That is actually a bit of a moral dilemma for her upon reaching SD. You see until she got here she thought all undead were just voracious or mindless monsters so yes she could kill them fine, the same way she does not agonize about the pathogens she kills when curing an illness, but she recently found out sentient and even sane undead are a thing, those are obviously people and thus under her religion brothers and sisters under the stars.
Surprisingly adaptive.

Or perhaps unsurprisingly. This is probably the natural reverse case for usual violent zealotry where their Faith's extreme factors MUST exemplify the ethos and reinforce their world view whenever presented with something that greatly conflicts with their preestablished knowledge.

Is it because Melisandre got a double shocker that rather than double down, she instead opted for "soul searching"? Perhaps, the choices the most faithful make are ones they kinda expect to echo and impact the rest of their faith, not just by sheer virtue of what they end up preaching to others but also what they use their 9th Level omgwtfbbq spells for. Those are resources that can literally warp reality, so having your head twisted around isn't a good thing for someone who's power to shape reality literally comes from the strength of their beliefs is something to leap upon and self-correct, something any that have managed to make that climb would recognize.
 
Surprisingly adaptive.

Or perhaps unsurprisingly. This is probably the natural reverse case for usual violent zealotry where their Faith's extreme factors MUST exemplify the ethos and reinforce their world view whenever presented with something that greatly conflicts with their preestablished knowledge.

Is it because Melisandre got a double shocker that rather than double down, she instead opted for "soul searching"? Perhaps, the choices the most faithful make are ones they kinda expect to echo and impact the rest of their faith, not just by sheer virtue of what they end up preaching to others but also what they use their 9th Level omgwtfbbq spells for. Those are resources that can literally warp reality, so having your head twisted around isn't a good thing for someone who's power to shape reality literally comes from the strength of their beliefs is something to leap upon and self-correct, something any that have managed to make that climb would recognize.

This is accurate, cognitive dissonance is not good for sponsored spellcasters. The must have a coherent view of their faith.
 
You all laugh, but Vow of Peace + Vow of Nonviolence is a seriously strong combo for a spellcaster focused on crowd control, enchantment and debilitation. That religion makes a lot of sense if you're a Beguiler who wants to pump his DCs sky-high.
Obviously I wouldn't suggest adopting it on a large scale when you live next to the Dothraki in an age of waning magic, but...

Wait till she meets Qyburn.
Cthulhu is a brother under the stars, yes, but the stars are wrong. The stars are wrong!
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
 
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@DragonParadox, could we take a non-Mythic Feat as a Mythic Feat if we wanted to?
I've been struck by how cool it would be for Viserys to learn Draconic Aura (Energy: Fire), which would add +3 (+4 at level 20) to the DC of [fire] spells cast within 30ft of him, including his own spells. However, IIRC Viserys won't be getting any more feats unless he burns 5000xp to Wish-bind them.

@Goldfish, does this seem worth it?
 
@DragonParadox, could we take a non-Mythic Feat as a Mythic Feat if we wanted to?
I've been struck by how cool it would be for Viserys to learn Draconic Aura (Energy: Fire), which would add +3 (+4 at level 20) to the DC of [fire] spells cast within 30ft of him, including his own spells. However, IIRC Viserys won't be getting any more feats unless he burns 5000xp to Wish-bind them.

@Goldfish, does this seem worth it?
It's possible by default to take a mythic or regular feat.

And I'm all for boosting our Fire CL to even more ridiculous levels.
 
Well the shit has not kicked in with any adverse effects yet and I have a bit of time to write. Vote closed.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Feb 19, 2021 at 10:08 AM, finished with 60 posts and 9 votes.

  • [X] Plan Farewell Speech
    -[X] Get yourself a glass of Dawn Fruit mead before entering the small stage before the eastern wing of the palace. This is a less formal setting and speech.
    -[X] "My vassals. But also my allies and my friends. And strangers of course, who may soon be counted among them. I raise my glass on you, for it would be a lonely day in a much smaller abode, were it not for you."
    -[X] "I hope you find the food and drink to your liking, and may the alchemists kindness find you in a glass near your bed in the morrow."
    -[X] "For once, I have no grand proclamations or dire portends to share with you. Tonight, all I have to say to you is 'be merry'."
    -[X] "It is hard to do and I myself find it an almost impossible task, but once in a while we all need a carefree moment of respite. A moment when we do not feel the weight of our crowns and the dread of wars fought and to be fought. A moment in which we allow ourselves to relax and to gather the strength necessary for the days to come."
    -[X] "So let us drink together on this moment of rest and peace. May it feel like a lifetime and may our worries be far while it lasts."
    -[X] Drink
    -[X] "Sadly though, as I say this, others already had to move on to the next task and for me comes the time to join them. The rebels in the west have to be dealt with. So, for now, farewell I say. May we see each other after the first dawn of the Imperium."
    -[X] Turn into a dragon and fly up until you leave the wards and can Teleport to the command post in Westhaven.
 
