Encourage it, Azel. This is a good thing for us. They're giving us young Valyrian nobles who we can indoctrinate.
This is just one of those moments where I have trouble to overcome my utter revulsion for the people we have to interact with there.

I mean...

Look at the bedroom! And the arcane art of getting some pants on the Archon!
I... just...

I miss Zherys.
 
This is just one of those moments where I have trouble to overcome my utter revulsion for the people we have to interact with there.

I mean...

Look at the bedroom! And the arcane art of getting some pants on the Archon!
I... just...

See this shit is why some not all were advocating for a complete cleansing of the nobility... hell thats still on the table just saying
 
Vote count.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on May 14, 2018 at 3:55 PM, finished with 189427 posts and 11 votes.

  • [X] [Therys] Confiscate the estate of the ruling family and place an administrator in charge.
    [X] [Recruitment] A bit of everything:
    -[X] Let Malarys pick a few from SD to act as trainers. Who and how many is entirely up to his judgement.
    -[X] Take in some of the grunts from the former city-guard. The officers are too likely connected to magisters to be trustworthy.
    -[X] Take some of the former Fiery Hand and Trios Guards.
    -[X] Bolster the numbers by formally letting the Legion take over the Lawmen duties until further notice. Make sure that trustworthy Legion officers are in charge of the eclectic bunch.
    -[X] Offer employment to all the sell-swords in the city. Steady pay and a more or less calm job in the Lawmen or steady pay and a more exiting future in the Legion. Make no special offer to tempt them, since the Legions performance should speak for itself.
    -[X] Do not deploy the new guys independently. They will be used to fill up Legion dominated patrols and will be focused on getting proper training.
    [X] [Other Cleanup] Various Bits And Pieces:
    -[X] Check in with Salladhor about the state of the harbor. Resuming trade, capturing errand Tyroshi ships and dividing the captured vessels to put them to productive use has priority.
    -[X] Walk the city incognito to hear the word on the streets. Also pass by the former slave market, just to make sure that 'former' bit is accurate.
    -[X] Let the Legion gather up all the slave collars that are no longer needed. That iron will make fine swords and armor for future Legionaries.
    -[X] Have Rohar Dominated and let him dictate all he knows to a Dragonpen. Also have his dagger encased in lead until you will sacrifice it, just to discourage anyone from trying to use it.
    [X] [Therys] Confiscate the estate of the ruling family and place an administrator in charge.
    [X] [Recruitment] A bit of everything:
    -[X] Let Malarys pick a few from SD to act as trainers. Who and how many is entirely up to his judgement.
    -[X] Take in some of the grunts from the former city-guard. The officers are too likely connected to magisters to be trustworthy.
    -[X] Take some of the former Fiery Hand and Trios Guards.
    -[X] Bolster the numbers by formally letting the Legion take over the Lawmen duties until further notice. Make sure that trustworthy Legion officers are in charge of the eclectic bunch.
    -[X] Offer employment to all the sell-swords in the city. Steady pay and a more or less calm job in the Lawmen or steady pay and a more exiting future in the Legion. Make no special offer to tempt them, since the Legions performance should speak for itself.
    [X] [Other Cleanup] Various Bits And Pieces:
    -[X] Check in with Salladhor about the state of the harbor. Resuming trade, capturing errand Tyroshi ships and dividing the captured vessels to put them to productive use has priority.
    -[X] Walk the city incognito to hear the word on the streets. Also pass by the former slave market, just to make sure that 'former' bit is accurate.
    -[X] Let the Legion gather up all the slave collars that are no longer needed. That iron will make fine swords and armor for future Legionaries.
    [x] Confiscate the estates of all local families, place an administrator in charge
 
Encourage it, Azel. This is a good thing for us. They're giving us young Valyrian nobles who we can indoctrinate.

Except Valaena was an unusual circumstance. Normally, girls wont be released out of their parents care into ours on the off chance that they might snag our hand in marriage. Unlike Valaena, they'll just remain cloistered and useless expect when their parents trot them out at social events and have the poor girls awkwardly try to catch our attention.

Mommy recently reminded us that we could marry her.

No.
 
This is just one of those moments where I have trouble to overcome my utter revulsion for the people we have to interact with there.

I mean...

Look at the bedroom! And the arcane art of getting some pants on the Archon!
I... just...

I miss Zherys.
Well, you get to make the Inquisition. Quite a few nobles will fall victim to it in the near future.
 
