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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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DragonParadox said:
That would take a minor research action to figure out.
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Duesal said:
Now the only big issue is a lack of light. Solving that would be very handy for when the Long Night comes knocking.
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Would this, by any cahnce, be a better way of doing things?
-[] Also attempt to find cavern-dwelling forestry, ideally a tree that could survive even the harshest conditions Plane of Earth has to offer... Or someone who could find such a tree.
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We have contacts.
Djinn already have someone searching for Ice-immune trees, wouldn't Shaitan be a better choice to go through first?
If we are lucky, we'll need but to do another "splice Heart Tree with another forestry"-action, instead of figuring stuff out piece-by-piece.
 
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Noobody77 said:
Real disappointing that the larger story has boiled down to grimderp. Hopefully we won't focus on it and the authors newfound love for edge too much, and instead just continue doing stuff in the mortal realm, cause we absolutely won't get to it before this quest dies, I mean look how long it took us to get here (how many IRL years and we are an above average mortal empire?) and we are closer to where we started than we are to ever being able to fix this.
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The world building involved has always had the Others, and the force they joined with, the ending-force, as part of it. It has always been there. Now is when the thread is looking at it directly.

And with regard to grimderp:

DragonParadox said:
It's not grimderp. I hate those sorts of settings. You guys can win this, hell you have a plan to craft an imperial god stronger than any ordinary religious god could ever hope to be, you are working to overthrow the Brazen throne. Where do you think the armies of the Djinn and the Shaitan will go next if that happens?
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@egoo to be pedantic, there was One apology for such behaviour. But literally everything else has been a complaint or a suggestion to "take a break" in a way that looks demotivational coming from this poster.

@Noobody77 again, if you have nothing constructive, or even just "well meaning fun" to add, just.. stop.
 
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egoo said:
Would this, by any cahnce, be a better way of doing things?
We have contacts.
Djinn already have someone searching for Ice-immune trees, wouldn't Shaitan be a better choice to go through first?
If we are lucky, we'll need but to do another "splice Heart Tree with another forestry"-action, instead of figuring stuff out piece-by-piece.
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Try this for more explicit wording.

-[] See what must be done to make a Weirwood Heart Tree thrive even without sunlight. Collect the necessary plants and trees for research and set about replicating those abilities in the Weirwoods.
 
Slacker said:
I frankly agree it's time to tap on Bahamut and see what's up. Maybe after the Golden Company gets shanked for narrative flow.
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That would be a good time, having taken out a lot of Tiamat worshippers, should make the diplomacy slightly easier.

Also since DP has said Fungus Forge equipment creatures are an interesting idea, how ridiculous do we want to get on that, just armor and weapon creatures, or do we want to design everything from boot creatures, to helmet creatures, to ring creatures?
One Autumn Leaf said:
I dont know about the others but I am not touching the bahamut argument with a 30ft pole. I genuinely do not know the exact details of what happened but I remember being so pissed after the fact that Bahamut, just the name, makes me angry.

Edit: Made me angry. Past tense.
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The whole grudge against Bahamut, was because his divine nature meant, that when we died and Tiamat came to Dany with an offer, he stood by and watched, treating Tiamat's offer as a test for Dany, where if Dany rejected Tiamat, he would resurrect us for free.

Personally I think he did that because Dany is red dragon blooded, and so Tiamat had dibs on her, meaning even if he wanted to, he couldn't approach her before Tiamat had her chance, if Dany had been gold dragon blooded, he would probably still have tested her, but his test wouldn't have involved Tiamat, him making Tiamat's offer her test was him being nice, as he couldn't prevent her from making that offer, and so he decided, that instead of making a second test Dany had to pass, if she rejected Tiamat, she would have proven to have moral fortitude, to be deserving of his gift.

Divine law constrain him, and I believe for him to have a chance at working with a Chromatic, the Chromatic must first have rejected Tiamat, until that point they simply can't hear him.
DragonParadox said:
You need an action to design them. It's an entire tech line.
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Ok, but do we need to study equipment creatures such as Dany's dagger, or can we just design them on the fly?
 
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One Autumn Leaf said:
I keep forgetting to ask the Xorn to grab some. Also yes I would greatly enjoy growing diamonds.
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We need trees that grow without light, trees that are immune to ice, trees that are immune to acid, trees that can grow underwater (Waterwood), and trees that have DR (probably ironwood).

All of these will be eventually subsumed by the Weirwood Heart Trees.
 
@DragonParadox, so our Calligraphy Wyrms have a feature where they just need to eat 200 IM worth of gold and they'll self-replicate as @MTB pointed out. How much progress to research this feature and potentially make it available for other kinds of constructs?
 
tarrangar said:
Ok, that's something I'm definitely voting for doing next month, combining equipment creatures, should allow us to push the CR of the troops we make in the Fungus Forge by at least 3, probably 4 or 5.
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If you do so, I'd propose you write up an explanation why you think that's worthwile and add a few examples where the equipment creature has advantages over plain equipment. Make it short and to the point, that way you may convince people of the worth of the idea and, therefore, to vote for it.
 
@Duesal no, the next thing we need to research is live wood.

It's wood that can be cut off the tree, crafted into equipment, and still be alive.

