A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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She is restricted by her caster level if not her spell list.
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- being near locations is my passion.
Lelia can make her own way in life, we don't need to support her via commisioning objects. The money paid should be a balance of time and skill scarcity, so maybe don't look at 5% of item cost as a guideline, but how much we are willing to pay her for say... 4.8 hours work, away from her general healing duties or however she supports herself.
I very much am infavor of a revote on this.
Azel can make a speech to make the land itself give us iron in excitement for this, but i'll not vote for anything that dosen't have this corrected.
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*sigh* As long as we get to change that.
I don't mind she taking private commissions whenever she isn't craftin things for us.
Hell, I don't mind raising her salary if it looks small. Even 600 IM is something like U$900000.
But Rhaella is right in that she handles enormous sums in her daily work. A percentage of that is way too expensive in the long run.
Diomedea
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Maybe a 5% commission of items we intend for sale? So when crafting for the party/us it's just her base salary, but if we get a windfall order of PfE amulets from Braavos or something, Leila can share part of the profits? Lya no longer has time for that kind of work, so it's profit for us either way.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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I would almost plead that you don't bark up that tree, @BeepSmile, if only because this seems like such a fucking pointlessly silly thing to argue over. Whatever we pay her, she will never find a way to spend it unless she becomes a PC.
If she is adamant about remaining an NPC, she will never have expenses that would necessitate spending more than whatever salary assigned to her, because only PCs and rulers have those kinds of expenses.
Salt is okay in my book if it's over meaningful shit.
This isn't meaningful, it's a distraction.
If she is adamant about remaining an NPC, she will never have expenses that would necessitate spending more than whatever salary assigned to her, because only PCs and rulers have those kinds of expenses.
Salt is okay in my book if it's over meaningful shit.
This isn't meaningful, it's a distraction.
Snowfire
Polyglot of Chimera
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Just to check, but are you aware of the ability to (with feats) ignore the need for a spellcaster when making magical items? I'll see about digging out the feat chain, it's a doozy.
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I uh, may habe used a bit too much hyperbole there, but looking at the sheer cost that going to her would incur over time at 5% made me balk strongly.
A lower percentage of 1-2-3% looks low, but as a function of money earned per time spent a low percentage looks wayyy more reasonable.
Edit: I feel it is very not meaningless btw, as to me, paying her fairly feels like a black hole into which we'll be throwing money.
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Snowfire
Polyglot of Chimera
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Yeah, that was it. I've seen it put to a lot of good use by clever PCs.
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Most items don't have a minimum CL to work, tho.
I can stomach 1%, but those 50%, you mean that whenever she makes a private commission, we get half the profits?
Because I see no point in differentiating what's crafted "for the party" and what "the party arranges the sale of", the party being essentially Viserys in this case.
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Can't do more then bullet points from my phone.
[X] Plan Business
-[X] Open up by honouring the hard work of Lya, the Pech and all others who helped.
-[X] Declare this the dawn of a new age. The availability of cheap steel will soon revolutionise many fields and create untold business opportunities.
-[X] This is a grand example for how magic can be leveraged for the betterment of all.
-[X] The world might be changing, but with hard work, ingenuity and conviction, we can make it change for the better.
Core points. @Crake? Could you speechify it?
[X] Plan Business
-[X] Open up by honouring the hard work of Lya, the Pech and all others who helped.
-[X] Declare this the dawn of a new age. The availability of cheap steel will soon revolutionise many fields and create untold business opportunities.
-[X] This is a grand example for how magic can be leveraged for the betterment of all.
-[X] The world might be changing, but with hard work, ingenuity and conviction, we can make it change for the better.
Core points. @Crake? Could you speechify it?
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- being near locations is my passion.
I don't see how we can ethiclly profiteer from her crafting items for sale (bravvos problems have created a new markey for pfe). Which is unfortunate, as I really want to.
Is... Can someone convince me how we can get a full half of the profits?
Because I would like that.
Also, at 1% payment for time, that is 0.8 IM per hour's effort. That really makes a low commision eisier to accept when you look at it like that imo.
As far as I'm aware all of them do: the minimum needed for the effect they have.
Just noticed this, there is really no pending interlude at this point.
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Diomedea
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A core point we need to hammer on is how we plan to use this to equip our men, and not crash the steel market (until the Iron Bank and Braavos approaches us proposing to crash the steel market with them for short term profit, and better protection for Braavos).
We're using our contacts to find the order, negotiate price, gather the needed materials and supply them to Leila, and take and deliver the final product. She doesn't need to worry about any of the business side stuff, she just needs to work her craft. That's how we justify our 50%.
We're using our contacts to find the order, negotiate price, gather the needed materials and supply them to Leila, and take and deliver the final product. She doesn't need to worry about any of the business side stuff, she just needs to work her craft. That's how we justify our 50%.
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It's how most companies work - employees get a wage, and the product is sold for as much as possible. Usually the employee isn't directly profiting from the margins.
Except for exceptions - if you are one of three on the continent to be able to create something desirable, you are sought after.
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If it isn't spoilery, maybe an Asha one to help develop an emotional connection?
Personally, I think one where she is just trying to help Theon as part of her "day in the life" might be nice, but these are just ideas of what I would like to read. If you have nothing for that atm, or don't want to, cool, it just... This is Rhaella's first Viserys speech, ya know?
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- being near locations is my passion.
You legend.
You know, if we get regular Air trade, or just not have to worry about Random!Asshole so as to be able to pop over every month or two, we can absolutely piggyback of the Brravos trade to charge at Planetos rates, and pay materials at extraplanar market rates.
Diomedea
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I'm not sure Crake is still awake, and I need to step out to take care of my mountain of errands I have to do today. Do we have someone willing to take a swing at speechifying?
My quick edit of Azel's basic points to try and assuage any nominally neutral spies that we're not intending on crashing the steel market (even if we then crash the steel market in a few months.).
[] Plan Business plus We're totally not a trade threat.
-[] Open up by honouring the hard work of Lya, the Pech and all others who helped.
-[] Declare this the dawn of a new age. The availability of cheap steel for our native use will permit us to stand against the might of our enemies. It must be safeguarded and kept close. Magic might be rising, but good steel is still the foundation of armies.
-[] This is a grand example for how magic can be leveraged for the betterment of all.
-[] The world might be changing, but with hard work, ingenuity and conviction, we can make it change for the better.
My quick edit of Azel's basic points to try and assuage any nominally neutral spies that we're not intending on crashing the steel market (even if we then crash the steel market in a few months.).
[] Plan Business plus We're totally not a trade threat.
-[] Open up by honouring the hard work of Lya, the Pech and all others who helped.
-[] Declare this the dawn of a new age. The availability of cheap steel for our native use will permit us to stand against the might of our enemies. It must be safeguarded and kept close. Magic might be rising, but good steel is still the foundation of armies.
-[] This is a grand example for how magic can be leveraged for the betterment of all.
-[] The world might be changing, but with hard work, ingenuity and conviction, we can make it change for the better.
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{X] Azel
I love how everyone without him even putting a vote plan up chooses the smooth talking devil.
I love how everyone without him even putting a vote plan up chooses the smooth talking devil.
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- Chile
I'd like to join too.
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- Germany
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Easy - speech == Azel.