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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Duesal said:
By the way, things I want to ask Malarys about:

Dragonsteel -- how it was made, who made it, where it was made, what materials went into it, what properties the finished product possessed (compare and contrast with our own notes on the subject
Dragonstone -- how it was made, who made it, where it was made, what materials went into it, what properties the finished product possessed
Glass Candles -- full range of properties, how it was made, known locations
Land Wyrms -- basically everything he knows about them, along with whatever he knows about keeping them under control
Flesh Forges -- how they worked, how they were made, what the known products were, known locations, wtf is going on in Gogossos, what's up with Land Wardens, etc
History of the Freehold -- because why not, let's add to our library, like, when we get around to giving him a dragonpen let's actually have him write a book about the Freehold, its rise and fall, the types of magics that it possessed, the wars it fought, how they managed to tame dragons and force them to become lesser Valyrian dragons, what weapons or wonders they created, the gods they worshipped, the Forty Families, the government and laws of the Freehold, etc. Basically everything we could ask about the Freehold I expect Malarys to tell us. Maybe we should have him stagger the information in separate volumes.
Tyria, Oros, and Valyria -- helping us parse through the stories of the Freehold's cities in his time, comparing that to whatever lore we have now, and speculating on what we would face if we get
Dragonlore -- he's a dragonlord, there is absolutely no excuse for him not knowing this shit. He should be able to tell us how to hatch and rear a Valyrian Dragon, along with all the proper Valyrian commands to get it to fully obey you
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You know, I have the feeling that a lot of the solutions Malarys would give about the creation of all these things involve copious amounts of ritual blood sacrifice, since that seems to have been the Valyrian's thing.

They used blood magic for:
their bio constructs
probably for the flesh forge
for the creation and enchantment of magic items
the awakening of someone's magic (as was seen in the interlude)
possibly for taming their dragons (feeding it slaves until it liked you was seen as a viable thing)

So much of what Vaylria accomplished seems to rely on having a constant mass of people to sacrifice, that I don't know if Malarys will be able to help us much with replicating what Valyria could create.
 
Raichu1972 said:
You know, I have the feeling that a lot of the solutions Malarys would give about the creation of all these things involve copious amounts of ritual blood sacrifice, since that seems to have been the Valyrian's thing.

They used blood magic for:
their bio constructs
probably for the flesh forge
for the creation and enchantment of magic items
the awakening of someone's magic (as was seen in the interlude)
possibly for taming their dragons (feeding it slaves until it liked you was seen as a viable thing)

So much of what Vaylria accomplished seems to rely on having a constant mass of people to sacrifice, that I don't know if Malarys will be able to help us much with replicating what Valyria could create.
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That's perfectly fine. Even if we can't exactly fully invest our resources in recreating lost Valyrian arts, I still want the knowledge on how they worked, how they were made, etc. The knowledge itself is useful for Lya and other party members to build off of for their own project, and if Malarys shares said knowledge with us if party members come across various Valyrian treasures while off on their own they might actually know what to do with them or what to watch out for.

I mean, for example, the knowledge that Valyrian constructs actively hunted all non-Valyrian mages was probably common knowledge in the time of the Freehold, but we got super lucky to have Viserys pass that knowledge check (thank you Dragon-blooded). If we'd failed there the Seeker would have lunged for Tor, then Lya, then us. And further than that we saw an interlude where Lanna and Gerion Lannister almost died because they didn't know proper Valyrian courtesies.

I bet anything Malarys would have breezed right through those situations simply by virtue of growing up in the Freehold and having these things be as natural to him as breathing. I want that knowledge.
 
[X] Crake

@Crake, would you mind expanding on asking for info on the Stormlands to asking for rumors in Westeros as a whole? That way DP can work that into the same rumor post as whatever we got from those Sarnori merchants.
 
Duesal said:
On a different note, current potential dragon riders:

Viserys -- is a dragon
Dany -- can be a dragon for a limited time, but has still expressed desire for her own dragon, maybe as a pet?
Malarys -- dragonlord from the time of the Freehold, was promised a dragon
Valaena -- has Targaryen blood, wants to be a dragon rider, was promised a dragon
Valaena's infant brother -- sure, why not, maybe in the future
Dragonseeds -- we'll have to find some we trust, but sure, maybe in the future after vetting
Rhaella -- soon to be resurrected, can absolutely have a dragon if she wants
Aemon -- has always dreamed of having a dragon
Jon -- is our nephew, can have a dragon when the game's up and his identity is out
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Tyene might be able to. She wouldn't be up shit creek anyway--dragon binding sorcery is an option.

