One thing you should always keep in mind while building your character is your ultimate goal.

Do you want to depose and replace Robert? Rebuild the Valyrian Freehold? Bring the dragons back into the world where generations of Targaeryans have failed? Found your own mercenary company or take over one? Build a magic academy? Attain eternal life?

Short term goals also matter. How will you live in Braavos? Do you even what to stay here so close to Robert and his potential assassins?

This will mater especially when you get to spell selection but feats will also play a large role.
 
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One thing you should always keep in mind while building your character is your ultimate goal.
Alright. Let me present the Viserys I want to roleplay in this quest. Maybe he'll start out that way. Maybe he'll become this person through character development.


Viserys wants two things: Firstly, freedom through arcane power. Secondly, entertainment.

Firstly, he is always searching for more arcane power. Not out of lust for the power itself, no - by now he could not care less about commanding others. Years of being the "beggar king" have taught him the pointlessness of status and prestige. He just doesn't care any longer for crowns and thrones. At some point in the recent past he finally accepted that House Targaryen had fallen through its own folly, and with that came the realization that the throne he had been trying to regain really meant nothing to him. He abandoned the mad quest for his ancestor's lost kingdom, and in doing so Viserys found that what he truly desired was freedom - and the power to ensure he would always remain free, no matter what the world may throw at him. And with that discovery came magic.

Let others play the Game of Thrones - Viserys knows where true power lies.

True power lies in conjuring food and shelter from thin air, never having to go hungry again, never having to see his family go hungry again.
True power lies in becoming someone else with but a word, and letting the clueless world think the last Targaryen missing, while Viserys lives his life however he damn well pleases.
True power lies in being able to laugh into the cheesemonger's face when he tries to flatter and manipulate you with transparent lies, for there is nothing he can offer you that you need.
And last, but certainly not least, true power lies in being able to do a casual "Scry & Fry" on that fat stag on the pointy throne, should the idiot ever get the idea to send assassins after you.

In short: True power, and with it, freedom, lies in magic. That's why Viserys is always searching for more of it.


Secondly, Viserys remembers. He remembers being the beggar king. He remembers living in constant fear. He remembers abject poverty and ridicule in spite of being royalty, and supposedly owed respect and comfort. He remembers every last indignity the world has inflicted upon him throughout his short life. And he has come to understand that this is simply the nature of the world he lifes in. He understands that life is a tragedy, and man is meant to suffer.

Screw that.

No more. Viserys means to have his revenge on this cruel, worthless world. Not by dedicating himself to some grand act of vengeance upon his mortal enemies, oh no - that would only mean adding to all the pointless drama, playing right into the hands of uncaring fate. Instead, by utterly and completely disregarding the way things are supposed to be. Honor? Glory? Being the grandest, greatest king in the Game of Thrones? Bah! Rubbish, all of it!

Viserys is not a player. He wants to be the guy who walks by and flips the board for his own amusement, then laughs at the players crawling all over the floor to collect their pieces and save their precarious position. Robert, Tywin, Braavos, Volantis, Starks, Tullys, septon or slaver. Doesn't matter. Viserys wants to mess with all those assholes equally. He comes, he goes, and nothing is the way it used to be.


In short, I want Viserys to attain ultimate arcane power. And use it to troll everyone.


(Yes, I am aware that this is essentially Viserys-in-name-only. That's intended, canon-Viserys is a fool, and also boring.)
 
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Alright. Let me present the Viserys I want to roleplay in this quest. Maybe he'll start out that way. Maybe he'll become this person through character development.


Viserys wants two things: Firstly, freedom through arcane power. Secondly, entertainment.

Firstly, he is always searching for more arcane power. Not out of lust for the power itself, no - by now he could not care less about commanding others. Years of being the "beggar king" have taught him the pointlessness of status and prestige. He just doesn't care any longer for crowns and thrones. At some point in the recent past he finally accepted that House Targaryen had fallen through its own folly, and with that came the realization that the throne he had been trying to regain really meant nothing to him. He abandoned the mad quest for his ancestor's lost kingdom, and in doing so Viserys found that what he truly desired was freedom - and the power to ensure he would always remain free, no matter what the world may throw at him. And with that discovery came magic.

Let others play the Game of Thrones - Viserys knows where true power lies.

True power lies in conjuring food and shelter from thin air, never having to go hungry again, never having to see his family go hungry again.
True power lies in becoming someone else with but a word, and letting the clueless world think the last Targaryen missing, while Viserys lives his life however he damn well pleases.
True power lies in being able to laugh into the cheesemonger's face when he tries to flatter and manipulate you with transparent lies, for there is nothing he can offer you that you need.
And last, but certainly not least, true power lies in being able to do a casual "Scry & Fry" on that fat stag on the pointy throne, should the idiot ever get the idea to send assassins after you.

