Now that I think about it, have we ever told the Shaitan's about the Fungus Forge, the war with the Efreeti are running hot at the moment, so they should be killing a lot of mooks, and unless they have something like the Fungus Forge, they are probably not using the corpses as well as we could, should we offer that any corpses they send us, we will put in the Fungus Forge, and make Soldiers for the war against the Efreeti, with an agreement that all made with their corpses, are earmarked for the war against the Efreeti, with them getting to decide where half of them should be deployed.
 
Question for the thread, what edition of Pathfinder are we using again?

I need to do some research for my PhD on my inter-dimensional fantasy physics.
 
Think of it like a tech tree we're researching. You don't start off making symbiote Voltron.

The research progress requirement on that would likely be in the hundreds.

Start small. A simple symbiotic rebreather, for example. Then move on in complexity from there. The progression should be reasonable and measured, so that useful stuff becomes available sooner rather later to justify the time investment.
If we go with downright bonded symbionts, that's definitely the case, if we just go with creatures in the shape of armor or weapons, then it shouldn't take too much research to make something powerful, we have Feeder as an example of a living weapon, we can use him as a template to make living weapons, alter it slightly, so we get a living sword instead of a dagger, and add a template that grant an useful SLA, and we have a pretty good weapon, without needing too much research.
 
...... We need to balance the scales once more....

I wonder if we could pull something akin to the World Tree with the help of the Old Gods to help anchor the divine realms? Have a mighty Heart Tree whose branches support the heavens, the trunk act as a pillar for the plane of balance, and whose roots delve into the pit....

A tree made to act as a scale to balance and hold together the shattered realms as they heal...


Another option is to find a way to sunder the pit like the heavens were shattered. I am thinking super powered ritual centered around Law as the unbalancing is one leading to Chaos and is breaking the Laws that define existence so it would make sense for Law to set things back in place....
 
...... We need to balance the scales once more....

I wonder if we could pull something akin to the World Tree with the help of the Old Gods to help anchor the divine realms? Have a mighty Heart Tree whose branches support the heavens, the trunk act as a pillar for the plane of balance, and whose roots delve into the pit....

A tree made to act as a scale to balance and hold together the shattered realms as they heal...


Another option is to find a way to sunder the pit like the heavens were shattered. I am thinking super powered ritual centered around Law as the unbalancing is one leading to Chaos and is breaking the Laws that define existence so it would make sense for Law to set things back in place....
Breaking another plane, even one the fiendish planes, is very unlikely to make anything better.
 
Breaking another plane, even one the fiendish planes, is very unlikely to make anything better.
It would cause a lot of issues but it would reset the balance if both are broken as they would be equal once again.

Probably cause a lot of shit to happen as a side effect but it would probably reset the cosmic balance.
 
I really like the first part though.

An endless network of Weirwood roots binding the planes of existance together is a really awesome picture in my head.
 
Why do we even want Bahamut? I get the storm god. He is someone who hates the Deep Ones and while fading made reasonable requests. Bahamut has no. minions, no worshippers, no people who remember him. He is the Lost God. At least the Storm Lord is remembered by story and tale and has his children (descendants) still alive. Bahamut doesn't even have that. So I see no reason to help him.

Because we want a constant counter to Tiamat, and were going to be taking a shot at her soon so having her natural counter involved could only be a good thing.

Also no one here knows Jack shit about Bahamut, we the refusal to interact with him for dumb ass assumed reasons we have little idea what he is like in this quest.
 
Interlude CDLXXXIV: A Rose Amid the Stones
A Rose Amid the Stones

Twentieth Day of the Ninth Month 293 AC

The sound of hard leather soles on stone filled the room as the auburn-haired girl paced back and forth, occasionally glancing towards the writing desk then shaking her head in annoyance. Who would even carry the message to Highgarden? She could not trust a fey for this... Well, maybe one of the gremlins bound directly to Lord Brandon, but they could barely even fly. She could just knock on the lord's door and ask to be carried by sorcery there to speak with her father and grandmother in person, but she did not even know if she would have the courage to say all the things passing through her mind aloud now.

Margaery Tyrell collapsed on the bed hands tangling in the sheets as she still struggled against the nervous energy running through her. She still remembered how rustic the unadorned oak bed and simple green sheets had seemed to her when she had first arrived, but now they were a source of comfort. This was her room, and no one would walk in here without a good reason, which meant no one would be around to see her fall apart like this or hear her curse through the iron-bound door.

"Damn the bloody Fey King and damn all bargains. I don't want to marry someone who's been asleep for longer than recorded history. I won't."

It was definitely her voice that said it and it sounded firm, commanding like when she worked magic, but it still did not feel like something she could say back home. The magic and the battles, the hours spent pouring over enchanted ice to learn a scryer's craft, they did not belong in Highgarden with its stately sculptures and fragrant orchards. The girl flinched from the path the thought lead her on as one might as one faced when with the edge of a cliff, yet still she tumbled over...

Maybe I don't belong there.

Why else would her lord father want to send her off to another world entirely if not because she had grown odd out here at the edge of the world, staring at the things that lurked beyond? And they did not even know about the worst of it, how she had spent weeks under a glamour pretending to be some fishmonger's get to help catch the influence of the Deep Ones, how she had trudged through dusty barrows and picked through bones with her own hands.