Tyene is also the only Sand Snake I'd trust with a dragon. Only one that seems to know the true cost and horror of battle, much less the destructive power of something like a dragon.

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@Duesal @DragonParadox

For information/rumors, I would roll it into the main rumor post, with half of them being Essos and half of them being Westeros, probably with a Stormlands-centric bent. We got our last run of rumors in Westeros from Dorne, so I imagine coming from a fey based out in the Stormlands they'll be even more distinct.
 
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Crake said:
Tyene might be able to. She wouldn't be up shit creek anyway--dragon binding sorcery is an option.

Tyene is also the only Sand Snake I'd trust with a dragon. Only one that seems to know the true cost and horror of battle, much less the destructive power of something like a dragon.
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I'd happily give Tyene a dragon if she showed any interest. And I whole-heartedly agree about her being the only Sand Snake I'd ever trust with a dragon. Malarys would be scandalized, but eh. Tyene has earned this ten times over. And she does have some distant dragonlord ancestry in her.

EDIT: Maybe--maybe--little Elia would be another candidate, but only if Tyene took over her education early on. Oberyn's a well-meaning dad and all, but also a pretty terrible influence on his kids.
 
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Duesal said:
I'd happily give Tyene a dragon if she showed any interest. And I whole-heartedly agree about her being the only Sand Snake I'd ever trust with a dragon. Malarys would be scandalized, but eh. Tyene has earned this ten times over. And she does have some distant dragonlord ancestry in her.

EDIT: Maybe--maybe--little Elia would be another candidate, but only if Tyene took over her education early on. Oberyn's a well-meaning dad and all, but also a pretty terrible influence on his kids.
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Little Rhaenys, if we ever get around to reviving her. I think she's just barely old enough to be considered resurrect-able, unlike our nephew who was an infant?
 
Crake said:
Little Rhaenys, if we ever get around to reviving her. I think she's just barely old enough to be considered resurrect-able, unlike our nephew who was an infant?
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Since DP has cleared up the whole concern of succession (that Viserys is definitely the rightful king) there's pretty much no reason to not try to bring Rhaenys back. It'll be harder than a normal resurrection, and failure will probably lead to heartbreak for poor Elia once we bring her back, but we're obligated to try. The kid was family and in no way deserved what happened to her, and if it works then Elia adjusting to her new life becomes ten times easier.

That being said @Crake, we'd have to convince DP to let us try it. I'm not sure what his stance on toddler resurrection is.
 
Duesal said:
Since DP has cleared up the whole concern of succession (that Viserys is definitely the rightful king) there's pretty much no reason to not try to bring Rhaenys back. It'll be harder than a normal resurrection, and failure will probably lead to heartbreak for poor Elia once we bring her back, but we're obligated to try. The kid was family and in no way deserved what happened to her, and if it works then Elia adjusting to her new life becomes ten times easier.

That being said @Crake, we'd have to convince DP to let us try it. I'm not sure what his stance on toddler resurrection is.
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1) We don't have to tell anyone that we tried, unless we succeed. Better to ask forgiveness than ask permission, or better yet, not to have to ask forgiveness for giving false hope.
2) We only have to make the attempt. I would say there should be some consequence to it. Rhaenys wouldn't have had PC levels, so she would take a constitution hit, probably be just as sickly as Elia was if she wasn't especially healthy to begin with and only of middling constitution. But we could probably figure something out for that.
 
Crake said:
1) We don't have to tell anyone that we tried, unless we succeed. Better to ask forgiveness than ask permission, or better yet, not to have to ask forgiveness for giving false hope.
2) We only have to make the attempt. I would say there should be some consequence to it. Rhaenys wouldn't have had PC levels, so she would take a constitution hit, probably be just as sickly as Elia was if she wasn't especially healthy to begin with and only of middling constitution. But we could probably figure something out for that.
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Alright, that should work, but we'll need Tyene's help to secretly get Rhaenys' bones, and we'll need a damn good excuse ready if we're somehow caught.

Also, lol, Elia's sickliness is easily cured with magic. Not too worried there.
 
