He can lift it alright but what he can't do effectively is use it because greatswords are meant for adults. Ser Derry would not have had the money to spend on custom made great-swords.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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He can lift it alright but what he can't do effectively is use it because greatswords are meant for adults. Ser Derry would not have had the money to spend on custom made great-swords.
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Fair point. Then just a regular sword would make more sense. Hrm.
PKRudeboy
Gentleman Snarker
[X] Unseen Seer
Name: Viserys Targaeryan
Alignment: Neutral
Class: Sorcerer 1
Feats: Summon familiar; Draconic Heritage (Red); Able Learner, Spell Focus (Enchantment)
STATS:
16 (+3) Charisma
14 (+2) Intelligence
14 (+2) Constitution
13 (+1) Dexterity
13 (+1) Strength
12 (+1) Wisdom
SAVES:
FORTITUDE: 0 + 2
REFLEX: 0 + 1
WILL: 2 + 1
Spells:
Level 0: Light, Detect Magic, Prestidigitation, Mending
Level 1: Charm Person, Disguise Self
Skills:
Bluff 4 +3 =7
Concentration 4+2 =6
Spellcraft 4+2=6
Sense Motive 2+1=3
Hide 2+1=3
Search 2+2=4
Spot 2+1=3
Name: Viserys Targaeryan
Alignment: Neutral
Class: Sorcerer 1
Feats: Summon familiar; Draconic Heritage (Red); Able Learner, Spell Focus (Enchantment)
STATS:
16 (+3) Charisma
14 (+2) Intelligence
14 (+2) Constitution
13 (+1) Dexterity
13 (+1) Strength
12 (+1) Wisdom
SAVES:
FORTITUDE: 0 + 2
REFLEX: 0 + 1
WILL: 2 + 1
Spells:
Level 0: Light, Detect Magic, Prestidigitation, Mending
Level 1: Charm Person, Disguise Self
Skills:
Bluff 4 +3 =7
Concentration 4+2 =6
Spellcraft 4+2=6
Sense Motive 2+1=3
Hide 2+1=3
Search 2+2=4
Spot 2+1=3
I'm of the school of thought that says always max your primary spell ability. Even if you mainly buff, you'll still want high DC's for some other spells. Remember, we probably won't be able to rely on other casters, so we can't focus strictly on buff spells. We would also need to improve it if we want to cast higher level spells, since your ability score needs to be the spells level plus 10.
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The thing is I want to start him getting magic in the middle of a potential fight. I need to know what magic he gets.
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[x] Viserys Targaryen, BC-version1.0
Sure, I like the idea. Also I have no knowledge on d&d so lets just go with what sounds fun and will get an update faster.
Sure, I like the idea. Also I have no knowledge on d&d so lets just go with what sounds fun and will get an update faster.
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Gardener of Human Happiness
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[X] Unseen Seer
BC is not really valid right now because of the Greatsword focus... We'll have to wait for the vote to be modified.
PKRudeboy
Gentleman Snarker
For people unfamiliar with DnD, I'll give a brief overview of the two choices.
Swiftblade: Pro's- It's an utter monster in melee. It gets a lot of attacks, high base attack bonus, slightly more hitpoints, faster tactical movement speed, and enemy attacks have chance of missing you. Cons- You're a Sorcerer in melee. It doesn't get as many hitpoints as any of the dedicated combat classes, you have trouble casting spells in armor and would have to use a feat to be proficient in it anyway, you lose spellcaster levels, and thus you won't get as powerful spells as a pure caster would. You don't have a huge number of skill points, and a limited skill selection. Damage output is heavily dependent on weapons and feat choices. Needs lots of feats.
It's the build to pick if you want to be able to out duel people like Jaime Lannister, Syrio Forel, and Barristan the Bold.
Unseen Seer: Pro's- You're an infowar god. Lots of skills, sneak attack bonus, a few extra spells, more powerful divination spells. Cons- Slightly lower hitpoints, lower base attack bonus, weaker non-divination spells unless you spend a feat. Stay out of melee.
