Guys, why are you giving her a commission?

Her salary something like two hundred times what an average skilled craftsman gets... That's not a bad starting wage.
That was my opinion on it as well. I don't mind giving her a commission years in the future, but right now when her salary makes her one of the wealthiest people in the kingdom aside from our inner circle? That commission is completely unnecessary.

I would prefer to get rid of it entirely, but if even TNE doesn't want to fight the 1% commission there's nothing I can do.
 
I think it's fundamentally different understanding of what she is.

Is she an employee in a greater business and gets payed a salary unrelated to the final product?
Or is she an artisan with a nearly unique skill who deserves a good percentage of her masterpieces?

I think the fact that she's very difficult to replace right now speaks for the latter.
Without us she could, for example, get work in Braavos. We know that the Sealord pays a lot for magic items and she could make protection through the Silver Eye part of the deal.
That she works for us at all is propably more related to being thankfull and feeling safe due to our earlier rescue. We should not abuse these feelings to underpay her for her skills.

[X] Salary 600IM, 1% commission on party-items, 50% profit from sales.
 
I think it's fundamentally different understanding of what she is.

Is she an employee in a greater business and gets payed a salary unrelated to the final product?
Or is she an artisan with a nearly unique skill who deserves a good percentage of her masterpieces?

I think the fact that she's very difficult to replace right now speaks for the latter.
Without us she could, for example, get work in Braavos. We know that the Sealord pays a lot for magic items and she could make protection through the Silver Eye part of the deal.
That she works for us at all is propably more related to being thankfull and feeling safe due to our earlier rescue. We should not abuse these feelings to underpay her for her skills.

[X] Salary 600IM, 1% commission on party-items, 50% profit from sales.
It's not underpaying.

And she's not staying with us solely out of gratitude and feeling safe, although that's a big part of it. She's staying with us because 1) we taught her everything she knows and transformed her from a helpless slave into a relatively powerful mage, 2) because with us she can learn whatever magic she's able to for free, 3) we handle all of her living costs, and if she requested something of us we probably wouldn't say no so long as it didn't work against us, and 4) she's genuinely loyal.

With that in mind, giving her a flat 600 IM is a fortune. Period. I'd be happy to do a commission for Leila in the future, but definitely not now.
 
Interlude CCI: Sparks in the Dark
Sparks in the Dark

Twenty-Seventh Day of the Twelfth Month 292 AC

As Valaena carefully peeled the crackling pages of parchment apart, her mind wandered as it was wont to do on lazy days when nothing urgent presented itself to her. She made a list in her head of all the ways her current deportment might be counted unbecoming were she still under her father's room and not under the Dragon King's distant guardianship. She was still wearing riding leathers inside, about which her mother had been chiding her since shortly after she had ridden her first pony. She was lounging on a decadent eastern divan, the kind her elderly septa had once railed against for over an hour arguing about the godliness of chairs and how they were the Smith's own gift to honest folk. Oh, and she was reading about monsters. A little thrill half-fear and half-excitement went down her spine.

It was one thing to learn petty sorceries that seemed as a conjurer's tricks, no matter how many times her instructors reminded her that they were the bricks with which greater magics were built. Within those ancient pages marked by the quill of a long dead scribe in a land she could scarce imagine she saw a glimpse of another world, a frightful one for certain, where unclean spirits might take on the flesh of the dead and warp it into deadly semblances or worse still inhuman hungers may hide behind a pale, beautiful facade and lips red as blood.

As a child the young woman had contented herself with the notion that the age of heroes had long since passed, that the last legends had died with the dragons, but here and now she knew it to be false. As she carefully committed to memory the means by which to recognize and battle the living dead, just as she had done with the many and bewildering sorts of fiends, she yearned for a chance to face them even as her more sensible side, the one that sounded startling like her mother at times, reminded her that she had never even fought a mortal man in earnest.

A knock on the door startled Valaena from her thoughts, sounding less discrete than a servant's might. "It's open!" she called out with another twinge of conscience, this time at shouting like a fishwife. She took her feet off the divan and cleaned it off with a hurried spell just as the door opened to reveal a pale dark-haired girl who could count perhaps seven years.

"Do you have Horrors of Neffer?" she asked in what Valaena had come to recognize after all her time here as a Braavosi accent of the bastard Valyrian of the East.

"Yes," she answered, startled. What could the child want with the book?

"Could you give it to me for a quick reference? It won't take long," came the answer.