In short: True power, and with it, freedom, lies in magic. That's why Viserys is always searching for more of it.


Secondly, Viserys remembers. He remembers being the beggar king. He remembers living in constant fear. He remembers abject poverty and ridicule in spite of being royalty, and supposedly owed respect and comfort. He remembers every last indignity the world has inflicted upon him throughout his short life. And he has come to understand that this is simply the nature of the world he lifes in. He understands that life is a tragedy, and man is meant to suffer.

Screw that.

No more. Viserys means to have his revenge on this cruel, worthless world. Not by dedicating himself to some grand act of vengeance upon his mortal enemies, oh no - that would only mean adding to all the pointless drama, playing right into the hands of uncaring fate. Instead, by utterly and completely disregarding the way things are supposed to be. Honor? Glory? Being the grandest, greatest king in the Game of Thrones? Bah! Rubbish, all of it!

Viserys is not a player. He wants to be the guy who walks by and flips the board for his own amusement, then laughs at the players crawling all over the floor to collect their pieces and safe their precious position. Robert, Tywin, Braavos, Volantis, Starks, Tullys, septon or slaver. Doesn't matter. Viserys wants to mess with all those assholes equally. He comes, he goes, and nothing is the way it used to be.


In short, I want Viserys to attain ultimate arcane power. And use it to troll everyone.


(Yes, I am aware that this is essentially Viserys-in-name-only.)

This is going to be pretty hard to justify in its entirety at least. He is a sorcerer, an innate spell-caster, the legacy of House Targaryen is where his magic comes from to begin with. Abandoning the other aspect of that legacy, political power when it has given him magic is going to be a contract-intuitive conclusion.
 
Hmm. I'm in favor of Viserys becoming an adventurer instead of getting mired in politics. It being more fun for us aside, I think he'd be the happiest without obsessing over the crown.
 
Hmm. I'm in favor of Viserys becoming an adventurer instead of getting mired in politics. It being more fun for us aside, I think he'd be the happiest without obsessing over the crown.

You know, I look at the character selection lists, with Arya the druid (the tank), Gendry the favored soul (the healer), and Viserys the Sorcerer (VAST COSMIC POWER), and I can't help but think that we're a good rogue away from a great adventuring party...........
 
Something we might want to keep in mind is the perception of magic and steel in ASoIaF. Magic is feared by everyone because magical effects in the history of the world have been things like the Doom, the Long Night, the Stark blizzard. Casual D&D style cantrips and parlor tricks are the realm of charlatans and those clinging to scraps of what they once had. Even the 'small' effects in ASoIaF are fourth or higher level spells in D&D (warging, shadow assassins, 'accurate' fortune telling, curses). Magic is a sword without a hilt because no one understands it, everyone fears it, and its actual practitioners are universally people like Maggy the Frog and the Lamb-people maegi (until Melisandre gains Stannis' patronage). Respectable people work through strength of arms or politics. Cowards work through poison and magic. Viserys will want to control his reputation. If you really want him to work against being the Beggar King (who he isn't, yet), then he has to be someone else that people will take seriously.
 
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Personally, I'm hoping for a mix of politics and adventure. Move to Volantis, hopefully find an heiress from a rich family that will marry us for the prestige of our being the last descendant of the last Dragonlord family, explore Valyrian ruins for lost magic, and possibly bring back dragons and reform the Freehold of Valyria.
 
This is going to be pretty hard to justify in its entirety at least. He is a sorcerer, an innate spell-caster, the legacy of House Targaryen is where his magic comes from to begin with. Abandoning the other aspect of that legacy, political power when it has given him magic is going to be a contract-intuitive conclusion.
I'd argue the opposite is the case. It's extremely easy to justify.

Keep in mind that House Targaryen is originally a family of Valyrian sorcerers and dragonlords. Not Westerosi kings.

None of that innate power was gained by kingship over the Seven Kingdoms. Absolutely none. In fact, most of that power was lost while the Targaryens were kings. Nearly all Targaryen magical know-how and dragonlore - gone! The dragons died while the Targaryens were kings! What's more, they died in large part because of the Targaryen civil war during the Dance of Dragons. It was an intra-house struggle for political power which cost the Targaryens that which really made them powerful.

You could make a very decent argument that becoming kings was what ultimately ruined the Targaryens. You could furthermore expand that argument to the Valyrian Freehold, and postulate that their insistence on becoming a slave-keeping hegemonic empire instead of the freehold they were meant to be is what led to constant civil strife and eventually the Doom.