It's the build to pick if you want to be Varys with magic. It has a bonus to divination, but it doesn't lock you into it. In combat, you'd probably stay in the back and lob fireballs, or sneak/teleport into the enemy general's tent the night before and slit his throat.
Swiftblade: Pro's- It's an utter monster in melee. It gets a lot of attacks, high base attack bonus, slightly more hitpoints, faster tactical movement speed, and enemy attacks have chance of missing you. Cons- You're a Sorcerer in melee. It doesn't get as many hitpoints as any of the dedicated combat classes, you have trouble casting spells in armor and would have to use a feat to be proficient in it anyway, you lose spellcaster levels, and thus you won't get as powerful spells as a pure caster would. You don't have a huge number of skill points, and a limited skill selection. Damage output is heavily dependent on weapons and feat choices. Needs lots of feats.
It's the build to pick if you want to be able to out duel people like Jaime Lannister, Syrio Forel, and Barristan the Bold.
Unseen Seer: Pro's- You're an infowar god. Lots of skills, sneak attack bonus, a few extra spells, more powerful divination spells. Cons- Slightly lower hitpoints, lower base attack bonus, weaker non-divination spells unless you spend a feat. Stay out of melee.
It's the build to pick if you want to be Varys with magic. It has a bonus to divination, but it doesn't lock you into it. In combat, you'd probably stay in the back and lob fireballs, or sneak/teleport into the enemy general's tent the night before and slit his throat.
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I'm kind of surprised none is taking flaws for extra feats. For isnstance Unseen Seer could benefit from Noncombatant since that is a build that should never be in melee to begin with.
Driven by Apathy
Formerly known as Brain_Caster
Yes, he can.
They're not actually all that heavy, you know. Not even in D&D.
Though if you decide to give us a longsword (note: Not actually a longsword, that would be what D&D calls a greatsword) or bastard sword (do those exist in D&D? Well, whatever, it's basically a small greatsword that could be used with two hands if you're little or one if you're large) and have Viserys use it as a greatsword, I'd not consider that unreasonable.
In any case, I'm going to read the update now.
EDIT/ I see someone else already made the same point, and you replied that its the size, not the weigth, that's the problem. Fair point.
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WanderingEye
smol skeleton
[X] Unseen Seer
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[X] Unseen Seer
PKRudeboy
Gentleman Snarker
I considered it, but Unseen Seer isn't that feat heavy to begin with, and I tend to prefer well rounded characters, especially since we don't have a party to fall back on. Plus, most of the feats I want either can't be taken yet or won't have an effect yet, like practiced spellcaster, still or silent spell, reserve feats and leadership. If people want me to change it, I will.
Driven by Apathy
Formerly known as Brain_Caster
You're not wrong, but looking at this, it still feels like you're underselling the Swiftblade. It's not a knight mascerading as a sorcerer. There's plenty we would do with magic, even if our primary method of attack would be to cut things.
Oh. Pardon me. I meant cut things while invisible, moving in bullet time, having skin made of stone, wielding a magic sword we've made ouselves, and at higher levels, having teleported right into our enemy's bedchamber. It's not like Swiftblade is incapable of using divination spells. Also, I'm pretty sure we'll be able to outrun cavalry.
I won't pretend the Unseen Seer doesn't have advantages either, of course. But I do dislike the part where we loose almost as many caster levels for everything but divination spells as the swiftblade does. That just seems counterproductive for a character who'll have to rely on magic for offense.
Hm... what's your opinion about Able Learner for the Swiftblade? We could take that in place of Mobility, and take the latter at level 3... eh. Probably not worth it.
As an aside, I find it encouraging that we seem to fully agree on the benefits of Disguise Self and Charm Person.
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Unseen Seer sounds better for politics. And I don't believe we can totally avoid that. Knowledge is power and all that.
Driven by Apathy
Formerly known as Brain_Caster
As I said, the Swiftblade is still a sorcerer and perfectly capable of using divination spells. Though I won't deny that the Unseen Seer would have an advantage in a sorcerer vs sorcerer infowar battle.
Then again, the Unseen Seer would also be in deep, deep shit if the Swiftblade ever locates him. And I wouldn't count on some NPC guards doing much to slow the latter down.
