I'd guess mostly the latter. I mean, owners can totally buy armor if they want, but it's sold separately. If they turn out to be cheapskates they have to buy more Unsullied later instead, so Astapor wins either way.

They might also sell a deluxe package that comes with armor and overcharge you for it.
But unsullied are mass produced, and likely not trained in the use of armor, maybe giving them armor voids the warranty?
Damn, they probably Also have planned obsolescence, how long are the unsullied fit for duty before they have to be replaced?
Braavos stand aside, Astapor is possitively modern in its capitalism, im actually impressed.
 
But unsullied are mass produced, and likely not trained in the use of armor, maybe giving them armor voids the warranty?
Damn, they probably Also have planned obsolescence, how long are the unsullied fit for duty before they have to be replaced?
Braavos stand aside, Astapor is possitively modern in its capitalism, im actually impressed.
They come out with a new version of Unsullied every year and all the magisters form long lines outside the stores on day one to get the new Iphone Unsullied X.

[X] Duesal
 
Richard's armour was mildly possessed by a benign ghost, and was only evil in the sense the VS takes blood to make, so there were probably a few sacrifices involved in enchanting it.

This is angel bone literally corrupted by sin.
Uh no, RIchard's armor was forged with the magic of devils.
No idea if stolen or bartered for by the Valyrians but we clearly recognised Infernal influence and even that language on the armor.
Not just regular VS.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Duesal on May 2, 2018 at 12:51 PM, finished with 185701 posts and 12 votes.
 
I don't get why people are saying they should have a crappy class.

The people training them aren't dumb. And they've been doing this forever. I see no reason inhuman training for life wouldn't make you good at it.

That's why I suggested they might even be level 6, much like Rhaella, exceptional circumstances allow them to push the envelope of what's normal.
 
I don't get why people are saying they should have a crappy class.

The people training them aren't dumb. And they've been doing this forever. I see no reason inhuman training for life wouldn't make you good at it.

That's why I suggested they might even be level 6, much like Rhaella, exceptional circumstances allow them to push the envelope of what's normal.
It's unlikely because the Unsullied just aren't known for their individual skill.
I think the masters even admit that they are not that great in 1v1.
What they have as a big selling point is the discipline.
 
I don't get why people are saying they should have a crappy class.

The people training them aren't dumb. And they've been doing this forever. I see no reason inhuman training for life wouldn't make you good at it.

That's why I suggested they might even be level 6, much like Rhaella, exceptional circumstances allow them to push the envelope of what's normal.
Way I see it they can either have a normal class but low level because tons of their training (that's mostly repetitive and focuses on formation fighting and obedience) doesn't advance their class, giving special feats or skills instead. Or they can have a unique class that actually does level from that stuff, but that it's pretty crappy for 1v1 fighting.
 
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Blights Triumph
Carved from the immaculate bone of an angel, this long dagger was irrevocably tainted by profane rites. The once pure material is no cracked and fading with veins of virulent pus cris-crossing through it. Despite it's broken appearance, it carves through flesh and bone with ease, leaving only blackened tissue behind and spreading decay to any who touch it.

Effects:
- Enhancement Bonus +1
- Caustic Weapon - Deals 1d6 of acid damage on a successful hit and 1 HP of acid damage to any who touch the blade with their bare flesh.
- Wounding - Deals 1 point of Constitution Damage on a successful hit.
- Keen - Doubled crit range.
- Infectous - On a confirmed critical hit, the hit person is subject to the spell Greater Contagion (CL 15). The wielder can sacrifice up to 20 HP to add a bonus of +1 per 2 HP sacrificed to the Caster Level Check to overcome Spell Resistance

Dagger: 1d4 + 1 + 1d6 (Acid) 17-20/x2


@DragonParadox, okay?
@Duesal, this is what I had in mind.
KILL IT! KILL IT WITH FIRE! :mad:

That thing is a link to the Demon Lord it is used to communicate with. It must be destroyed. Fortuitously its just what is needed to grow another Weirwood tree for our allies. If used for our Celestial allies it also counts as releasing a dead brother to a well deserved rest. Gaining us greater favor with the Archons
 
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KILL IT! KILL IT WITH FIRE! :mad:

That thing is a link to the Demon Lord it is used to communicate with. It must be destroyed. Fortuitously its just what is needed to grow another Weirwood tree for our allies. If used for our Celestial allies it also counts as releasing a dead brother to a well deserved rest. Gaining us greater favor with the Archons
The Archons are capable of getting their own magic items to sacrifice. The Night's Watch on the other hand need to be weaned into it, and are still too weak to get their own sacrifices. A weirwood for Castle Black is long overdue.
 