Damn good reason = "She was my family too, and if I had asked for permission, and it didn't work, you would hate me for it. Don't even deny it--I'd hate me too."

@Duesal if we revived all of those people on my short list I made last night, there would be for once in a long time more living Targaryens than we'd even know WTF to do with.

I for one imagine Viserys spoiling the shit out of little Rhaenys. I know he does with Dany, but Dany takes on more personal responsibility than most adults and is more like a little wyrmling than a child.
 
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Artemis1992 said:
Just a note, the diamond will be lost, even if the spell fails due to unwilling soul...
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It pains my magpie soul to so willingly throw money away, but in this case it'd be worth it. It'd make the Martells unquestioningly loyal to us, bring a family member back, help Elia fully recover, and get us a new dragonlord. That's worth the risk of a 2000 IM going out for nothing.

When we talk to Bloodraven we should ask him more about this stuff, he probably knows what we could do to boost our chances of Rhaenys actually being brought back. Maybe we could use our Blood Wish to try to aid it?
 
By the time we can consider casually throwing diamonds around for that resurrection spree, we'll be swimming in that cash money.
 
Crake said:
By the time we can consider casually throwing diamonds around for that resurrection spree, we'll be swimming in that cash money.
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And this. Also, @Crake, regarding the list of historical candidates for Resurrection:
Crake said:
Corlys Velaryon (Died 132 AC, 160 years prior as of 292 AC)
Aemon "the Dragonknight" Targaryen (Died sometime between 178-183 AC, 114-119 years prior as of 292 AC) ...and on that note...
Dowager-Queen Naerys Targaryen (Died sometime between 178-183 AC, 114-119 years prior as of 292 AC) ... >.>
Ser Duncan the Tall (Died 259 AC, 33 years prior as of 292 AC)
Prince Daeron Targaryen [the one who presumably preferred men] and his rumored lover Jeremy Norridge (Died in 251 AC, both, 41 years prior as of 292 AC) [Both were absolute badasses, and such a package deal. Kind of silly not to.]
Princess Rhaenys Targaryen [aged 3] (Died 283 AC, 9 years prior as of 292 AC)
Princess Elia Martell (Died 283 AC, 9 years prior as of 292 AC)
Dowager-Queen Rhaella Targaryen (Died 284 AC, 8 years prior as of 292 AC)
Criston "the Motherfucker" Cole (Died Who Cares, however many years prior 292 AC) so that I can kill this motherfucker again. :mad:
Daeron "the Drunken" Targareyn [because he was probably maaaagic :V] (Died between 221-233 AC, 59-71 years prior to 292 AC) [This is mostly a joke. Let the poor man rest... though it would be kinda cool.]
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I think that we should really avoid bringing back Naerys Targaryen. I get that Aemon the Dragonknight was in love with her and all, but Naerys was a devout follower of the Seven. That can only end in pain if we bring her back. I'd almost say it's worth not bringing back the Dragonknight just so we can avoid the drama with Naerys.

EDIT: I mean, for god's sake, the woman would have become a septa if her father allowed it. This is not the kind of person we want to bring back from the dead. She'd almost instantly turn against us.
 
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@Duesal

In hindsight Naerys was kind of a bad idea. And yeah, Aemon's past is tragic enough that without a bit of a silver lining like Naerys being alive I wouldn't disturb his rest.

Edit: But this means you have to support me on Daeron the Drunken. That guy is a laugh and a half and probably has some spark of magic in him. Maybe even able to Dreamweave.
 
Corlys Velaryon (Died 132 AC, 160 years prior as of 292 AC)
Aemon "the Dragonknight" Targaryen (Died sometime between 178-183 AC, 114-119 years prior as of 292 AC)
Dowager-Queen Naerys Targaryen (Died sometime between 178-183 AC, 114-119 years prior as of 292 AC)
Ser Duncan the Tall (Died 259 AC, 33 years prior as of 292 AC)
Prince Daeron Targaryen [the one who presumably preferred men] and his rumored lover Jeremy Norridge (Died in 251 AC, both, 41 years prior as of 292 AC) [Both were absolute badasses, and such a package deal. Kind of silly not to.]
Princess Rhaenys Targaryen [aged 3] (Died 283 AC, 9 years prior as of 292 AC)
Princess Elia Martell (Died 283 AC, 9 years prior as of 292 AC)
Dowager-Queen Rhaella Targaryen (Died 284 AC, 8 years prior as of 292 AC)
Criston "the Motherfucker" Cole (Died Who Cares, however many years prior 292 AC) so that I can kill this motherfucker again. :mad:
Daeron "the Drunken" Targareyn [because he was probably maaaagic :V] (Died between 221-233 AC, 59-71 years prior to 292 AC) [This is mostly a joke. Let the poor man rest... though it would be kinda cool.]
 
