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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Crake said:
We rely a lot on reputation alone to discourage others from fucking with our stuff. No one wants to do anything to our realm while we're present, because no one actually wants to fight us who isn't some kind of alien horror with a different perspective on mortality than most.
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And those that are alien horrors still have to contend with the knowledge that we might feed them to Yss.

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I seriously hope Yss isn't the serpent alluded to in the breaking of the spheres. That would absolutely suck.

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[ ]Summon bigger fish
[X] Azel
 
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BeepSmile said:
And those that are alien horrors still have to contend with the knowledge that we might feed them to Yss.

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I seriously hope Yss isn't the serpent alluded to in the breaking of the spheres. That would absolutely suck.
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That serpent was female and supposedly had many heads. I still think it's Tiamat, even if the Old Gods had no memory of the Sundering.
 
BeepSmile said:
And those that are alien horrors still have to contend with the knowledge that we might feed them to Yss.

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I seriously hope Yss isn't the serpent alluded to in the breaking of the spheres. That would absolutely suck.

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[ ]Summon bigger fish
[X] Azel
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Now, it would kind of fit with the rebirth motive ...
 
Goldfish said:
--[X] Inform her that she will receive an annual salary of 600 IM, with an additional commission of 5% on anything she crafts for us. She will be given the official title of Artificer and legitimized under any surname she finds acceptable. Depending on her preferences, we can make an announcement of her elevation to our subjects or be more discrete and simply allow others to learn of her change in fortunes more organically.
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Congratulations, by giving her a huge commission margin, her salary is now 4200 IM per year.

@DragonParadox If we haven't yet talked to Leila IC, I'd like a vote to remove this commission part that honestly, got snuck in during the night. Everyone had agreed to 600 IM. No seven times that.
Crake said:
No one's disagreeing, but it'll take more organized discussion to work through that mess.
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A lot of people are disagreeing, and that's worrying. She is entirely correct, we need a clearly defined hierarchy for things to work.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
Congratulations, by giving her a huge commission margin, her salary is now 4200 IM per year.

@DragonParadox If we haven't yet talked to Leila IC, I'd like a vote to remove this commission part that honestly, got snuck in during the night. Everyone had agreed to 600 IM. No seven times that.

A lot of people are disagreeing, and that's worrying. She is entirely correct, we need a clearly defined hierarchy for things to work.
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If it makes you feel better, I agree, but I don't like it :p

We should definitely reconsider the commision amount - the cost to time ratio of crafting (cost in terms of living costs) is insane.
While it may sound unfair 2-3% might be honestly reasonable when you look at the fact that she's getting 2% of 400 IM for what... 8/1000*400 = 4.8hours work. Her skills are valued, damm near unique, but 8 IM for 4.8 hours seems more than fair - and she is working on behalf of her king who is doing this to save the world and such.

Also, can a predigistnation effect be added to a metal weave thing above the top of the smelter to prevent smoke damage to the area?

Basic conceptual cleaning of the air as it passes throug should suffice.
 
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TotallyNotEvil said:
@DragonParadox If we haven't yet talked to Leila IC, I'd like a vote to remove this commission part that honestly, got snuck in during the night. Everyone had agreed to 600 IM. No seven times that.
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I agree with this. I want to go back to the original 600 IM. @Crake @Goldfish I don't know why you guys tacked on the 5% commission, but I'd like to remove that if possible. Leila is going to be plenty rich. A mere 200 IM is enough to buy her own village and everything in it.

Why not just have "room for more negotiation" or something on there instead? Like, when the Stock Exchange really takes off I'd be happy to renegotiate and give her a commission. But not right now. We're rich, but we're not that rich.
 
I just wanna know where TNE is pulling that figure from.

To me I see 5% and then I see that kind of shit she could make, and note specifically that is has been things like PfE... or Healing Belts... or other small, basic gear.

A 400 IM PfE item for example? 5% of that is 20 IM.

5% of a 75 IM healing belt is... 3.75 IM.