@DragonParadox, could we take a non-Mythic Feat as a Mythic Feat if we wanted to?
I've been struck by how cool it would be for Viserys to learn Draconic Aura (Energy: Fire), which would add +3 (+4 at level 20) to the DC of [fire] spells cast within 30ft of him, including his own spells. However, IIRC Viserys won't be getting any more feats unless he burns 5000xp to Wish-bind them.

@Goldfish, does this seem worth it?
Oh, this is amazing. Viserys is straight up bullying reality with his fire spells now.
 
@DragonParadox, could we take a non-Mythic Feat as a Mythic Feat if we wanted to?
I've been struck by how cool it would be for Viserys to learn Draconic Aura (Energy: Fire), which would add +3 (+4 at level 20) to the DC of [fire] spells cast within 30ft of him, including his own spells. However, IIRC Viserys won't be getting any more feats unless he burns 5000xp to Wish-bind them.

@Goldfish, does this seem worth it?
It depends on how deeply we want to invest in that particular aspect of Viserys' powers rather than other things. For example, the saving throw for his SotD is now DC 36, going up to 37 next Mythic rank. We can increase that by +2 by spending one use of Mythic power. Another +3 or +4 on top of all that certainly can't hurt.

Alternatively, that Mythic feat could be used to learn a new Path ability, such as Display of Charisma or just a flat +2 Charisma bonus (which would affect all of Viserys' spells).

Rather than waiting two Mythic Ranks to gain a Mythic feat to use to pick up the Draconic Aura feat, we could just retrain a feat into it on our next level up, whenever that may be. We could trade out Clinging Breath, an Expanded Arcana feat, or Merciful Spell to gain the aura.
 
It depends on how deeply we want to invest in that particular aspect of Viserys' powers rather than other things. For example, the saving throw for his SotD is now DC 36, going up to 37 next Mythic rank. We can increase that by +2 by spending one use of Mythic power. Another +3 or +4 on top of all that certainly can't hurt.

Alternatively, that Mythic feat could be used to learn a new Path ability, such as Display of Charisma or just a flat +2 Charisma bonus (which would affect all of Viserys' spells).

Rather than waiting two Mythic Ranks to gain a Mythic feat to use to pick up the Draconic Aura feat, we could just retrain a feat into it on our next level up, whenever that may be. We could trade out Clinging Breath, an Expanded Arcana feat, or Merciful Spell to gain the aura.
We very rarely use this one, so I'd opt to trade it instead. Clinging breath is pretty powerful and Metabreath feats can be used interchangeably with actual spells at Dragon Mystic 4 next level, so that's even more fun shenanigans. Clinging Shadow of the Doom, anyone?
We should have a Greater Rod of Merciful Spell, so I'm perfectly fine with swapping out this feat.
 
That is actually a bit of a moral dilemma for her upon reaching SD. You see until she got here she thought all undead were just voracious or mindless monsters so yes she could kill them fine, the same way she does not agonize about the pathogens she kills when curing an illness. But she recently found out sentient and even sane undead are a thing, those are obviously people and thus under her religion brothers and sisters under the stars.
So is she going full she must not kill undead, or just deciding that she has to check for intelligence before killing them?
 
We very rarely use this one, so I'd opt to trade it instead. Clinging breath is pretty powerful and Metabreath feats can be used interchangeably with actual spells at Dragon Mystic 4 next level, so that's even more fun shenanigans. Clinging Shadow of the Doom, anyone?
We should have a Greater Rod of Merciful Spell, so I'm perfectly fine with swapping out this feat.
We actually have Merciful spell for a very good reason, despite already having it as a Greater Metamagic Rod. When using Arcane Spellsurge, we need to have a Metamagic feat we can apply to a spell in order to cast one as a Standard Action, otherwise we can only cast as a Swift Action, which is very much suboptimal.

What I want to do is retrain Merciful Spell into Invisible Spell, which just like Merciful doesn't increase spell level. Invisible spells can be super useful. Invisible Summons are great, but imagine Invisible SotD or an Invisible Greater Black Tentacles?

To pick up Draconic Aura, I would instead retrain one of our Expanded Arcana feats. If we do that, we could just choose not to learn another 7th level spell and get rid of Resilient Sphere when we level up, which would let us keep Assay Spell Resistance and Avasculate. Resilient Sphere is nice, but we have better options now, such as a Wild Arcana'd Telekinetic Sphere, which is much better.
 
We actually have Merciful spell for a very good reason, despite already having it as a Greater Metamagic Rod. When using Arcane Spellsurge, we need to have a Metamagic feat we can apply to a spell in order to cast one as a Standard Action, otherwise we can only cast as a Swift Action, which is very much suboptimal.