A sorceress, then, the Velaryon scion thought. She did have an odd air about her, a surety unusual for one of her tender years, and she was not any younger than the princess. Magic or not she hesitated to hand the book to child, though. Some of the matters discussed therein were dreadful, and the images left little to the imagination. "Aught you be reading something like that at your age?" Valaena asked, trying and possibly failing to sound mature from the towering seniority of four-and-ten.

The young girl did something then which she did not expect—she giggled. "Of all those to worry about ink upon the page, I would not be one."

"Why is that?" The words had lost all pretense of chiding, leaving only bemusement in their wake.

As swiftly and unexpectedly as it had come the good cheer left the girl's face. "Because I lived something of what the book tells of."

So simply and without artifice was this said that the young woman could not help but consider that it might be true. After all, was this not the place where one might turn a corner to find not only wizards but spirits of all sorts, men that lived 'neath the waves, or even the Children of the Forest brought here from the dark and frigid North? She wanted to ask more... of how the girl before her had lived the horrors in the tome, but at the same time she was held back not by mere courtesy but by the fear of stirring up some dark memory.

"Why do you want to know?" the girl asked as though guessing Valaena's intent.

She opened her mouth to deny wanting anything, but instead she found herself saying, "Because I want to fight them..." Having gotten ahead of herself, she reasoned that she might as well explain. "I can fight with a sword and I'm learning magic. Who better than me to fight monsters?" She imagined her parents would have had an answer very different from hers to that question, but they were far away and she doubted the strange child, born of foreign lands would judge her.

"That's a good reason." A slow, grave dip of the head then a start that made her look her age again. "I'm Kyla Fairwind. Sorry for not introducing myself.."

As she listened to the girl's tale of woe, of dread, and at last of hope, the spark of wistful distant desire in Valaena Velaryon's thoughts grew brighter and more fierce.

OOC: It did not want to just do an interlude with her first cantrip, since that felt a bit repetitive, so here's a bit of a study session and a glimpse into her shifting priorities.
 
@bigbow, thank you very much.

[X] Plan Glorious Vision.
-[X] "People of Sorcerers Deep, friends, family, soldiers, workers, citizens and honored guests. It's been only a few scant months since our enemies used the infernal, sorcerous power of Wildfire to try and wipe our city from the face of this earth, sowing despair and destruction on those who dared dream for a better future. As I promised you then in the midst of the ashes and the smoke, so I deliver to you now the first part of my promise. Thanks to Lya's keen mind and sorcerous might, and with the help of hundreds of other hard working citizens of the Deep, fey, human, minotaur and beyond, a great work of a kind unseen in ages has been erected."
-[X] "Sorcerous fire sought to destroy this city, but that is not all that is magic, for sorcerous power now stands ready at the tips of our fingers not to destroy, but to create. From this cauldron of steel and sweat comes but the first part of a golden future now within reach. Enemies rise from the waves, from the hells, from the dealings with cruel Lords and Masters, and yet for each of them that rise we rise higher still. From this engine of steel and magic the Legions of the Deep shall be armed and armored, a statement to the monsters and those foolish enough to stand against us, a statement which proves an age old adage true enough… a statement I have seen and breathed throughout my travels."
-[X] "Even Monsters can bleed."
-[X] "And bleed they shall. No soldier of mine shall be found wanting, and thus no piece of equipment for them shall be neglected. In fine masterwork steel I will armor them, and with cold, unyielding steel I shall arm them. They shall be the hand of the King locked in fist, so that all citizens of my realm may sleep soundly at night."
-[X] "…But this creation does more than herald righteous battle. It heralds the beginning of a new age for all mankind and beyond. Through hard work and persistence, we will soon behold a dozen creations of the same ambitious scope, if not purpose. Magic and our ingenuity shall continue onwards, creating new and revolutionary constructs which will raise the standards of living of all citizens. New business opportunities will continue to emerge as two of the most potent forces in history join in solemn matrimony: Human Ingenuity and Magic. From their union their children shall populate this earth: Prosperity, Order, and perhaps most important of all: Hope."
-[X] "A simple sort of man may see only a big furnace behind me, but I see but the first glimmers of a glorious future given physical form. And so, from the bottom of my heart, to all those who stand with me in search of this vision, I say thank you. To Lya the Sage, to my artificers and my enchanters, to my countless workers who even now stand ready to pour steel and through their sweat bring about a vision for a new age: To you all, I say Thank You."

[X] [Leila] Salary of 600 IM/year, and 1% commission based in the cost of the items she made.

The thing is that without us, she would craft at material cost = market value. The employee view is entirely correct, since she couldn't offer competitive prices without working for us.
 