Marrying her before taking Westeros also draws unfortunate parallels to the Prince of Dragonlies and a certain disaster known as Jenny of Oldstones, and would thus net us fewer houses when we invade, since its a moderate (but not lethal) modifier.

Due to the sheer quantity of Houses and keeps in Westeros, I'm expecting DP to handle the 'rebelling' houses during the Civil War in bulk, possibly by Region. No way he simulates each and every one of the bazillion houses strewn around the Reach, Riverlands, Crownlands, etc etc etc etc, beyond houses we have personally diplomanced or those who are canonically important or otherwise noteworthy in one way or another (like the Darry's or Florents).

So for example, generic Crownland Houses which we haven't diplomanced and have also not been courted by the Lannisters could have something like this, where DP tosses a d100 and if they get more than 70 declare for us, less than 30 for the Lannisters, and in between the old classic of 'What Civil War? I haven't received any ravens..."

Modifiers for House Generic of Generic Crownland Place:

Historical ties to Targs: +30
Rumors of blood sacrifice: -10
Mistreated by Lannisters/Baratheon regime: +15
She married a smallfolk?! *Jenny of Oldstones collective PTSD activated*: -12

Just spitballing here to get my point across. Thing is, something like a new Jenny of Oldstones is, unlike blood sorcery, something Westerosi lords can imediately grasp and comprehend, and won't be too fond off. Not a deal breaker, but not something too minor, hence -12, though it could vary from -5 to -20 depending on how DP is playing Westerosi sensibilities. The thing I'm trying to explain here is that marrying her before the invasion may (will, statistically) tip some houses on siding against us.

Now, I'm also operating under the assumption that we want to minimize bloodshed in Westeros, but if the intent is the opposite (how much nobility do we need to trim so the class as a whole is weak enough to only put up token resistance to the magitech revolution? How many empty keeps to we need/want?) then marrying her before the invasion is a good move.

Edit: Example of my (long winded) point:

House Tollet of Grey Glenn (The Vale):

-Lord Paramount stands against him: -30
-Friend (Lord Royce) declared for him: +10
-Married to smallfolk: -12.

DP Rolled: 60

Final count: 28

So, House Tollet is now actively fighting us instead of twiddling their thumbs and 'forgetting' there's a war going on.
 
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Marrying her before taking Westeros also draws unfortunate parallels to the Prince of Dragonlies and a certain disaster known as Jenny of Oldstones, and would thus net us fewer houses when we invade, since its a moderate (but not lethal) modifier.

Due to the sheer quantity of Houses and keeps in Westeros, I'm expecting DP to handle the 'rebelling' houses during the Civil War in bulk, possibly by Region. No way he simulates each and every one of the bazillion houses strewn around the Reach, Riverlands, Crownlands, etc etc etc etc, beyond houses we have personally diplomanced or those who are canonically important or otherwise noteworthy in one way or another (like the Darry's or Florents).

So for example, generic Crownland Houses which we haven't diplomanced and have also not been courted by the Lannisters could have something like this, where DP tosses a d100 and if they get more than 70 declare for us, less than 30 for the Lannisters, and in between the old classic of 'What Civil War? I haven't received any ravens..."

Modifiers for House Generic of Generic Crownland Place:

Historical ties to Targs: +30
Rumors of blood sacrifice: -10
Mistreated by Lannisters/Baratheon regime: +15
She married a smallfolk?! *Jenny of Oldstones collective PTSD activated*: -12

Just spitballing here to get my point across. Thing is, something like a new Jenny of Oldstones is, unlike blood sorcery, something Westerosi lords can imediately grasp and comprehend, and won't be too fond off. Not a deal breaker, but not something too minor, hence -12, though it could vary from -5 to -20 depending on how DP is playing Westerosi sensibilities. The thing I'm trying to explain here is that marrying her before the invasion may (will, statistically) tip some houses on siding against us.

Now, I'm also operating under the assumption that we want to minimize bloodshed in Westeros, but if the intent is the opposite (how much nobility do we need to trim so the class as a whole is weak enough to only put up token resistance to the magitech revolution? How many empty keeps to we need/want?) then marrying her is a good move.
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You know what, this has convinced me to have Viserys marry Lya well before we take Westeros in hopes that more houses will stand against us. I want keeps and land to redistribute. If they're honestly dumb enough not to realize that powerful mage =/= random smallfolk, they deserve it.
 
