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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Crake said:
Yeah.

I'm also not supportive of bringing Rhaegar back unless we also bring Lyanna back, so she can beat his shit inside out until we have to put him back together again, sit his ass down, and talk to him about self fulfilling prophecies and how not even the Gods have total and complete control over Kismet and destiny itself.

Then I would lock him in the Maidenvault to think about what he's done.

But since Lyanna probably cares more about being bound to Jon so that he can use her power to protect himself, it's a non-issue, and catharsis is literally the only reason I'd bother with him.
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Agreed. The only way I'd support bringing Rhaegar back is if Elia gets to scream at him, and then afterwards we give him to Oberyn to do as he pleases.
 
Rhaegar is a no-no for political reasons, the north remembers, even if we bring lyanna back and she says it was consensual, they still fought a bloody war because he couldn't keep it in his pants.
I do want to bring little Rhaenys back, dear mother will probably be more than happy to have a granddaughter to take care of.
 
The only ones I'd support giving to Oberyn to quote unquote "do as he pleases" are Tywin Lannister, Gregor Clegane and Amory Lorch, not necessarily in that order.

If we brought back Rhaegar, that's on us. We take immediate personal responsibility for his fuckups and any more fuckups he makes.

Which means making the moron shut up and get his head out of his ass.

Edit: Which is why it's better not to bother.
 
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Crake said:
The only one I'd support giving to Oberyn to quote unquote "do as he pleases" are Tywin Lannister, Gregor Clegane and Amory Lorch, not necessarily in that order.

If we brought back Rhaegar, that's on us. We take immediate personal responsibility for his fuckups and any more fuckups he makes.

Which means making the moron shut up and get his head out of his ass.

Edit: Which is why it's better not to bother.
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Wait, you want to keep Rhaegar alive if we ever bring him back? Then I'm definitely against ever wasting the diamond on him. Catharsis is the only reason I'd even consider it, and that value goes out the window if we then have to take care of the moron.
 
At least Aurane admits he can't keep it in his pants. Rhaegar dressed up his little tryst as fathering the messiah himself.

@Duesal Whatever else Viserys is, kinslayer he is not. And stretching the creative bounds of what that means is so just not on.

Rhaegar might have been an idiot, but he wasn't evil like Aerys. You don't give people who aren't absolutely vile monsters to the tender mercies of Oberyn "the Red Viper" Martell lightly, much less family.
 
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Valaena still has that dragon egg right?

Now that we have someone who actually lived in that time we can ask how to go about hatching it right?
 
Crake said:
@Duesal Whatever else Viserys is, kinslayer he is not. And stretching the creative bounds of what that means is so just not on.

Rhaegar might have been an idiot, but he wasn't evil like Aerys. You don't give people who aren't absolutely vile monsters to the tender mercies of Oberyn "the Red Viper" Martell lightly, much less family.
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Yeah, then that's an absolute no from me regarding bringing Rhaegar back. If we're forced to keep him alive then I completely lose interest.
Massgamer said:
Valaena still has that dragon egg right?

Now that we have someone who actually lived in that time we can ask how to go about hatching it right?
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Yeah, Malarys is a jackpot like that. He's definitely going to help Valaena hatch that egg.
 
I'm completely fiiiine with that.

All this talk of dead Targaryens running around has gotten me thirsty for wildfire. Be right back. :V
 
I know that our line very old an very prestigious, but...

Why?

How long a list of lunatics and morons do you need before that prestige is used up?
 
Takesis said:
I'd rather have the long dead stay dead.

Rhaella needs to be raised for Viserys' heart and Elia for Dorne. Others who have been dead for a while is kind off pointless in our vision for the future. I'd rather build up new legends than reviving those who have passed.

Rhaenys maybe, but what if Dorne asks for Aegon?
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Couldn't agree more.

Don't care about some dusty has been, no need for the ridiculous character bloat and the only way they can be a meaningful addition to the story with the canon history they have is to throw plot hooks left and right and throw everything into disarray.

We will not end up with a competent Commander surname Targaryen who just gets shit done. Blood feuds, ghost feuds and many things I can't guess at but none of them seem likely to be good.
 
Kings get away with so much shit because "Royalty Should Be Eccentric".

