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Crake is also very good at it as well and less infernal dammnation to boot
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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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- a song of ice and fire a sword without a hilt d&d 3.5 dungeons & dragons 100% high octane dragon fuel ave corvidae battle action dragon diplomacy best sister bureaucromancy delicious soul-stuff dragon dreams come true dragon ta'veren greatest uncle hubris is a coward's word in defiance of gods and men mammon's folly mutually assured mage's disjunction qm murderhobo top tier coatl
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Sorry, but do you mean "Yes, this is a thing I would be happy writing"
Or, "Yes, I do not find writing this apealing"?
Or... Did you mean you know this is Rhaella's first Viserys speech? 'Cuz that was more rhetorical to get across why I would like an interlude to allow those who most enjoy speechcrafting time to come up with something good.
Please don't respond with "yes"
I'm doing a Valaena interlude.
The latter, I did not realize it was theoretical .
Sorry, but do you mean "Yes, this is a thing I would be happy writing"
Or, "Yes, I do not find writing this apealing"?
Or... Did you mean you know this is Rhaella's first Viserys speech? 'Cuz that was more rhetorical to get across why I would like an interlude to allow those who most enjoy speechcrafting time to come up with something good.
Please don't respond with "yes"
The latter, I did not realize it was theoretical .
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But Azel has this nice slippery slope undercurrent ...Crake is also very good at as well and less infernal dammnation to boot
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Yeah, but we already have like 5 wizards, and more on the oven, and even some adepts, which can craft all of the basic items and then some.
50% of profits for her is patently ridiculous.
We'd still need to tax her income, too.
[X] [Leila] Salary of 600 IM/year, and 1% commission based in the cost of the items she made.
She isn't an associate/partner. She is an employee of the court. Still, a little incentive for her to not complain about big orders.
This way she is making essentially one million dollars a year.
Just attach this to whatever plan we settle for the speech.
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"I'm doing a Valaena interlude."
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We really should have tried to get her to not go husband hunting anymore.
Still, we can try to do that when telling her about the dragon egg lore.
I wonder if there is a taming/binding method that is a) moderate-low risk and b)not completely horrific.
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We really should have tried to get her to not go husband hunting anymore.
Still, we can try to do that when telling her about the dragon egg lore.
I wonder if there is a taming/binding method that is a) moderate-low risk and b)not completely horrific.
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I hate that I can't participate while driving.
600 IM is an extraordinary salary. That's enough for Leila to buy herself three villages and everything inside them within a span of a year. A commission on top of that is completely unnecessary.
That being said, I can stomach a 1% commission far more than a 5% commission.
But a 50% commission on the for-profit magic items is absurd. Please do not do that. 20-30% maybe.
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If we drop that comission rate for the for profit items, we should totally abuse the reagent scarily/extraplanar market situation as much as we can.
tarrangar
Fat arctic chicken
We taught her how to do it, even if she had gotten free some other way, she would never have learned how to craft without us, so her working for us for a wage instead of selling privately is moral, because seeing as it's Lya that discovered how to craft and taught her it, Lya kind of has copyright on the crafting method.
Just like someone working for Coca Cola, isn't allowed to take their secret recipe and make and sell it themselves, we taught her the skills, it's fair that we get part of what she makes using them, if she were an NPC that joined us already knowing how to craft it would be different, but we were the ones who taught her everything she knows of magic, it's fair we get part of the profit from it.
[X] [Leila] Salary of 600 IM/year, and 1% commission based in the cost of the items she made.
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No. This isn't acceptable. She is an employee.
Imagine you own a high-class jewelry store. You wanna hire someone to work diamonds for you.
You own the diamonds, the shop and the tools. You go throu the trouble of procuring and selling everything. You are offering a million dollars per year to this new jeweler, because that's how high class you are.
What would you answer if he demanded a fat fucking share of the profits on top of that?
Leila is an employee.
Not only that, we saved her from slavery, from being tortured in front of a crowd as to exemplify how good the torture implements were, and gave her everything she has, find including life, dignity and sanity. And all her skills.
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We're abusing it anyway.