Way I see it they can either have a normal class but low level because tons of their training (that's mostly repetitive and focuses on formation fighting and obedience) doesn't advance their class, giving special feats or skills instead. Or they can have a unique class that actually does level from that stuff, but that it's pretty crappy for 1v1 fighting.
Why?

Besides the nonsensical logic, the crunch would be nonsensical. You'd have to homebrew some utterly arbitrary and random stuff, there's no "crappy at 1x1 fighting" class. Yeah, maybe they have a bunch of teamwork feats, like Shield Wall, but that's regardless of class.

The fact is that being good at stabbing is usually universal.
 
Some reminders from the distant past:
I think we need HHD(Huge Half-Dragon) before we can match Ser Richard's badassery. Better yet, full on Draconic Ascension.
Ser Richard has killed: the Fey Drake, solo'd the Bright One, both of our Mindflayer encounters, solo'd the Cultist Champion, and the Listener.

He's basically our anti-boss weapon.
So? Can we take this boss alone (whatever he turns out to be), without Richard?
 
The fact is that being good at stabbing is usually universal.
It's not?

You don't put a Roman legionaire in 1v1 against any solo-fighter, because the former was mostly trained to stand in formation, hold his shield fast and make syncronised stabs with his comrades.
Not in fighting alone.

I don't think the training of a pure soldier can be applied fully to a warrior's fighting, or the other way around.
 
All you need for decent melee is Power Attack and good BAB, tho a two handed weapon also helps.

If they have that, then while they might be better at fighting in formation, they don't suck at fighting alone.

I just don't understand where nonsense like "they should have a low level class with tons of features or a high level class that sucks" comes from.
 
I'd prefer the Unsullied being stronger. Not only is the Legion still superior, it also means more XP for the magelings.
 
I just don't understand where nonsense like "they should have a low level class with tons of features or a high level class that sucks" comes from.
From trying to translate group-fighters that simply aren't known for their individual skill or strenght, but immensly efficient due to discipline and formation-fighting, into a system that isn't really build for that I guess.
 
[X] Clear the towers, force open the gates let the legions march on

The slavers will never surrender, they know what fate awaits them. Let's not give them time to inflict any last pointless atrocities - take the city and string them up from the walls.
 
From trying to translate group-fighters that simply aren't known for their individual skill or strenght, but immensly efficient due to discipline and formation-fighting, into a system that isn't really build for that I guess.
I have no idea where you get that information from. I'l not calling you a liar, but I somehow absolutely didn't get that information in canon. Did I miss something? Does Grey Worm secretly suck?
 
From trying to translate group-fighters that simply aren't known for their individual skill or strenght, but immensly efficient due to discipline and formation-fighting, into a system that isn't really build for that I guess.
Depends on the soldiers in question. Greek warriors were deadly both in phalanx and as individuals, both armed and unarmed. WhIle not as famed as the Greeks in hand to hand the Romans did adopt and train their soldiers in pankration. These are not the only examples in history.
 
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Part MCMLXXIII: Those Who Serve
Those Who Serve

Twenty-Seventh Day of the Second Month 293 AC

If there is one small mercy to the men perched upon the guard towers it is that they are not Unsullied. Well-armed, well-trained freemen guards you would guess. Arrows rattle harmlessly against your scales and Amrelath's bones, though he disdains descending to fight what he would likely count as mere irritants... The painful sting of a heavy arrowhead puncturing your left wing reminds you why it would be unwise for you to count them thus, for you are yet flesh, and a piece of sharpened steel in the wrong place can still make you bleed if only a trickle.

You take 5 damage

The archers nearest to where you land merely die, by fang claw and whipping tail, some even horribly crushed to death by your sheer bulk. You feel the sickening crunch in your bones. Distantly you realize that were this form to allow it you might be sick from the wanton slaughter you are working, but such thoughts quickly slide from your mind. You must be terror and you must be death, not from any love of either, but to end this as swiftly as can be.

Some of the men guarding the tower you landed upon hurl themselves from the battlements in sheer unthinking fear, others simply collapse, weeping, weapons falling from nerveless hands. Seeing you ignore those unfortunates, the remainder of the men atop the tower have the presence of mind to cast down their own weapons.