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[X] Azel

Huh, seems a lot of salt happened while I was busy working.

I don't personally see the issue with paying Leila a 5% commission on top of her salary, though I did intend that to only be on things we sold for profit, not internal crafting. Guess I should have been more specific. It was very early in the morning, though...

As for the plan itself, I had the 5% commission in it from the very beginning, and it wasn't in tiny or invisible print. I also always welcome input and frequently update a plan several times with reader suggestions before it is finalized.

So, thanks @DragonParadox for letting us slightly retcon the vote, if only to avoid needless salt. @Everyone else, maybe read what you are voting for first?
 
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[X] Azel

Huh, seems a lot of salt happened while I was busy working.

I don't personally see the issue with paying Leila a 5% commission on top of her salary, though I did intend that to only be on things we sold for profit, not internal crafting. Guess I should have been more specific. It was very early in the morning, though...

As for the plan itself, I had the 5% commission in it from the very beginning, and it wasn't in tiny or invisible print. I also always welcome input and frequently update a plan several times with reader suggestions before it is finalized.

So, thanks @DragonParadox for letting us slightly retcon the vote, if only to avoid needless salt. @Everyone else, maybe read what you are voting for first?
I was asleep when that vote happened. I didn't think you'd try to tack on that 5% commission on top of already paying her 600 IM/year, so I didn't think I needed to stay up to monitor the vote.

EDIT: I'm fine with a commission larger than 1%, but not now. Maybe several years down the line.
 
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Valaena is a good Valaena. We're terrible guardians, but she seems to be doing alright by herself. Rhaella should probably keep a closer eye on the people who are technically our wards right now. Edit: I'm not even sure who that all is. Terrible. Guardian.

If there is one thing I'd like to change about the speech, it's at the end. We openly call Lya "Beloved," which is a bit much for an open speech to someone you're not even engaged to. I'd substitute something like the magnificent or even the beautiful or something similarly heaping praise on her without being too on the nose. There is a difference between open secret and public fact, and I'd like to maintain it until we had a talk with Lya about it.
 
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Valaena is a good Valaena. We're terrible guardians, but she seems to be doing alright by herself. Rhaella should probably keep a closer eye on the people who are technically our wards right now. Edit: I'm not even sure who that all is. Terrible. Guardian.
She's a baby PC in a hostile world. We're preparing her to be able to fight off anything that tries to eat/enslave/inflict other horrible fates on her. We can't afford to coddle her.

Also, our current wards:
Reva Bealus
Liset Bealus
Changeling Baby #1
Changeling Baby #2
Changeling Baby #3
Valaena Velaryon
 
Valaena is a good Valaena. We're terrible guardians, but she seems to be doing alright by herself. Rhaella should probably keep a closer eye on the people who are technically our wards right now. Edit: I'm not even sure who that all is. Terrible. Guardian.

If there is one thing I'd like to change about the speech, it's at the end. We openly call Lya "Beloved," which is a bit much for an open speech to someone you're not even engaged to. I'd substitute something like the magnificent or even the beautiful or something similarly heaping praise on her without being too on the nose. There is a difference between open secret and public fact, and I'd like to maintain it until we had a talk with Lya about it.

Hmm, while you may have a point, it seems like an IC "mistake" to do. Its a passionate speech, and Viserys is kind of pouring out his soul so that other people may join his vision. Its okay his feelings for Lya show a bit here, and I don't think anything horrible will come out of it.

That said, if you really want to change it you might want to tag Azel as he seems to carry all the votes, my job here is done ;)
 
[x] Leila salary of 600 IM a year no commission

The thing is that without us, she would craft at material cost = market value. The employee view is entirely correct, since she couldn't offer competitive prices without working for us.
She wouldn't be crafting at all; Even if she had somehow escaped slavery and learned magic by herself, she could have never afforded the reagents necessary to make anything.
 
Great interlude @DragonParadox thanks for that. Valeana interludes are an old favourite by now.

This does bring to mind though the matter of our seldom used Free Actions. I want to be more involved with all these fun characters, certainly more so than being relegated to the figure of a "distant guardian". The Free Action "slots" in the coming turn plan should help a lot with that, and already slotting some Valeana time to check on her progress would be nice.
 
There's coddling, and there's shades of Crusader Kings 2 fail (aka "shit right I should probably have assigned that kid a tutor at some point").

More seriously, if we continue as bad guardian, that pretty much signals weakness. It says we don't honor obligations.
 
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