It's just that a 50% commission completely cripples any profit we might want to make from that venue of business. Sure, we still make a profit, but not nearly as much as we could be making.
Leila is valuable, you guys want to pay her well, I get that. But we're already giving her a fantastic set of wages. DP himself said 600 IM would be more than enough. If you guys insist on that commission for the for-profit items at the very least don't shoot us in the foot by making it a 50% commission.
If you insist on giving her more, then fine, but at the very least wait until after our conquests and after we start getting a steady stream of profit from the Stock Exchange.
Hey, I completely agree with that line of reasoning. I just didn't think my chances of convincing the rest of the thread were all that good. I'm angry at even the 1% compromise and would prefer to do away with it entirely.
Leila is being paid a fortune. She does not need a commission.
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@TotallyNotEvil, let's just have the big speech over the Smelter for now, then in the vote right after this we can try to fix Leila's salary.
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- Brazil
DP said fix it now or don't fix it.
On a 1% commission, if she crafts her full 6000 IM a month, she will get 720 IM a year on top of her 600 IM salary. I can stomach that as a way to reward her hard work, that would mean working seven days a week after all.
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Damn it.
I'm pissed off about this. I thought it was a general agreement that we'd give her a 600 IM salary, then I just went to sleep not worrying about it. To wake up to find out that suddenly Leila's crafting is more costly than the default was not a pleasant surprise.
[X] [Leila] Salary of 600 IM/year, and 1% commission based in the cost of the items she made.
dpara
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I'd think we're doing that commission mostly to avoid a situation like, "why is that guy just coming from the scholarium earning 100 times more than me?"
5% commission seems like an (low) expected market price, so is Leila's work part of a magical item crafting market or not?
5% commission seems like an (low) expected market price, so is Leila's work part of a magical item crafting market or not?
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@TotallyNotEvil
You do remember that literally every mage in D&D takes a sweet 50% pure profit?
That in lands where mages are for more common than here.
Leila is one of a tiny handful of true magical crafters, you can't act like she's an employee we could possibly fire and replace with ease.
You do remember that literally every mage in D&D takes a sweet 50% pure profit?
That in lands where mages are for more common than here.
Leila is one of a tiny handful of true magical crafters, you can't act like she's an employee we could possibly fire and replace with ease.
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We are already paying Leila a fortune. She has been perfectly happy to work without an actual salary thus far provided that she stays with us and gets to learn magic and such from Lya, and now we're dumping enough gold to buy her three villages per year. Her first thought is not going to be "but what about a commission per magic item?" It's going to be more, "How the hells am I going to spend this much money?"
That problem you just cited about our magelings squabbling over their salaries and why others earn more than them won't come up for at least a few years or more.
I'm fine with a commission eventually, I just hate being forced into it now before we've gotten our conquests up and running and before our Stock Exchange starts turning a profit.
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Good thing this isn't every other D&D setting.
We are paying her 600 IM/year to keep her on retainer, and a further 1% of commission on the stuff she crafts with our materials. The commission is just because we like her.
We have five full wizards kicking around already. We train caster from the ground up.
Nothing stops her from selling her services at whatever margins she manages when she isn't doing work for us.
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Here's the speech. No time to look at thread. I regret nothing.
Edit: Forgot the theme music
[X] Plan Glorious Vision.
-[X] "People of Sorcerers Deep, friends, family, soldiers, workers, citizens and honored guests. It's been only a few scant months since our enemies used the infernal, sorcerous power of Wildfire to try and wipe our city from the face of this earth, sowing despair and destruction on those who dared dream for a better future. As I promised you then in the midst of the ashes and the smoke, so I deliver to you now the first part of my promise. Thanks to Lya's keen mind and sorcerous might, and with the help of hundreds of other hard working citizens of the Deep, fey, human, minotaur and beyond, a great work of a kind unseen in ages has been erected."