Well, you get to make the Inquisition. Quite a few nobles will fall victim to it in the near future.
...Okay, now I have a mental image of every female inquisitor secretly being a yandere to Viserys.
And eliminating every wannabe wife that sets an eye on him, for any of a multitude of reasons inquisitors can.
 
This is just one of those moments where I have trouble to overcome my utter revulsion for the people we have to interact with there.

I mean...

Look at the bedroom! And the arcane art of getting some pants on the Archon!
I... just...

I miss Zherys.
We must persevere... Though I'll note the whole ritual behind dressing and undressing the Archon might be some sort of protection against assassins. The servants are explicitly not slaves, they all know and compete with each other, and if someone does their part of the arcane procedure wrong, they are obviously a Faceless Man.
 
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You know what, this has convinced me to have Viserys marry Lya well before we take Westeros in hopes that more houses will stand against us. I want keeps and land to redistribute. If they're honestly dumb enough not to realize that powerful mage =/= random smallfolk, they deserve it.

Thing is, if we assume DP works under my model or something similar, its not that they will be dumb enough to realize she's not just a random smallfolk. It'll be something like Lord X debating with himself as his pen drifts in agony over the paper, weighting the cons and pros of declaring for Viserys, almost saying aye... and then his gut finally convincing him not to. The Jenny angle won't be a deciding factor, at least for the vast majority of houses which fight against us, but will have tipped them towards resisting us.

Then again, if we want more dead nobles lets do it, I suppose.
 
Thing is, if we assume DP works under my model or something similar, its not that they will be dumb enough to realize she's not just a random smallfolk. It'll be something like Lord X debating with himself as his pen drifts in agony over the paper, weighting the cons and pros of declaring for Viserys, almost saying aye... and then his gut finally convincing him not to. The Jenny angle won't be a deciding factor, at least for the vast majority of houses which fight against us, but will have tipped them towards resisting us.

Then again, if we want more dead nobles lets do it, I suppose.
Excellent.

The more of the nobility we can execute and loot the better.
 
Thing is, if we assume DP works under my model or something similar, its not that they will be dumb enough to realize she's not just a random smallfolk. It'll be something like Lord X debating with himself as his pen drifts in agony over the paper, weighting the cons and pros of declaring for Viserys, almost saying aye... and then his gut finally convincing him not to. The Jenny angle won't be a deciding factor, at least for the vast majority of houses which fight against us, but will have tipped them towards resisting us.

Then again, if we want more dead nobles lets do it, I suppose.

Also to point out, but under our laws and in our court, Lya isn't a commoner. She is a mage of sufficient power that we count her equal to a Lord Paramount. It's clear line in the sand of "will you bend to the way winds are blowing about magic, or will you cling to the old regime?" for people who decide to back us or not, that will help remove the too disruptive elements who constitutionally cannot adapt to our rule.
 
Well, you get to make the Inquisition. Quite a few nobles will fall victim to it in the near future.
Point. I will savor the look on their faces when they are arrested in the middle of the night.

Thing is, if we assume DP works under my model or something similar, its not that they will be dumb enough to realize she's not just a random smallfolk. It'll be something like Lord X debating with himself as his pen drifts in agony over the paper, weighting the cons and pros of declaring for Viserys, almost saying aye... and then his gut finally convincing him not to. The Jenny angle won't be a deciding factor, at least for the vast majority of houses which fight against us, but will have tipped them towards resisting us.

Then again, if we want more dead nobles lets do it, I suppose.
I'm with @Duesal on this. Anyone who thinks we did something hideously wrong by marrying a woman who can shape reality, bodies and souls as if everything was just putty to her is someone we won't need in the New World Order.

The only reason we have to tolerate this shit in Tyrosh is that we are critically short on bureaucrats.
 
Point. I will savor the look on their faces when they are arrested in the middle of the night.


I'm with @Duesal on this. Anyone who thinks we did something hideously wrong by marrying a woman who can shape reality, bodies and souls as if everything was just putty to her is someone we won't need in the New World Order.

The only reason we have to tolerate this shit in Tyrosh is that we are critically short on bureaucrats.

And won't we be short of Bureos in Westeros as well? Keeps are admin hubs for most of the continent.
 
And won't we be short of Bureos in Westeros as well? Keeps are admin hubs for most of the continent.
Not at all. By the time we take Westeros, at minimum we will have taken the Three Daughters and trained enough administrators and legionnaires to hold all of them. Training more administrators for Westeros will be far easier since we'll have a much larger pool to draw off of.