What I want to do is retrain Merciful Spell into Invisible Spell, which just like Merciful doesn't increase spell level. Invisible spells can be super useful. Invisible Summons are great, but imagine Invisible SotD or an Invisible Greater Black Tentacles?

To pick up Draconic Aura, I would instead retrain one of our Expanded Arcana feats. If we do that, we could just choose not to learn another 7th level spell and get rid of Resilient Sphere when we level up, which would let us keep Assay Spell Resistance and Avasculate. Resilient Sphere is nice, but we have better options now, such as a Wild Arcana'd Telekinetic Sphere, which is much better.
What was our next mythic spell gonna be? I vaguely recall some talk about getting Spellbane next level for that purpose? Or was it something else?
 
Part MMMDCCXLVIII: Parting Words
Parting Words

Thirtieth Day of the Fourth Month 294 AC

After leaving the delegation from Walano to their musings on magic, gods, and the place of kings, you grab a glass of Dawnfruit Mead from a passing server's tray with a nod of thanks and head towards the small stage set up before the eastern wing of the palace. A far cry from a throne, and by design. "My vassals. But also my allies and my friends. And strangers of course, who may soon be counted among them. I raise my glass on you, for it would be a lonely day in a much smaller abode, were it not for you."

"Being a bit blunt about hoping to vassalize half the world, aren't you?" Dany's amused voice echoes in your thoughts, in place of Varys who had flown off for the reminder of the night, preferring to roost with her kin over planning a military campaign.

"Plausible deniability," you shoot back, smoothing out the amused smile that comes to your lips into a gracious one sweeping over your old vassals and new bannermen, guests and new acquaintances. "I hope you find the food and drink to your liking, and may the alchemist's kindness find you in a glass near your bed in the morrow."

That earns a rancorous cheer. If one knows nothing else about the Deep, then the fact that you can find a effective hangover cure here is famed from the Sunset Sea to the Jade Sea by now.

"For once, I have no grand proclamations or dire portends to share with you. Tonight, all I have to say to you is 'be merry'."

A Reacher knight whose name escapes you for the moment raises his head from the table it had just slumped on and shouts in the direction of your magic-enhanced voice. "For the last time the name is Marty, not Merry. Merry's m' sister."

Surprised silence falls, broken only by the rustling of the leaves and the whisper of water in the fountains. Before the whispers can start you note lightly: "Make that two doses of alchemist's kindness for the fine ser."

Into the renewed good cheer that follows you continue: "It is hard to do, finding good cheer, and I myself count it a most illusive task. But once in a while we all need a carefree moment of respite. A moment when we do not feel the weight of our crowns and the dread of wars fought and to be fought. A moment in which we allow ourselves to relax and to gather the strength necessary for the days to come."

"Hear, hear!" what sounds like Mace Tyrell is the first to agree, though he is quickly drowned out in what sounds like a chorus of Umbers and other northern lords without the worries of Eddard Stark.

When the garden quiets down, as quiet as it is likely to get at least, you raise up your glass and declare, "So let us drink together on this moment of rest and peace. May it feel like a lifetime and may our worries be far while it lasts," and drink the mead down in one long drought. "Sadly though, as I say this, others already had to move on to the next task and for me comes the time to join them. The rebels in the west have to be dealt with. So, for now, farewell I say. May we see each other after the first dawn of the Imperium."

The flames of sorcery shrouds you in their familiar embrace, flesh transmutes and expands, wings snap with a sound like thunder, and you rise into the air upon a wind of your own making. You make straight for the wardline, and upon crossing it will yourself to Westhaven to plan at last the war for Westeros as much as it might be called such.

What is your first target of attack and how do you move?

[] Write in

OOC: Rather short, but I felt like it fit, the break point here would have been really jarring if I continued.
 
We actually have Merciful spell for a very good reason, despite already having it as a Greater Metamagic Rod. When using Arcane Spellsurge, we need to have a Metamagic feat we can apply to a spell in order to cast one as a Standard Action, otherwise we can only cast as a Swift Action, which is very much suboptimal.

What I want to do is retrain Merciful Spell into Invisible Spell, which just like Merciful doesn't increase spell level. Invisible spells can be super useful. Invisible Summons are great, but imagine Invisible SotD or an Invisible Greater Black Tentacles?

To pick up Draconic Aura, I would instead retrain one of our Expanded Arcana feats. If we do that, we could just choose not to learn another 7th level spell and get rid of Resilient Sphere when we level up, which would let us keep Assay Spell Resistance and Avasculate. Resilient Sphere is nice, but we have better options now, such as a Wild Arcana'd Telekinetic Sphere, which is much better.
It's been a while since we used Spellsurge too.
 
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