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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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egoo said:
Shall I add asking our Jinn allies for a place to grow a Heart Tree on PoA next month?
They might just have a piece of rock big/deep enough floating around.

Also, we need a Fire!Heart Tree given to Salamanders, maybe.
They will protect it if we ask... And even if dangerous, OGs will get a lot out of that planar connection.
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Heart Trees can't grow in the Plane of Air. They need earth conceptually in order to take root, and the Plane of Air simply doesn't have enough.

The Salamanders could definitely get their own Heart Trees if they agree. I was also going to grow Amrelath his own tree once he carves out his territory.
 
egoo said:
Also, we need a Fire!Heart Tree given to Salamanders, maybe.
They will protect it if we ask... And even if dangerous, OGs will get a lot out of that planar connection.
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Not the Salamander.

They will likely be wiped by the Brazen Throne long before it falls.
We set them up as pawns and can't really offer enough support to deter a strong anti-insurgence troop from the City of Brass yet.
 
Duesal said:
Heart Trees can't grow in the Plane of Air.
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...huh?
Wasn't the requirment "a very deep-reaching amount of soil for roots to go into", and a leyline to reach into?

I think we should at least ask if there's anything avaliable.
maybe on the border of PoE and PoA?
There should be some trade posts with decent guard around...
 
Artemis1992 said:
Not the Salamander.

They will likely be wiped by the Brazen Throne long before it falls.
We set them up as pawns and can't really offer enough support to deter a strong anti-insurgence troop from the City of Brass yet.
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I don't think that's going to happen. While the Salamanders rebelling would normally be a death sentence, right as they rebelled the Djinn joined the war. The Brazen Throne is far too occupied to stamp them out.
egoo said:
...huh?
Wasn't the requirment "a very deep-reaching amount of soil for roots to go into", and a leyline to reach into?

I think we should at least ask if there's anything avaliable.
maybe on the border of PoE and PoA?
There should be some trade posts with decent guard around...
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You could certainly look around, but I really doubt we're going to find a good place in the Plane of Air for a Heart Tree.
 
@Duesal, please add summoning the Ravens now, and letting OGs see shitfest that Heavens apparently turned to first-hand.
I think they need a wake-up call.
:/
 
So that is thing now. Can we please finally conquer westros. Those smug bastards are becoming too troublesome. The longer we wait the stronger the opposition going to be. So can we please invade. Also, throw the far plain at the demons.
 
Duesal said:
A tree for the Xorn seems like a good first step in Bloodraven gathering whatever intel he needs on the planes. I hope that he gets enough to allow us to safely grow trees in the cities of heaven.
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I do NOT want the Old God's first exposure to the planes to be the wastes of the Upper Planes. That, that would not be healthy for them. I think Earth would be the most familiar for them, and the sooner we get that done, the sooner they can start to acclimatise.

@egoo please add to the Minor Action list "Heart Tree for the Xorn in Earth

To help, somehow, to support the refuges of the upper planes, there is the hope to grow heart trees there, but that should not be the Old Gods first expansion to outside the Plane Of Balance. Now the Xorn are more powerful and wealthy, they may well be ready to have a heart tree grown. Ask them, and commune with the local landwarden to try and get a tree grown.
 
Acolyte said:
So that is thing now. Can we please finally conquer westros. Those smug bastards are becoming too troublesome. The longer we wait the stronger the opposition going to be. So can we please invade. Also, throw the far plain at the demons.
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We can't.
We attack now - Tiamat and Illithids swarm us and fuck our shit up.
Also, our ermies aren't ready.
We can take Westeros, but we need to be efficient about it, or we jsut fuck shhit up further.
 
Duesal said:
I don't think that's going to happen. While the Salamanders rebelling would normally be a death sentence, right as they rebelled the Djinn joined the war. The Brazen Throne is far too occupied to stamp them out.
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They have already stamped out lesser rebellions.

Remember the example made of ssome rebellious Fire Giants?