That, and we can hire Braavosi administrators.
 
Except Valaena was an unusual circumstance. Normally, girls wont be released out of their parents care into ours on the off chance that they might snag our hand in marriage. Unlike Valaena, they'll just remain cloistered and useless expect when their parents trot them out at social events and have the poor girls awkwardly try to catch our attention.

mmh... sounds like a job for Maelor.


Regarding kids, of course! Traditionally, they are going to grow up on a sheep farm somewhere, with mysterious birthmarks (mindblank tattoo) and living with some nice grandparents. There is also a mysterious retired soldier(Ser Richard) that teaches them stuff and always bails them out of trouble. Until some day a Balor attacks and Ser Richard kills it but is heavily wounded and as a last request tells them to go to sorcerers deep but infuriatingly dies before really revealing anything.
We're doing this exactly as is tradition!

But more seriously I consider children the kind of complication I want to have/read/argue about, rather than a 40 fights that end with things turning into turtles.


Regarding the private marriage location, how about Sigil? We marry our center of the universe in the center of the universe.
..but I am not opposed to a less "heart pounding" location.
 
This 'bah anyone stupid enough to dismiss our mage wife deserves to die because they are clearly incomopetents' argument is stupid because every lord in Westeros should have said -12 modifier, it comes with the culture. It wont matter to some such as Lord Royce with their 'Was diplmanced by Viserys +100 modifier', but to others it may tip them to not siding with us. Again, if you just want more dead nobles, then I can understand the reasoning, but dont think we will be cleaning the Westerosi gene pool off idiots with this. One or two uber conservative houses we would have killed off anyway? Yeah I can see that, but not more.
 
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This 'bah anyone stupid enough to dismiss our mage wife deserves to die because they are clearly incomopetents' argument is stupid because every lord in Westeros should have said -12 modifier, it comes with the culture. It wont matter to some such as Lord Royce with their 'Was diplmanced by Viserys +100 modifier', but to others it may tip them to not siding with us. Again, if you just want more dead nobles, then I can understand the reasoning, but dont think we will be cleaning the Westerosi gene pool off idiots with this. One or two uber conservative houses we would have killed off anyway? Yeah I can see that, but not more.
You're misunderstanding.

What I want is for as many people to fight against us as possible, then we can crush them in war and impose whatever penalties we please on them. This isn't genocide, this is standard conquest. It's just more convenient when there are more people to crush. We can give that land to loyal lords.
 
You're misunderstanding.

What I want is for as many people to fight against us as possible, then we can crush them in war and impose whatever penalties we please on them. This isn't genocide, this is standard conquest. It's just more convenient when there are more people to crush. We can give that land to loyal lords.
That last part's more of a 'hopefully' anyways. And if not then we're going to need lots of bureaucrats in a hurry.

Better get start with some big bureaucrat schools ASAP.
 
This 'bah anyone stupid enough to dismiss our mage wife deserves to die because they are clearly incomopetents' argument is stupid because every lord in Westeros should have said -12 modifier, it comes with the culture. It wont matter to some such as Lord Royce with their 'Was diplmanced by Viserys +100 modifier', but to others it may tip them to not siding with us. Again, if you just want more dead nobles, then I can understand the reasoning, but dont think we will be cleaning the Westerosi gene pool off idiots with this. One or two uber conservative houses we would have killed off anyway? Yeah I can see that, but not more.
But in the end, it boils down to exactly that. The world is changing. Extremely so. And we and our court are right in the center of that change.

If Lyas heritage is the deciding factor for someone to declare for or against us, then I see someone who is too caught up in the way things used to be. The old guard. A adherent to a natural order that is laughable in the face of changing circumstances and which we are most certainly planning to eradicate.

I do not begrudge anyone his right to grumble about this, but if you are too stubborn to adapt to the new order, then you will share the fate of the old one. Simple as that.

And let's face it, even Stannis "Stubborn" Baratheon is seeing the writing on the wall.
 
You're misunderstanding.

What I want is for as many people to fight against us as possible, then we can crush them in war and impose whatever penalties we please on them. This isn't genocide, this is standard conquest. It's just more convenient when there are more people to crush. We can give that land to loyal lords.
I suspect that a significant number of houses will more or less be run by devils. They seem to be rather active in Westeros, and there's that prophecy "devils everywhere" from that half-earth-genasi? kid we sent to the Archons.

edit: I just realized, we already have kids! The psionic changeling mind babies we made! I demand screentime!
 
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