Just like that one Red Keep spy maid who I can never remember if we released or not. Is she still in a bottle? It's been like... more than a year now.
I don't think so, actually. I regularly have to binge read this thread to catch up, and that's one of the arcs I read through all at once. Unless it was resolved off screen, the maid is still in the bottle.
 
Frankly with how much Sorcerer's Deep has changed and the Imperium has grown it may as well be 1,000 years.
Just as well, DP confirmed we let her go shortly after dealing with Varys.

I wonder what her story was? I guess it just wasn't interesting enough to figure out. She's probably doing fine now, supposing we released her in the Deep.
 
I don't think so, actually. I regularly have to binge read this thread to catch up, and that's one of the arcs I read through all at once. Unless it was resolved off screen, the maid is still in the bottle.
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Just as well, DP confirmed we let her go shortly after dealing with Varys.

I wonder what her story was? I guess it just wasn't interesting enough to figure out. She's probably doing fine now, supposing we released her in the Deep.
She was a spy for someone. One of the Kingsguard, I think Blount, was trying to go after her when we stepped in. We then hit Blount with mind control to make him go after Cersei instead, and then we bottled the maid and forgot about her for a while.

We released her. It was confirmed. Or at least I recall it being confirmed.
Well that is both a relief and oddly disappointing.
Makes sense, though I am a bit disappointed. :p It would have been amazing if she woke up to a unified Westeros.
 
The thread has a fascinating ability to perpetuate weird misinformation, which is why I'm not spelling out what I want to bribe Namaaru with until we can actually make it happen.
 
Vote closed. I'm going to try to get this out quick before I go for my shot:
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Feb 19, 2021 at 1:02 AM, finished with 97 posts and 20 votes.

  • [X] Plan That Sounds Only Slightly Megalomanical
    -[X] "I have found it to be the most important part in ruling over such diverse people to accept that they are thus and that deep in their hearts, they will always be different from each other. Too many rulers fancy themselves as the masters of their subjects and that they can shape their very souls with their acts, yet even as the centuries grind their palaces to dust and even extinguish that very culture that brought them forth, people have remained people."
    -[X] "Take the former slavers living in my realm. I have no illusion that they suddenly found respect for their fellow mans life and freedoms. Some of them always had it and you can tell them apart by how they treated those their culture deemed property with kindness and dignity, while others will always lack it, even if they were not so callous and cruel that justice demanded dark fates for them. But as I know that they will always desire to dominate, to rule and to gain power with little regard for others, I can temper them. Divert their urges to where they have to do good to achieve their desires. Where the best way to gain the influence and prestige they crave is to better the lives of those around them."
    -[X] "Likewise there will always be those who wish to be ruled in body, mind and soul, who want to give themselves fully to a cause beyond doubt and question. From those, the worst atrocities might stem, as they will zealously carry out their masters whims, but while I can not force such people to be different than they are, I can make sure their goals are just and beneficial to the realm. Were I to order my Legions to torch a city, I have no illusions that they would not do so for me and I would be a fool to deny that this is the case. But to know that such power exists makes one cautious to exercise it. To be aware of the cost of missteps makes you seek perfection in every deed. So I believe and I made sure that my generals and commanders know this truth too."
    -[X] "Even the gods are people in their own sense. They too have their natures and desires, and they too can be bargained with. I have found that for most faiths, that the cruelest and most deplorable acts committed in their names spring not from doctrine and dogma, but from the desires of those seeking to gain dominance through the trapping of faiths. Rare is the faith where the rot comes from the gods themselves and they have no place in this realm. For all others though, common ground can be found and conflict mediated. Have you seen the Temple of Unity during the parade? It is a monument to that ideal. That even the gods of water and fire, death and life, nature and man can coexist. That the gods too can put their differences aside for a greater goal that they share."
    -[X] "So, to answer you question, yes. I do find it difficult, but that does not mean impossible. And when I look around myself on days like these, seeing the fruits of these labors, I know that not a single drop of sweat was shed in vain. A symphony is greater than the sum of it's parts and to figure out how the wild and thundering drum can be woven in with the soft voice of a singer is a small price to pay for the wonders that doing so will bring."
 