-[X] "Sorcerous fire sought to destroy this city, but that is not all that is magic, for sorcerous power now stands ready at the tips of our fingers not to destroy, but to create. From this cauldron of steel and sweat comes but the first part of a golden future now within reach. Enemies rise from the waves, from the hells, from the dealings with cruel Lords and Masters, and yet for each of them that rise we rise higher still. From this engine of steel and magic the Legions of the Deep shall be armed and armored, a statement to the monsters and those foolish enough to stand against us, a statement which proves an age old adage true enough… a statement I have seen and breathed throughout my travels."
-[X] "Even Monsters can bleed."
-[X] "And bleed they shall. No soldier of mine shall be found wanting, and thus no piece of equipment for them shall be neglected. In fine masterwork steel I will armor them, and with cold, unyielding steel I shall arm them. They shall be the hand of the King locked in fist, so that all citizens of my realm may sleep soundly at night."
-[X] "…But this creation does more than herald righteous battle. It heralds the beginning of a new age for all mankind and beyond. Through hard work and persistence, we will soon behold a dozen creations of the same ambitious scope, if not purpose. Magic and our ingenuity shall continue onwards, creating new and revolutionary constructs which will raise the standards of living of all citizens. New business opportunities will continue to emerge as two of the most potent forces in history join in solemn matrimony: Human Ingenuity and Magic. From their union their children shall populate this earth: Prosperity, Order, and perhaps most important of all: Hope."
-[X] "A simple sort of man may see only a big furnace behind me, but I see but the first glimmers of a glorious future given physical form. And so, from the bottom of my heart, to all those who stand with me in search of this vision, I say thank you. To my beloved Lya, to my artificers and my enchanters, to my countless workers who even now stand ready to pour steel and through their sweat bring about a vision for a new age: To you all, I say Thank You."
Edit: Forgot the theme music
[X] Plan Glorious Vision.
-[X] "People of Sorcerers Deep, friends, family, soldiers, workers, citizens and honored guests. It's been only a few scant months since our enemies used the infernal, sorcerous power of Wildfire to try and wipe our city from the face of this earth, sowing despair and destruction on those who dared dream for a better future. As I promised you then in the midst of the ashes and the smoke, so I deliver to you now the first part of my promise. Thanks to Lya's keen mind and sorcerous might, and with the help of hundreds of other hard working citizens of the Deep, fey, human, minotaur and beyond, a great work of a kind unseen in ages has been erected."
-[X] "Sorcerous fire sought to destroy this city, but that is not all that is magic, for sorcerous power now stands ready at the tips of our fingers not to destroy, but to create. From this cauldron of steel and sweat comes but the first part of a golden future now within reach. Enemies rise from the waves, from the hells, from the dealings with cruel Lords and Masters, and yet for each of them that rise we rise higher still. From this engine of steel and magic the Legions of the Deep shall be armed and armored, a statement to the monsters and those foolish enough to stand against us, a statement which proves an age old adage true enough… a statement I have seen and breathed throughout my travels."
-[X] "Even Monsters can bleed."
-[X] "And bleed they shall. No soldier of mine shall be found wanting, and thus no piece of equipment for them shall be neglected. In fine masterwork steel I will armor them, and with cold, unyielding steel I shall arm them. They shall be the hand of the King locked in fist, so that all citizens of my realm may sleep soundly at night."
-[X] "…But this creation does more than herald righteous battle. It heralds the beginning of a new age for all mankind and beyond. Through hard work and persistence, we will soon behold a dozen creations of the same ambitious scope, if not purpose. Magic and our ingenuity shall continue onwards, creating new and revolutionary constructs which will raise the standards of living of all citizens. New business opportunities will continue to emerge as two of the most potent forces in history join in solemn matrimony: Human Ingenuity and Magic. From their union their children shall populate this earth: Prosperity, Order, and perhaps most important of all: Hope."
-[X] "A simple sort of man may see only a big furnace behind me, but I see but the first glimmers of a glorious future given physical form. And so, from the bottom of my heart, to all those who stand with me in search of this vision, I say thank you. To my beloved Lya, to my artificers and my enchanters, to my countless workers who even now stand ready to pour steel and through their sweat bring about a vision for a new age: To you all, I say Thank You."
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Guys, why are you giving her a commission?
Her salary something like two hundred times what an average skilled craftsman gets... That's not a bad starting wage.