Say she makes a couple dozen of the latter over a year. Taken together, not a inconsiderable sum to a lady of her station... but still only 45 IM.

Say she makes and we sell 10 PfE amulets to Braavosi aristocrats... okay, that's 200 IM. Say it's somehow 100 PfE amulets. It is now 2000... but we've made exponentially more than that off the sales.

She would not make gear for PCs. We use Lya for that so we can derive benefit from her EA feat.
 
OK, in the interests of avoiding an expansion of the salt caverns, you guys can append to the current vote a modification on the terms for Leila. Not doing so means you agree with the current terms.
 
Crake said:
I just wanna know where TNE is pulling that figure from.

To me I see 5% and then I see that kind of shit she could make, and note specifically that is has been things like PfE... or Healing Belts... or other small, basic gear.

A 400 IM PfE item for example? 5% of that is 20 IM.

5% of a 75 IM healing belt is... 3.75 IM.

Say she makes a couple dozen of the latter over a year. Taken together, not a inconsiderable sum to a lady of her station... but still only 45 IM.

Say she makes and we sell 10 PfE amulets to Braavosi aristocrats... okay, that's 200 IM. Say it's somehow 100 PfE amulets. It is now 2000... but we've made exponentially more than that off the sales.

She would not make gear for PCs. We use Lya for that so we can derive benefit from her EA feat.
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I had intended to use her to craft fullblast for the party, which comes to 6000 IM per month. 300 per month for a year is 3600 IM.

Because we are something like 70k IM behind schedule.

But now we can't.
 
@Crake, the point is it wasn't really what the thread as a whole agreed upon. It's one thing when Lya crafts at a discount, it's another when Leila actively costs more than the default. She already had a fantastic salary, there was no need for that commission.

I really wish I hadn't taken that nap now.
 
I don't really care... it was Goldfish that included it. And he didn't exactly do it craftily or sneakily either.

Read the plans before you vote.
 
It totally doesn't matter to me. I'm not attached to the commission idea. I even specifically fucking said, before merging votes with Goldfish, "unless anyone has a problem with her taking commissions?"

I actually kind of understand what @Snowfire felt like a few days ago. This is fucking ridiculous.
 
Well, I share a little bit of the salt, but establishing a 5% commission rate for artificers who are working directly for the crown is about right. Mages who couldn't pay for their magical schooling already have to work for the crown to pay back the cost, letting them keep a small amount of product on commission, while we keep most of the profit from selling them will keep them from being too salty about the difference. They live well, but not amazingly, and when they can become free agents and sell their services on their own is similar enough to the apprentice->journeyman system to not create too much resentment.

Leila's salary of 50 IM a month is more for being Lya's assistant. Some months she barely crafts anything by herself, but she's helping keep Lya's lab in order. The number of people who we can allow unrestricted access to Lya's lab who are not full PCs and can actually contribute are...pretty much Leila. So I think it's a fair conclusion to the issue.
 
Remember: She isn't restricted to crafting low level things. Because each of the requisites for crafting anything can be supplied by a different person on this kind of crafting.

Just need someone to cast the spell once, if it's above her level, during the whole process.

So, yeah. I was dearly looking forward to crafting 12-18k IM per month of stuff.
 
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Diomedon said:
Well, I share a little bit of the salt, but establishing a 5% commission rate for artificers who are working directly for the crown is about right. Mages who couldn't pay for their magical schooling already have to work for the crown to pay back the cost, letting them keep a small amount of product on commission, while we keep most of the profit from selling them will keep them from being too salty about the difference. They live well, but not amazingly, and when they can become free agents and sell their services on their own is similar enough to the apprentice->journeyman system to not create too much resentment.

Leila's salary of 50 IM a month is more for being Lya's assistant. Some months she barely crafts anything by herself, but she's helping keep Lya's lab in order. The number of people who we can allow unrestricted access to Lya's lab who are not full PCs and can actually contribute are...pretty much Leila. So I think it's a fair conclusion to the issue.
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Later. After we get that Stock Exchange up and running. Not now.
 
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