Interlude MXIV: Through Familiar Eyes
Through Familiar Eyes

Thirtieth Day of the Fourth Month 294 AC

Intellectually, Varys understood why her familiar was playing this game, on some level she could play it as well as he, for they were one in mind and magic. But they were also different, one a man who would be dragon, the other a snake, and snakes were by their nature startlingly direct beings.

"I have found it to be the most important part in ruling over such diverse people to accept that they are thus, and that deep in their hearts, they will always be different from one other. Too many rulers fancy themselves as the masters of their subjects and that they can shape their very souls with their acts, yet even as the centuries grind their palaces to dust and eventually extinguish the very culture that brought them forth, people have remained people."

She thus found it to be quite amusing to feel the ripple of deception within Viserys' thoughts, like a seed planted deep in fertile soil. Many mages thought it was the serpent's long association with treachery that made those who chose them as familiar more skilled liars. In truth it was the opposite. Snakes did not lie, and so they spotted the lies in the minds of their bonded most keenly. In knowing how not to deceive themselves, they polished their art to a finer sheen when it came to the rest of the world. Case in point, the rapt expression on the face of the Lord of Last Lament.

His sorceress bride took a slightly more skeptical approach to the whole thing. "And yet you change them. The people upon these shores are not as you have found them, much less the ones who came here," she replied thoughtfully. "Even the tongues of their forefathers melt into the bubbling cauldron of trade tongue. Every man as a sailor or innkeeper in his own home, the young learning in your schools, the local notables bound to the crimson ribbons of your administrators."

"I changed nothing at the heart of it," came the reply, unwavering. Upon other lips, Varys might have called it humble, but she did not think that could be farther from the truth. "What you speak of is merely the expression of who they are, not their nature itself. A good man will be a good man, no matter the tongue he speaks, and a wicked man will be a wicked man, no matter if he drapes himself in precious silk or rough furs."

He paused and took a drink of tea, not for thirst but for effect. "Take the former slavers living in my realm. I have no illusion that they suddenly found respect for the lives and freedoms of their fellow men. Some of them always had it and you can tell them apart by how they treated those deemed property by their culture with kindness and dignity, while others will always lack it, even if they were not so callous and cruel that justice demanded dark fates for them. But as I know that they will always desire to dominate, to rule and to gain power with little regard for others, I can temper them. Divert their urges to where they have to do good to achieve their desires. Where the best way to gain the influence and prestige they crave is to better the lives of those around them."

This time is was the prince Yanda Zaq who replied, "When the men of Ghis and later those of Valyria came to our shores, we traded with them in peace and it was good for us and good for them, yet when they next came they found it better suited them to give nothing and take much, even unto the lives of our ancestors carried away in chains. It was only when we gave unto them the bright feathered gifts of the goldenheart bow that they came to respect us again and traded in peace once more. You may have put the chain of law upon the necks of slavers, but I ask you how long can it be expected to last if in their hearts they still hold the same twisted will?"

"It will endure so long as the name Imperium has any meaning at all." For a moment Viserys' thoughts flew to distant realms and far off years, so swift that even Varys could not follow it. "It stands to hope that they will change in time. Or their children after them. Though it would be folly to imagine that the darker urges in man's nature can be fully banished. The law will always have to remain. It will always have to bind those that seek to harm their fellow man, and always have to protect those who can not do so themselves."

"And yet there is a kind of slavery that law alone cannot lightly forbid, one that is still passed down by parents to their children, by those in crimson to the faithful who heed their words and brand their souls in slavery eternal." Jola Daa's eyes glowed faintly green like moonlight seen though thin leaves. "I have seen it upon them. The good as much as the wicked, all bound to the path without end, the wheel ever-turning. Him I fear more than any mortal slaver, and He is mighty indeed in your realm."