Margaery had been prepared to go to Sorcerer's Deep and be betrothed to the Dragon King, particularly since she had begun to hear more news from there than rumors carried, but not this.... not the sleeping thing that was more god than man from what she had heard. She was glad Danelle would be moving against the marriage, she was even glad of Brother Lucan's meddling, sanctimonious fool that he was.

There was really no point in writing a letter,
the girl suddenly realized. The marriage could not pass, not with two Chosen arrayed against Septon Kyle. 'Never argue about things you know the outcome of whether they favor you or not', her grandmother had said once, and it seemed a sound enough notion now.

Filled with newfound determination the girl strode from the room and headed down the winding steps and out the postern gate enjoying the fresh sea air... mostly fresh at least. The telltale trail of smoke rising from the castle's forge marked Ser Garth's successful return with sea-gold to spare.

The temptation to head out and try to figure out just what magics were being used to cleanse gold gifted by the Deep Ones was no small thing, but she held her peace. Such metal might not be as perilous here as in the hands of the damned souls who took it as payment from their new masters, but it still carried a heavy enough curse that Lord Brandon had specifically told her not to get near, and he usually erred on the side that got her into fights with trolls... not that she had minded it in the end. It was even funny now that she could laugh about it without broken ribs burning like fire.

So instead she wandered down from the keep and into the town, a glamour warding her features as she pondered how much it had changed since she had first seen it... and how much it had changed her.

OOC: Less character interaction than I might have preferred. Hopefully the character portrait works as is.
 
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Staff Notice: Rule 3: Might want to chill out a little on the hostility here.
Because we want a constant counter to Tiamat, and were going to be taking a shot at her soon so having her natural counter involved could only be a good thing.

Also no one here knows Jack shit about Bahamut, we the refusal to interact with him for dumb ass assumed reasons we have little idea what he is like in this quest.
We refuse because he acted like a dick to our sister who was six years old. And by all accounts he is a prick with a holier than thou attitude, you guys would get along famously I imagine.
 
We refuse because he acted like a dick to our sister who was six years old. And by all accounts he is a prick with a holier than thou attitude, you guys would get along famously I imagine.
I understand the frustration with the argument (all over again for the nth time) but this isn't worth it. Let's lay this to rest and focus on other things.
 
I know you have your stance on this, but I am very much not in favor of destroying the multiverse. That is my Bad End.
It's one of my bad ends as well, I was just saying that in the short term it could be for the better, so if you had a plan for preventing the destruction of the Multiverse, then it could be a good idea.

Say if you worked out a way to rebuild Elysium, but in order for it to work, you had to get rid of the Daemons, so you shattered Abaddon hastening Multiversal destruction, but then you rebuilt Elysium, slowing Multiversal destruction down again.
 
It's one of my bad ends as well, I was just saying that in the short term it could be for the better, so if you had a plan for preventing the destruction of the Multiverse, then it could be a good idea.

Say if you worked out a way to rebuild Elysium, but in order for it to work, you had to get rid of the Daemons, so you shattered Abaddon hastening Multiversal destruction, but then you rebuilt Elysium, slowing Multiversal destruction down again.
The universe is not a Lego set that you can break apart and reassemble at will, cannibalizing parts and making it up as you go along.
 
It's one of my bad ends as well, I was just saying that in the short term it could be for the better, so if you had a plan for preventing the destruction of the Multiverse, then it could be a good idea.

Say if you worked out a way to rebuild Elysium, but in order for it to work, you had to get rid of the Daemon's, so you shattered Abaddon hastening Multiversal destruction, but then you rebuilt Elysium slowing Multiversal destruction down again.
Rebuilding an entire plane is far from trivial. Attack the daemons all you want, but destroying a pillar of creation is not a solution.

EDIT: Faceless'd.

But yes, this is a terrible idea that I'm not taking seriously.
 
The universe is not a Lego set that you can break apart and reassemble at will, cannibalizing parts and making it up as you go along.

Huh. I'm guessing, if one were to try and translate from Far Realm to Planes of Existence, that the Elder Brains and their patsys/slaves(?) would disagree with that assertion?

Also, am slightly disappointed myself that we can't, but am less so now that the Lower Planes (note, I mean the planes themselves, not their inhabitants) have been presented not as cancer, but as kidneys.

Also, anyone else getting Stephen King's Tower series vibes of the "maybe don't replace the natural fundamental laws of physics with something that requires maintenance" variety from this? I am.
 
Rebuilding an entire plane is far from trivial. Attack the daemons all you want, but destroying a pillar of creation is not a solution.

EDIT: Faceless'd.

But yes, this is a terrible idea that I'm not taking seriously.
It wasn't a serious idea, it was an out there possibility, a way to say that there theoretically might be a situation, where destroying a Plane would be a net positive.
 
... Hey @Goldfish, you think Vaela Naelator, the now level 5 Cleric of the Merling King in Amrelath's party, could be a good Keeper of the Cerulean Sign? If not, what prestige class should she have?
Whether she could be one or not isn't in question, because she definitely could. The issue is whether she should. There are better options for her that will make her more useful to Amrelath and more likely to survive as his vassal.
 
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