Also because people war less and it plays to those advantaged in intrigue for there to be a figurehead House who they can hitch their star to, or use as a vehicle to the destruction of their enemies.

There's also the fact that Targaryens have a sort of larger than life charisma in general. I don't know what it is that made Rhaegar so well loved by so many people across the Seven Kingdoms, when he died in his early twenties, that by 298 AC he achieved near deification, but it couldn't have been entirely mundane. Some kind of magical juju going on there.
 
Crake said:
There's also the fact that Targaryens have a sort of larger than life charisma in general. I don't know what it is that made Rhaegar so well loved by so many people across the Seven Kingdoms, when he died in his early twenties, that by 298 AC he achieved near deification, but it couldn't have been entirely mundane. Some kind of magical juju going on there.
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Same thing that made people follow Daemon Blackfire despite bad claim and obviously evil name?

I guess the combination of white hair and magical abs is as powerful in Westeros as it has ever been in the Final Fantasy fandom.
 
Now to be fair... the worst our white haired assholes ever did was claim they were really the good guys, totally honestly for realsies this time! That's why they should be King instead, obviously. :V

Sephiroth on the other hand was pretty up front about it all. All he wants is to destroy everything and ride the dead planet as a space ship through the cosmos. You know. Just Villain Things.

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Well, Maelys discounted, I suppose. He was pretty upfront about what he was all about, too.
 
Crake said:
1) We don't have to tell anyone that we tried, unless we succeed. Better to ask forgiveness than ask permission, or better yet, not to have to ask forgiveness for giving false hope.
2) We only have to make the attempt. I would say there should be some consequence to it. Rhaenys wouldn't have had PC levels, so she would take a constitution hit, probably be just as sickly as Elia was if she wasn't especially healthy to begin with and only of middling constitution. But we could probably figure something out for that.
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Worst come to worst, we have to sacrifice the EXP to take Rhaenys to the dreamlands, and wish her constitution back up, it's expensive but family is worth it, and we probably wont be resurrecting her until we are at least level 15.

We might not even have to do it ourselves, we aren't the only ones who can make wishes in the Dreamland, and Oberyn would probably sacrifice a level to bring his niece back to health.

But more likely we just make an item that improves constitution, and tell Rhaenys to always have it on.
das_slash said:
Rhaegar is a no-no for political reasons, the north remembers, even if we bring lyanna back and she says it was consensual, they still fought a bloody war because he couldn't keep it in his pants.
I do want to bring little Rhaenys back, dear mother will probably be more than happy to have a granddaughter to take care of.
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Should we be considering resurrecting Richard and Brandon Stark? I would say no, that could be a mess, what with Ned being the current Lord Paramount and already having heirs.

To be precise bringing Brandon back could be a mess, and bringing Richard but not Brandon back, might be worse than bringing neither back in term of goodwill.
 
Takesis said:
I'd rather have the long dead stay dead.

Rhaella needs to be raised for Viserys' heart and Elia for Dorne. Others who have been dead for a while is kind off pointless in our vision for the future. I'd rather build up new legends than reviving those who have passed.
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I know we have a whole "Viserys' Draconic hoarding instinct applies to people" thing going, but I'm not sure about the idea of using Resurrection magic just to collect new Pokémon.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Duesal on Jan 3, 2018 at 4:00 AM, finished with 164 posts and 10 votes.
  • [X] We came to meet the Lord of these lands, who named themselves Renly Baratheon, who offered to pay his brother's ransom and take him from our care. Unfortunately, we have reason to believe that the real Renly Baratheon might not be the one who has made this offer. Our predicament is that handing over Lord Stannis might endanger the customs of hostage-holding and worth of ransom paid in good faith, and calls into question our own given word to return him to his kin and lands unharmed and not bespelled once the price is paid in full.
    -[X] So we have come to have a look at this "Lord Renly" and his lands and see if he is one to hold to his word and act as the true lord of Storm's End should, or not.
    -[X] We are interested to know what they think of the matter.
    -[X] In exchange, we will pay them 50 gold for accurate information on the local situation here in the Stormlands without too much additional artifice so as not to try our patience. For legitimately valuable information that could influence or next decision in regards to "Renly", we would be willing to offer double that or, visit this Inn again with a full set of glasses using sheets of glass formed by dragon fire and magically fabricated to completion.
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I'm completely against resurrecting anyone from the recent-to-distant past but Elia and Viserys' mother, and I'll only go along with those two because one has long been a dream and character motivation for Viserys and the other was agreed to as part of a major political alliance. The rest can stay dead for all I care. It doesn't matter if we end up with so many giant-sized super valuable diamonds that we start using them as door stops.
 