No sooner had you risen in the air again that the sounds of yet more voices raised in surrender reach you. Almost as many of the Tyroshi soldiers lived on the tower Amrelath had been attacking, though not through any mercy on his part, of that you are sure.

The companies of the legion do not march against arrow bolt, stone and boiling oil cast through murder holes but simply through gates hastily cast aside by the surrendering defenders. The gates are yours... and before you stretches the palace itself, a maze of chambers and corridors that had grown over the centuries with the ambition and fancy of every archon.

"There is no way we can keep all of them safe in there," Dany says softly as you land besides her.

"If they wanted to be safe they would not have gone to war," Ser Richard gruffly reassures her. "Even so, they have a hell of a lot better chance of making it out alive than most men storming a prepared position could hope to get. Healing in a bottle, arms as good as any knight's and weapons that cut better than Valyrian steel..." He shakes his head as though in disbelief. No, disbelieving in truth, for he alone among all of you had known war before magic swept over the land.

Lya lands a moment later, her face grave: "There's news from Moonsong's group and it's... not good."

"They've found something they can't fight?" you ask worriedly. Had you misjudged sending Rina into battle you wonder? For all her power she had never faced battle before, much less against such unrelenting horrors as lurked beneath Tyrosh.

"Yes, but not in the way you think. There are hundreds coming out of the catacombs, poorly armed and not at all armored, but impossible to break. The bodies of the dead form barricades for those yet living. You would think they are fanatics, save for the fact that they beg for mercy even as they are cut down, and according to Moonsong they are enchanted... She thinks whatever's down there is preparing something and using those poor wretches to stall for time. She asked for something to bypass the tunnels and divine the true heart of the canker before they have to fight it on its terms."

"That's surprisingly tactical for her," you reply, willing yourself not to think of the implications of her words overlong. There would be time enough for heart-sickness when all this is over.

"We can take this place, Your Grace," the Legion's most senior officer hastens to assure you when you ask his counsel. "This place may have been meant for defense once, but now it's more like an egg than a stone and we are past the shell now. We can use guides from those surrendered to find the head of the snake and cut it off."

No sooner had he said the words that one of the men who had thrown himself to the ground, a servant or slave not a warrior from the look of him, dared to interject: "I know the palace well, the back ways that will be less well-guarded at this hour, only please... my family."

"We have no quarrel with you or your family," you assure him quickly, though he does not seem convinced. Indeed from the looks he throws Yrael you suspect it is only the hallowed presence that makes the poor man the least bit comfortable to even speak in your presence. Gods alone know what manner of rumors the magisters have been spreading about you.

Holding back a sigh you turn back to Lya and ask of the others.

"In this case it can be hoped that no news is good news, for one can hardly offer a report while advancing against any sort of real opposition," she replies, though the look in her eyes makes it clear that she is aware of the other albeit far less likely possibility.

What do you do?

[] Continue taking the palace as per the initial plan

[] Fly to reinforce Moonsong's group
-[] Write in plan

[] Write in


OOC: That five damage was from someone getting a crit with a longbow, which triples the damage dice. Amrelath of course laughs at crits since he is a large pile of bones that flies on the strength of sorcery and malice.
 
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I have no idea where you get that information from. I'l not calling you a liar, but I somehow absolutely didn't get that information in canon. Did I miss something? Does Grey Worm secretly suck?
They are not bad, just not known to be particularly good aside from the big plus that is the death-defying discipline. Some quotes from the Wiki of Ice and Fire:

A eunuch who is cut young will never have the brute strength of one of your Westerosi knights, this is true. A bull is strong as well, but bulls die every day in the fighting pits. A girl of nine killed one not three days past in Jothiel's Pit. The Unsullied have something better than strength, tell her. They have discipline. We fight in the fashion of the Old Empire, yes. They are the lockstep legions of Old Ghis come again, absolutely obedient, absolutely loyal, and utterly without fear.[1]

Unsullied are brave soldiers ... but not warriors. Not knights.[18]

Man to man, the Unsullied are no better or worse than any other spearmen. It's their discipline that makes them dangerous, but if they cannot form up into a spear wall ...[19]
These are obviously not neutral facts, but even the guy who wants to sell them doesn't play up their individual prowess so I believe the quotes are largely going in the right direction.
 
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