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Considering the nature of the setting you guys might want to select this feat:
Draconic Vigor
You gain some of the vitality of your draconic ancestry when casting spells.
Prerequisite: Draconic Heritage, sorcerer level 1st.
Benefit: Whenever you cast an arcane spell, you heal a number of points of damage equal to the spell's level.
Healing in ASOIAF is people with bread mold and boiled wine, if you are lucky.
Draconic Vigor
You gain some of the vitality of your draconic ancestry when casting spells.
Prerequisite: Draconic Heritage, sorcerer level 1st.
Benefit: Whenever you cast an arcane spell, you heal a number of points of damage equal to the spell's level.
Healing in ASOIAF is people with bread mold and boiled wine, if you are lucky.
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Driven by Apathy
Formerly known as Brain_Caster
I was thinking about leeching the life right out of our enemies with spells like Vampiric Touch, before thanking the corpses for their assistance in ensuring our continued good health. A Swiftblade being actually good at melee and hitting things would definitely make the use of touch-range spells much more practical.
Though, yeah, a few draconic feat might not go amiss. That's the primary reason I went with the Greatsword Proficiency - it means we won't have to spend any more feats on our martial abilites.
No easily accessible healing potions here, eh? That should certainly make things interesting.
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Can we use third party feats?
I'm thinking of Eclipse: the Codex Persona, a pt. buy character generator that can also be used to whip up custom feats pretty easily.
In particular, I think witchcraft would be useful. Witchcraft is a selection of minor but subtle and flexible abilities meant to give characters cool things to do at low to mid levels. They peak at level 10 or so and then trail off in usefulness afterwards. Still, up until then they're pretty awesome (minor telekinesis, telepathy, pyrokinesis, biokinesis, moving attribute points around, shapeshifting etc.), and by level 10 our magic has started to take off.
Also, for the swift blade build, we could occult skill into some martial arts to help our stabby abilities. Martial arts are special skills that give you bonuses when you use particular weapons (for instance, when wielding a greatsword, you might get bonuses to hit or damage, or damage reduction and AC, depending on how you described the style). Higher levels of the skill allow you to do more blatantly supernatural things, like focusing melee strikes into ranged attacks.
Or we could just focus on our sorcerer casting with spell paths to expand our repertoire (hedge magic is a must for any sorcerer), rite of chi to help us regain spell levels with 5 minutes rest x times a day, Ritual Magic to help broaden our horizons and get us access to more powerful spells more quickly, or just buy up some metamagic theorems to make the spells we have freakishly flexible.
... Yeah, I really like the book. So is third party a thing?
That is still a third level spell and requires an enemy to leech life off of as opposed to basically free healing in the long term from draconic vigor.
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A sorcerer should always prestige into a fullcasting PRC
Here are the class features sorcerers get
Level 1: Summon Familiar
Level 2-20: nothing
That is utter crap. Even wizard which has pretty anemic base class still gets
But a sorcerer gets literally nothing for staying at the base class. As such sorcerers should always prestige class.
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PKRudeboy
Gentleman Snarker
Part of it is experience with it. I've played one before, and it's one of my favorite PrC's. It was a higher level campaign, and I realized how much Abjurant Champion and magic items saved my ass, and we can't rely on that here. On it's own, it's only moderately less squishy than a regular sorcerer, and I doubt we'll be getting an extended greater lumious armor and a retributive amulet here. Even with that, I remember times where if the cleric didn't heal me, I would've been dead, and we don't know if we'll have access to a friendly cleric. Don't get me wrong, it's a completely awesome prestige class, but it's fairly specialized, especially as a sorcerer, and I'm not sure if that's a great idea for a solo campaign.
And the Unseen seer caster level is completely solved with Practiced Spellcaster since it's a penalty, whereas Swiftblade doesn't get the spells known, spell per day, and higher level spells even if they take the feat, in an already feat heavy build.
Able Learner is a great feat in general, but Swiftblade is going to need Power Attack, Improved Toughness, and probably Cleave, Great Cleave, and some item creation feats. I'm not sure it can afford it. Combat Expertise and Whirlwind Attack are also good picks.
On case by case basis if it makes sense thematically.