I don't know the strategic situation well enough to be sure, so I have no idea if the generals of the Sultan will decide that they can spare the troops to clean up their backyard and secure the flow of ressources from there, but it's definitly a possibility.

The point when we can actually ensure the security of a Tree for the Salamander is when the City itself is under siege, not one day earlier.
 
Duesal said:
It's already been successfully voted on. There's no reason for @Azel or @DragonParadox to deviate from that in the upcoming updates when we visit the last city in Heaven.
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Azel said:
AN: Giving you a chance here to ask further questions or refine your plans for returning to Heaven in light of new information.
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Just being through, @Duesal.
EDIT: Azel'd, lol
BeepSmile said:
I do NOT want the Old God's first exposure to the planes to be the wastes of the Upper Planes. That, that would not be healthy for them. I think Earth would be the most familiar for them, and the sooner we get that done, the sooner they can start to acclimatise.
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They would just see things, not "get the full exposure" raising a Heart Tree would do.
Ravens are far lesser a foci.
 
BeepSmile said:
I do NOT want the Old God's first exposure to the planes to be the wastes of the Upper Planes. That, that would not be healthy for them. I think Earth would be the most familiar for them, and the sooner we get that done, the sooner they can start to acclimatise.

@egoo please add to the Minor Action list "Heart Tree for the Xorn in Earth

To help, somehow, to support the refuges of the upper planes, there is the hope to grow heart trees there, but that should not be the Old Gods first expansion to outside the Plane Of Balance. Now the Xorn are more powerful and wealthy, they may well be ready to have a heart tree grown. Ask them, and commune with the local landwarden to try and get a tree grown.
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You're panicking for nothing. I even outlined out in the passage you quoted that they would have a tree grown near the Xorn's chambers first.

"A tree for the Xorn seems like a good first step in Bloodraven gathering whatever intel he needs on the planes."

EDIT: And aside from the Heart Tree, they've already seen the other realms. We used the staff in the Plane of Earth.
Artemis1992 said:
They have already stamped out lesser rebellions.

Remember the example made of ssome rebellious Fire Giants?

I don't know the strategic situation well enough to be sure, so I have no idea if the generals of the Sultan will decide that they can spare the troops to clean up their backyard and secure the flow of ressources from there, but it's definitly a possibility.

The point when we can actually ensure the security of a Tree for the Salamander is when the City itself is under siege, not one day earlier.
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Possible, but I doubt it. They were already at a stalemate with just the Shaitan. With the Djinn joining as well I very much doubt they have the manpower to go around stomping petty rebellions.
 
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rippleuser344 said:
Question theoretically how much power would we need to survive this complete cluster fuck that is our situation? Like i'm talking do we need to become god as well as uniting together all the crazies on the material plane? Are we desperate enough that we might be willing to piss off mammon even more by saying invading his plane for sacrifices?
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We just found out the Upper Planes are in shambles, and filled with Fiends and evil Farspawn, there's no reason to invade lower planes for sacrifices, the hunting sound to be just as good on the Upper Planes, and every sacrifice we capture there, give the survivors there a little bit of breathing room.

Is there any way to upgrade our Legionaires enough, that with higher level PC support, they would be able to survive fighting in the Upper Planes?

Maybe if we ally with one of the Fortress cities, walls and Celestial support, might allow them to stand a chance, and while it wouldn't get us sacrifices, I doubt the Fortress cities has much use for the bodies, so sending some of our most elite Legionaires to help, might gain us an ally, and a lot of corpses for the Fungus Forge.

Edit also no one going to discuss my suggestion to ally with Bahamut? There was talk of allying with Asmodeus, when we are throwing that out there, I think we should at least consider, letting go of our grudge against Bahamut.
 
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egoo said:
They would just see things, not "get the full exposure" raising a Heart Tree would do.
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Oh, yeah, I'm not talking about the raven thing at all with this, just pushing to get the Xorn tree grown as soon as reasonably possible.

Still think we should warn bloodraven via a single message before summoning any birds mind, you... don't wanna see that shit without some sort of warning to brace yourself, imo.
 