Crake said:
@Duesal

In hindsight Naerys was kind of a bad idea. And yeah, Aemon's past is tragic enough that without a bit of a silver lining like Naerys being alive I wouldn't disturb his rest.

Edit: But this means you have to support me on Daeron the Drunken. That guy is a laugh and a half and probably has some spark of magic in him. Maybe even able to Dreamweave.
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No objections there. He wasn't a moron, he wasn't insane, potential magic, why the hell not?

I'm also toying with the idea of bringing back Daeron the Young Dragon. Yes, it's bad considering that he led an invasion of Dorne and that the Dornish murdered him while under truce. However, this would be in the far future after we've brought back Elia already (and perhaps Rhaenys if we're lucky), and the Dornish would be 100% on our side by that point.

More than that, Daeron the Young Dragon is a pretty freaking competent general. I'd love to have him. We could use him against Abyssal armies or whatever.
 
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I'd rather have the long dead stay dead.

Rhaella needs to be raised for Viserys' heart and Elia for Dorne. Others who have been dead for a while is kind off pointless in our vision for the future. I'd rather build up new legends than reviving those who have passed.

Rhaenys maybe, but what if Dorne asks for Aegon?
 
Takesis said:
I'd rather have the long dead stay dead.

Rhaella needs to be raised for Viserys' heart and Elia for Dorne. Others who have been dead for a while is kind off pointless in our vision for the future. I'd rather build up new legends than reviving those who have passed.
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I see nothing wrong with it. They could be great assets if we bring them back.

And more than that, we straight up don't have the ability to disturb their rest. The spell only works if the soul is willing to return to the realms of the living again.
 
I actually mostly agree with @Takesis.

It sort of feels dirty to exhume people solely for the purpose of putting their talents to fair use, rather than sentimental reasons, which is ironic, since that's actually a horribly irresponsible use of miraculous magic to begin with.

At best, and in all seriousness, I expect support for Rhaella, Rhaenys, and Elia who is already a given.
 
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Rhaenys maybe, but what if Dorne asks for Aegon?
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Toddlers are one thing, but babies are basically impossible to bring back. Their souls haven't developed enough.
Crake said:
I actually mostly agree with @Takesis.

It sort of feels dirty to exhume people solely for the purpose of putting their talents to fair use, rather than sentimental reasons, which is ironic, since that's actually a horribly irresponsible use of miraculous magic to begin with.

At best, and in all seriousness, I expect support for Rhaella, Rhaenys, and Elia who is already a given.
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It's not like we'd be forcing anything on them. If they answer the Resurrection and end up being brought back, that means they want to live. And sure, we're bringing them back for their talents, but why not? There's nothing wrong with that. And it's not like we're unwilling to give them things that they want in exchange. I really don't see anything wrong in this.

Granted, this is going to be far, far in the future when we actually have Resurrection diamonds to spare, so this is all currently a moot point.
 
And if Dorne asks for Aegon... we could try and probably fail.

At this point here, it would literally be spitting in our face if we managed to bring Elia and Rhaenys back but they accused us of not wanting to make another pretender to the Throne by bringing back our nephew, who I'd actually want to resurrect if it was possible, which it likely is not.

It would also be in really fucking bad taste, because Elia was the only part of any open agreement, and it would basically be requesting us to commit political suicide by bringing the claimant with a superior claim to ours back to life. The only thing that would be more direct that they could do is ask us to step down from pressing our claim and for good measure to support our nephew's over our own.
 
Yeah.

I'm also not supportive of bringing Rhaegar back unless we also bring Lyanna back, so she can beat his shit inside out until we have to put him back together again, sit his ass down, and talk to him about self fulfilling prophecies and how not even the Gods have total and complete control over Kismet and destiny itself.

Then I would lock him in the Maidenvault to think about what he's done.

But since Lyanna probably cares more about being bound to Jon so that he can use her power to protect himself, it's a non-issue, and catharsis is literally the only reason I'd bother with him.
 
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