All souls bound to the wheel, Varys recalled memories not her own of a place outside of time. She saw deeply and she saw true, but she had never been given the chance to see as much as Varys and her familiar had. Daring akin to madness perhaps, but it had served them well. And so Viserys answered, words soft but sure, "Even the gods are people in their own sense."

He let the words sink in a moment, enough for an incredulous reply to form in the mind, but not fall from the lips.

"They too have their natures and desires, and they too can be bargained with. I have found that for most faiths that the cruelest and most deplorable acts committed in their names spring not from doctrine and dogma, but from the desires of those seeking to gain dominance through the trapping of faiths. Rare is the faith where the rot comes from the gods themselves, and those have no place in this realm. For all others, however, common ground can be found and conflict mediated. Have you seen the Temple of Unity during the parade? It is a monument to that ideal. That even the gods of water and fire, death and life, nature and man can coexist. That the gods too can put aside their differences for a greater goal that they share."

"I have seen the Red God through the mind of his faithful. I know why he seeks to consume the souls of men as kindling for his fire," the sorceress replied, a whispering wind swirling around her like a mantle. "The greatest evils are born of a desire to do good, that makes them all the more terrible for it."

This was no abstract pronouncement, no dogma passed down through the teachings of the Tall Trees, Varys saw. No, this was a pain that still flared bright in the mind, a scar only half-healed.

"Despair, seeing the path bleak and without hope, can all too easily make monsters," Viserys agreed somberly. "Yet while one still walks another path may open before the traveler's feet. I ask again, have you seen the Temple of Unity, spoken to the priests there? That is my hope for the gods of the realm, just as the road new built is my hope for the trader and the forges my hope for the smith."

"I... I have not seen it. We shall speak again when I know more of this, lest I speak in ignorance,"
the reply was slightly shaky in that way that thankfully neither the mouths of snakes nor dragons were made to show. It was also sincere, she thought.

So it was that Viserys Targaryen rose from his seat and bid his farewells, turning instead to the crowd at large for one last speech before war took hold in the west.

What do you say?

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OOC: Edits done. Hopefully this works better with the intent of the vote.
 
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So what? You speak of riddles and your queries sharp as your tongue. But tell me this, Sorceress. What are we supposed to do? When the world is beset by enemies beyond counting, when we live in a Sundered Plains and it's roofs are uprooted and destroyed, when our very life is despoiled for greed, amusement and boredom by things of great evil... what is your answer to this?

You seem most keen in questioning how we act, how the Structure within the Red Priesthood works under our auspices. And you claim to undertstand of their reason, of His reason to do so. And yet you still do not get it?!

The world is in ruins, woman. What else was He supposed to do? Were we not trying and striving for a better future, our only hope lies in a path where the Red God's static equilibrium with the Void as it's evil and R'hllor as the good.

Do you think that this will be painless? Without blood or sins? You're right that the means where he wishes to bind all men under him is wrong and evil, but it's better than to be butchered and despoiled by the Forces of Winter, Void, Hell or the Abyss.

What is your answer to this, o' wise woman from the Summer Isles? What balming answer can you provide? Because if you can't even answer that with a means to provide salvation for our lives, don't speak to us on such matters.
 
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Do you guys mind if I do the Lhazareen meeting from Dany's PoV and not Viserys'? She is a princess so it would still be a royal meeting IC and this gets me the chance to write this now before the shot so I can guaranteed the update up today.
 
Do you guys mind if I do the Lhazareen meeting from Dany's PoV and not Viserys'? She is a princess so it would still be a royal meeting IC and this gets me the chance to write this now before the shot so I can guaranteed the update up today.
Good for me.

[X] Religion is complicated
- [X] The relationship between the gods and the people is much more complicated than it seems at first glance.
- [X] It is not just servant and master or master and slave.
- [X] For centuries, the parishioners of the Red God were disenfranchised and oppressed.
- [X] It left a deep mark, which one you saw.
- [X] All I can do is hope that it will take less time to make this religion kinder and more tolerant.