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Part MDLXXVIII: Secrets in Small Places
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    • Secrets in Small Places ​

    Tenth Day of the Twelfth Month 292 AC

    "We came to meet the Lord of these lands, who named himself Renly Baratheon, and offered to pay his brother's ransom and take him from our care. Unfortunately, we have reason to believe that the real Renly Baratheon might not be the one who has made this offer. Our predicament is that handing over Lord Stannis might endanger the customs of hostage-holding and worth of ransom paid in good faith, and calls into question our own given word to return him to his kin and lands unharmed and not bespelled once the price is paid in full," you answer, speaking truth with a measure of formality that will hopefully appeal to the strange nature of the fey.

    The odd little creature tilts its furred head to the side so far you are almost afraid it will tip over. "There are no lords of men or fey 'neath this roof, child of wind and flame, though I might know something of worth for you and yours..."

    "That is good," you answer with a smile. "Long have we known that the houses where travelers take shelter and from the cold and fill aching bellies were the very best places to seek news, and verily the finer the service the more precious the tales." From the spark of amusement in her eye you suspect Tyene would be teasing you for offering such flattery to a knee-high furry manikin for quite some time, you only hope it will be worth it.

    At least the 'master of the hearth' himself seems taken by the your words, as he draws a silver flask the size of a man's finger and takes a contemplative drink.

    "For your opinion of this 'lord Renly' I would offer five-times-ten coins of bright gold and again as much for more precious or secret lore, or else..." You look around for a moment wondering that you could offer that might tempt fey whimsy. You spot again the soup helm and offer: "a set of glasses wrought of dragon-fire and shaped by sorcery."

    "Well now," the manikin replies, stocktaking his bristly beard. "You offer much by the measure of man and a prize even beyond that, but what you ask is perilous to tell, for much searching and squirming may come of the answers you seek..." Seeing that you are not about to take the bait with that little offer, it continues, "What would you think the men of these lands would do if they knew who made the wine that tasted so sweet to their lips or set clean sheets upon the beds? Would they pay us a fair price... or drive us out, calling us demons and other foolish filth?"

    "You are afraid that you will be driven out should the imposter be revealed," Garin interjected smoothly.

    "You said it not I, man half-dead," the hearth spirit replies, likely dancing around some oath.

    "In my lands magic is welcome and the fey also if they are kindly," you begin, rather satisfied with the notion of gaining more than information this day.

    Alas the odd little innkeeper shakes his head with determination: "I'll not leave my hearthstone for lands over the water, no matter if you offer me an inn wrought of gold and jewels. It wouldn't be seemingly..." From the way he says it you suspect it is less stubbornness or some negotiating tactic and more a part of his nature, and as you have learned a feyspirit's nature is not lightly changed. "I tell you all I know, and I know lots for great lords pay little heed to the wee folk who pour their mead, if ye swear to keep my inn safe from whatever may come of your deeds."

    What do you reply?

    [] Swear the oath

    [] Do not swear the oath
    -[] Write in next course action

    OOC: Just to be clear the domovoi does not specifically want you to tell him how you intend to keep the inn safe, he figures you are powerful enough to do it somehow so he just wants an oath.
     
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    • Well, as tempting as it is...

    This is an absolute oath, and one we cannot guarantee to fulfill.

    The most we can swear, in my opinion, is that we will do our utmost to keep the inn safe.
     
    Ha, no fucking way, Mr. Humpty.

    [X] Do not swear the oath
    -[X] "You overstep yourself, domovoi. I will promise to avoid deliberately bringing harm or hardship to your inn, save to prevent tragedy or loss of life as judged by my own mores, so long as you speak only truth in our dealings and do not attempt to twist your words as the Fey are so often inclined. If these terms are not acceptable, my companions and I will take our leave."
     
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