The magic came first. Political power came later, when the greed of men led them to use their magic to attain such - and then disaster followed.


I won't deny that you could just as well take a completely different viewpoint, and still make a coherent argument. But I do believe the above is an absolutely valid and sensible way of looking at things.
 
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I'd argue the opposite is the case. It's extremely easy to justify.

Keep in mind that House Targaryen is originally a family of Valyrian sorcerers and dragonlords. Not Westerosi kings.

None of that innate power was gained by kingship over the Seven Kingdoms. Absolutely none. In fact, most of that power was lost while the Targaryens were kings. Nearly all Targaryen magical know-how and dragonlore - gone! The dragons died while the Targaryens were kings! What's more, they died in large part because of the Targaryen civil war during the Dance of Dragons. It was an intra-house struggle for political power which cost the Targaryens that which really made them powerful.

You could make a very decent argument that becoming kings was what ultimately ruined the Targaryens. You could furthermore expand that argument to the Valyrian Freehold, and postulate that their insistence on becoming a slave-keeping hegemonic empire instead of the freehold they were meant to be is what led to constant civil strife and eventually the Doom.

The magic came first. Political power came later, when the greed of men led them to use their magic to attain such - and then disaster followed.


I won't deny that you could just as well take a completely different viewpoint, and still make a coherent argument. But I do believe the above is an absolutely valid and sensible way of looking at things.

You make an interesting point. It is ultimately up to the voters what Viserys becomes...
 
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Personally, I'm hoping for a mix of politics and adventure.
Well, Viserys might not want to be king, but he does have a little sister. A very stubborn little sister, who is most definitely going to involve herself in politics, and sooner or later will probably get herself killed trying to win that horribly uncomfortable and very, very dangerous chair.

Naturally, as her big brother Viserys can't let that happen. So he'll just have to help.
 
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Well, Viserys might not want to be king, but he does have a little sister. A very stubborn little sister, who sooner or later will probably get herself killed trying to win that horribly uncomfortable and very, very dangerous throne.

Naturally, as her big brother Viserys can't let that happen.
Daenerys only becomes stubborn and fixated on the Iron Throne after her marriage. Before it, she thought Viserys was way too obsessed with trying to win it back. I've got a feeling we're going to avoid that here.
 
Daenerys only becomes stubborn and fixated on the Iron Throne after her marriage. Before it, she thought Viserys was way too obsessed with trying to win it back. I've got a feeling we're going to avoid that here.
True, but the only thing she needs is the impetus. In canon, that was marriage to Drogo and the first taste of political power that came with it. Then her inherent Daenerys-ness did the rest. ;)

Ultimately it depends on the GM if he has Daenerys go down that path without Viserys actively pushing her. And if our Viserys has a different outlook than canon Viserys, why not Daenerys too? It would definitely make for an interesting story.
 
Since the vote is unanimous I'll close it now.

Character sheet updated

Next vote: Feats and Flaws:

[] Write-in

I will give Draconic Heritage (Red) for free because of story reasons. This gives:

You gain a bonus on saving throws against magic sleep and paralysis effects, as well as on saves against spells and abilities with the Fire descriptor. This bonus equals the number of draconic feats you have. You also gain the intimidate as as a sorcerer class skill.

Examples of feats

Examples of flaws

You receive one normal feat at first level and one more for being human.

You may select up to two flaws and can then take another feat for every flaw selected.
 
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@DragonParadox Would Unseen Seer, a slightly modified (because I doubt the standard languages exist on Planetos) Dracolexi, or a Binder multiclass leading into Anima Mage be acceptable PrC's? Also, is the Draconic Bloodline feat from Dragon Magazine Compendium allowed, or does the Draconic Heritage feat replace it.
 
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@DragonParadox Would Unseen Seer, a slightly modified (because I doubt the standard languages exist on Planetos) Dracolexi, or a Binder multiclass leading into Anima Mage be acceptable PrC's? Also, is the Draconic Bloodline feat from Dragon Magazine Compendium allowed, or does the Draconic Heritage feat replace it.

Seer Unseen: Maybe how do you feel about taking a lot of information gathering quests and such?
Dracolexi: The way I have the world-building you would have to be insanely lucky to get the requisite knowledge
Binder: Maybe if you poke around Ashai
Draconic bloodline: don't have the Dragon Magazine Compendium

Question: Are material components a concern for our sorcerer, or not?

Expensive ones are. However I will not have you collect bat guano to make fireballs. That would be an exercise in frustration.
 
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