For all that people like to give @tarrangar shit he is 100% right about the living equipment idea.

We are a billion times closer to the biological singularity than the technological one.

We need more flesh forges and we need templates. We need a fuck load of templates.

Almost every research action we have taken so far has been pushing is towards that goal and it's time we hammer out the framework for it.

I'll whip up a research action when I get back from work, but I strongly believe biotech is the way forward for our empire.

What are everyone's thoughts on this?
 
tarrangar said:
Ok, that's something I'm definitely voting for doing next month
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*weary sigh*
Before you try pushing for something, as you do in your usual obnoxious way, please at least have the courtesy to have more-or-less concrete wording on the action, and get the exact numbers from DP or Azel with that.

And what MTB said, please at least try to explain to us how is that going to be better that crafting/buying stuff (with our budget)... where creatures made in Mossforge would get us twice the numbers without that "living equipment" to go along them.
Numbers matter.

Mind you, next month we are going to be much, much busy with RAs already.
We need to start on Necromancy (to deal with aftereffects of Undead... everywhere, really; if nothing else); we have tons of powerful items to identify/craft/repair; we have runelore, Feylore; Valyrian lore to research...
etc.
 
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zxzx24 said:
@Duesal no, the next thing we need to research is live wood.

It's wood that can be cut off the tree, crafted into equipment, and still be alive.

For all that people like to give @tarrangar shit he is 100% right about the living equipment idea.

We are a billion times closer to the biological singularity than the technological one.

We need more flesh forges and we need templates. We need a fuck load of templates.

Almost every research action we have taken so far has been pushing is towards that goal and it's time we hammer out the framework for it.

I'll whip up a research action when I get back from work, but I strongly believe biotech is the way forward for our empire.

What are everyone's thoughts on this?
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Can you explain the benefits of this? It sounds neat on the surface, but what would the mechanics of this be? What advantages does this have over regular gear?
 
Duesal said:
@DragonParadox, so our Calligraphy Wyrms have a feature where they just need to eat 200 IM worth of gold and they'll self-replicate as @MTB pointed out. How much progress to research this feature and potentially make it available for other kinds of constructs?
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Working on Warforged tech and other living brass works will be more fruitful as a baseline than trying to jump right to Calligraphy Wyrms, they are in spite of their modest role one of the most advanced constructs Lya has ever seen (due to their ease of replication)

Crake said:
I want to see what the Littlest Tyrell thinks of Targaryen foreign policy. :V
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I'll be doing that next then
 
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DragonParadox said:
Working on Warforged tech and other living brass works will be more fruitful as a baseline than trying to jump right to Calligraphy Wyrms, they are in spite of their modest role one of the most advanced constructs Lya has ever seen (do to their ease of replication)



I'll be doing that next then
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Oh, no doubt. They're definitely our most advanced constructs.

Still, would you mind giving us a progress estimation if we were to jump straight to them? For now we're definitely focusing on Warforged instead, but I am curious.
 
tarrangar said:
I'm feeling just slightly ignored, why do none want to talk about Bahamut or growing equipment creatures in the Fungus Forge, I get not liking the ideas, but it just seem that no one has anything to say about them at all, sorry if I'm sounding pushy, but I just get insecure when my ideas get no comments at all, it's worse than having them shot down, and it's a struggle not to go into tilt, and repeat them again and again.

If this is annoying, then sorry for letting my neuroses affect the thread.
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I am refusing to answer because my answers would be very, very rude.

Bahamut is absolutely not a priority. We're super busy, and he's irrelevant. Let's fix our own problems before jumping down yet another pointless sidequest.
Fungus Forge is amazing, and we can/should do more with it. I'm just didn't understand what the heck you were trying to do with it.
 
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egoo said:
Stop.
Just fffucking stop.

...Can you stop?
Having read through your comments since Concalve, I want nothing but calling some mods down on you.
You seem very purposefully grabbing onto every single case of anything potentially unsatisfying, and firing upon DP and Azel from there.
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Ah. This time he is not really wrong. Except the story was always grimdark since we always had hints that the heavens were fucked up.

The Three supreme and supposedly Eternal planes of Good lie broken and ruled by farspawn and hellspawn now, while the mortal realm is assailed by countless threat with the closest thing to the "good guy" with a miniscule chance at fixing everything being sorta evil himself(as Azel likes to remind us all). It's plenty grimdark. Most grimdark Settings also leave a small chance for getting things better as well.

Though, I don't see anything wrong with it. I always enjoyed those settings.

I am just really confused why DP doesn't think it's grimdark. It lines up pretty well with several grimdark novel series I have read.
 
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Duesal said:
Can you explain the benefits of this? It sounds neat on the surface, but what would the mechanics of this be? What advantages does this have over regular gear?
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Take a creature ability? Throw it into the fungus forge.

Print a thousand magic weapons with that power.

Astral dreadnaught flashlights anyone?

Livewood - Eberron Unlimited

Live wood in it's natural state doesn't grow, but nature magic CAN prompt it too. This means it would likely be affected by healing magic, and possibly more if we can kludge a familiar like bond between the person wearing live wood and the item (hello soul lore).

We can also use it to make fire immune everything.

We're simply also set up for it. We have the fungus forge, and the bodies, and the nature GODS.
 
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