Damn it, writing from your phone is a pain!
 
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Interlude MXV: Travelers' Ways
Travelers' Ways

Thirtieth Day of the Fourth Month 294 AC

Dany enjoyed the food and she enjoyed the lights and she especially enjoyed seeing her mother so filled with the wonder and the beauty of her art, a dragon-speaker in full, but there was only so long you could sit back and drink in the ambiance, which is to say gloat that the day had finally come. There were people to meet and things to see, there were visitors to greet and she was a princess of the Imperium. It was among her duties to make these folk feel at ease and learn of them. After all Viserys could not be everywhere, much as he tried.

So while her bother went to talk philosophy with their guests from the south she set her eyes on those from the west. She had always been curious about the men of Lhazar if not perhaps for reasons they would find flattering. Dany could understand in the abstract why you might want to be a pacifist. Even after all the battles she had fought and all the blood she had shed she could still recall the horror she had felt four and a half years ago in the gardens of Wind House on hearing the screams of the man she had cursed with agony.

That she could wrap her head around, to be a pacifist for the sake of your own peace of mind, be a hermit in the woods living off nuts and truffles and avoid those folk who would wish to do you harm rather than fight, but how could you be a pacifist around other people you cared about? How did one go about sacrificing kith and kin upon the altars of peace and the bloody blades of your enemies while you stood by never having prepared for the day? Dany was uneasily aware that she could understand the Dothraki doing the looting and the killing better than the Lhazareen who did not fight back as they should.

Of course one could not walk up to foreign envoys and say: 'Hello, my name is Daenerys Targaryen and I think your philosophy is filled with enough shit to fertilize all of Dorne', but she was skilled in the shaping of words and gestures, by insight, by memory and by experience hard earned. The young princess had learned how to ingratiate herself to others. Even better she had found that in recent months it had gotten marginally easier to just be herself rather than hide behind a mask wrought of 'childish charm'.

Maybe it was just that she was tall for her age, or maybe like Nindel maz Nua people were just more used to youthful seeming immortals and treated her like one of them. Having each of her words weighed for fey pacts was odd granted, but she would take it over the alternative.

Dany quickly arranged for the three to move into rooms in the palace along with the other delegations, much to the hidden relief of the merchant Hizdak, who had likely not anticipated the costs of living in Sorcerer's Deep when he had budgeted his stay. She spent quite a bit of time happily talking of new roads and seaborne trade divined to see its destination. There was a bit of unease there since prophecy was sacred to the Lhazareen but the priestess quickly cleared it up by pointing out that the Great Shepherd wanted his children to be prosperous and content in their lives. If parting the veil of the future would lead to that than it would be counted a good thing.

One could practically see the wheels moving around in the merchant's head at this particular theological proclamation. Still, as amusing as this was, Dany was still curious and she was bad about holding in questions. "What does He say about driving other perils to the people?"

Sirra gave her a piercing look, she had likely guessed Dany's thought, but still her tone was gentle when she replied. "Famine, plague and the comings of the restless dead, all these we are called to foretell so that the people may ward it off, but we are no battle seers to read the future in the blood of our foes and so the Men of Ghis take advantage of this, driven by the whips of devils. This is no fault of the Great Shepherd, but of the broken world in which we live. You would not find a tree under which you shelter for the night at fault because it cannot warn you of wolves prowling as the barking of a dog might. Faith should unite us all brothers under the stars. I have dedicated my life to it and leave dealing with earthly matters to those better equipped to deal with it."

She looked somberly around at her two companions and sighed. "The world is a broken place and it breaks all of us in the end, but in praising the Shepherd we might at least remember what it is to be whole."

Dany still did not agree, but she could at least understand.

OOC: And here we are, in what might be the final update of the day, a bit of world-building and a bit of characterization for Dany.
 
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