Duesal said:
Possible, but I doubt it. They were already at a stalemate with just the Shaitan. With the Djinn joining as well I very much doubt they have the manpower to go around stomping petty rebellions.
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They have the manpower.
The question is wether they think spending it there is worth it.

@DragonParadox @Azel
Can we get an estimate how valuable the Salamander-lands are?
How much retaking them would help the Brazen Throne vs how much it would cost them?
 
Now that we know what is going on, we need to carefully plan out our future steps. The scope of the challenge is utterly immense, but that just means we need to break things down into bite size chunks.

The first thing I would do is summon every major/chosen religious figure we know is Essos & Westeros and layout what has happened. We need to hammer out an alliance against the darkness, a Concordat of Light.

Next we need to do some serious conquering and we need to do as soon as possible. All our energy needs to be directed in securing our power base and growing it by conquest and alliances for whichever works best with who we are dealing with.
Our first three major wars need be against:
The Brazen Throne
Robert the Usurper
The Bloodstone Emperor

But we also need to do the best we can to not end up fighting a war on multiple fronts.
So we need plans that tip the scales in our favor, after all if it's a fair fight we are doing something wrong.
Also it's time to reach deep into the bag of dirty tricks, like what we did to the Lannister's ships and wood supplies. We need to look for low input/high impact actions.
Asymmetrical Warfare to distract and disorient our foes, then Blitzkrieg.

So here is the big question who do we strike first?
The Bloodstone Emperor probably will be the last of the 3 due to how are plans are going.
But do we stick to the plan and Strike the Brazen Throne first, or while we are laying the groundwork for that war, do we leave the majority of the fighting to our allies and Blitzkrieg Westeros?
 
@Duesal you need to not fucking ask him to play tour guide. His job is EVEN MORE important now and your taking him away from it for an INCREDIBLY pointless reason.
 
Goldfish said:
Awesome!

How many Griffon Knights are there?

Also, I really hope they aren't focusing on using lances as weapons. They should primarily be mounted aerial archery supplemented by Alchemical munitions.

I'll put a Launcher for each of them on next months's crafting schedule, too.
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Charging with lances gives absurd damage, and they can combine it with dive attacks from the griffons which are also amazing.
 
DarkObelisk said:
Now that we know what is going on, we need to carefully plan out our future steps. The scope of the challenge is utterly immense, but that just means we need to break things down into bite size chunks.

The first thing I would do is summon every major/chosen religious figure we know is Essos & Westeros and layout what has happened. We need to hammer out an alliance against the darkness, a Concordat of Light.

Next we need to do some serious conquering and we need to do as soon as possible. All our energy needs to be directed in securing our power base and growing it by conquest and alliances for whichever works best with who we are dealing with.
Our first three major wars need be against:
The Brazen Throne
Robert the Usurper
The Bloodstone Emperor

But we also need to do the best we can to not end up fighting a war on multiple fronts.
So we need plans that tip the scales in our favor, after all if it's a fair fight we are doing something wrong.
Also it's time to reach deep into the bag of dirty tricks, like what we did to the Lannister's ships and wood supplies. We need to look for low input/high impact actions.
Asymmetrical Warfare to distract and disorient our foes, then Blitzkrieg.

So here is the big question who do we strike first?
The Bloodstone Emperor probably will be the last of the 3 due to how are plans are going.
But do we stick to the plan and Strike the Brazen Throne first, or while we are laying the groundwork for that war, do we leave the majority of the fighting to our allies and Blitzkrieg Westeros?
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Your plan completely misses out on the fact that Tiamat and Illithids (ones on PoB) are very much active actors that would try to bring us down the moment they can.
We need to take them down before taking Westeros.

Then Brazen Throne, probably.
Timeline seems to be in... 5-6 months?

Bloodstone Emperor... is trouble. But he's also far away from us.
Best we can do, is ensure Yi Ti keeps together and can take down B!Emperor's advances if any happen.
 
Just a reminder, the Trees are a conduit to the OG, we might want to be a little careful where we plant them.
 
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