll in the hay, should be replicable with 9th circle magic.
Which is why you don't wish to be a dragon, you Polymorph yourself into a dragon, and then wish for that to be your base form.
Okay fuck it dragons are special snowflakes here, I still say that anything that can reproduce as easily as dragons can, shouldn't be that hard to make though magic, but it appear even DP disagree now.
If lore said dragons had a hard time reproducing, needing places or items of great power because dragons souls were costly, then I would understand it, but dragons are the opposite of that, they are known for their virility, they can reproduce with just about anything, and the offspring will still have a lot of the Dragon powers, virility is one of the central themes of Dragons, so I don't see why creating a new Dragon would be so hard, the essence of Dragons want to multiply after all.
Dragons are beings of great power, but they are also beings of great virility, everything about their being says that reproduction is easy, considering that I don't see why making an artificial Dragon would be so hard, Dragon genetics are Hardy after all, and should instinctively be helping themselves keep existing.
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[X] Plan Dragons
-[X] Give Zherys one of the eggs retrieved from the devils, the one that's pink as the first hints of dawn's light, to be formally gifted to him when we raise him up to rule Volantis in our name.
-[X] Distribute the rest of the eggs as follows
--[X] Black with specs of gold -- retrieved from the devils -- Rhaella
--[X] Pale almost ghostly silver -- retrieved from the devils -- Reva
--[X] Pale almost ghostly silver -- retrieved from the devils -- Liset
--[X] Blue as the summer sky -- taken from Daena the Defiant's hidden cache -- Amrelath
--[X] Midnight black with sparks of amber -- taken from Daena the Defiant's hidden cache -- Dany
--[X] Jade green -- gifted by the Sealord as a symbol of Braavos' friendship and its future allegiance -- Malarys
-[X] Tell him that you know how to bring dead eggs back to life. You will share the lore once the plan has come to fruition as a gift to Volantis as a whole, giving extra credit to the restoration of Valyria narrative.
-[X] Ask further questions before finalising the plan.
--[X] What will the Mysterium fo during this?
--[X] What about the priests of Meraxas?
--[X] What about the Devil enslaved astronomer? This would be a good moment for her to betray Zherys and likewise a good moment to get rid of her and other liabilities. The Mysterium should not come out without a scratch, lest people see through the coup that easily.
--[X] Where will his army camp on the day?
--[X] Are there any other large events on that day?
--[X] How sure is he of the warding on the burned out manse being able to keep out the Demons, especially with the distraction caused by this?
-[X] Wait for Garin and Glyra to report in.
Preliminary plan. Thinking about the coup now.
-[X] Give Zherys one of the eggs retrieved from the devils, the one that's pink as the first hints of dawn's light, to be formally gifted to him when we raise him up to rule Volantis in our name.
-[X] Distribute the rest of the eggs as follows
--[X] Black with specs of gold -- retrieved from the devils -- Rhaella
--[X] Pale almost ghostly silver -- retrieved from the devils -- Reva
--[X] Pale almost ghostly silver -- retrieved from the devils -- Liset
--[X] Blue as the summer sky -- taken from Daena the Defiant's hidden cache -- Amrelath
--[X] Midnight black with sparks of amber -- taken from Daena the Defiant's hidden cache -- Dany
--[X] Jade green -- gifted by the Sealord as a symbol of Braavos' friendship and its future allegiance -- Malarys
-[X] Tell him that you know how to bring dead eggs back to life. You will share the lore once the plan has come to fruition as a gift to Volantis as a whole, giving extra credit to the restoration of Valyria narrative.
-[X] Ask further questions before finalising the plan.
--[X] What will the Mysterium fo during this?
--[X] What about the priests of Meraxas?
--[X] What about the Devil enslaved astronomer? This would be a good moment for her to betray Zherys and likewise a good moment to get rid of her and other liabilities. The Mysterium should not come out without a scratch, lest people see through the coup that easily.
--[X] Where will his army camp on the day?
--[X] Are there any other large events on that day?
--[X] How sure is he of the warding on the burned out manse being able to keep out the Demons, especially with the distraction caused by this?
-[X] Wait for Garin and Glyra to report in.
Preliminary plan. Thinking about the coup now.
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