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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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DragonParadox said:
On treasure and cashes of lore: Provenience of the Enchanted Clasp and the Assassin Beetle is a skilled Uniila enchanter in Dis who has offered her services at a premium after news arrived of the slaying of her blood-sister at the hands of the King. She is a free agent not associated with any one Arch-Devil but sitting at the core of a large group of agents. Scrying immediately was deemed too likely to alert her, though divination have proven that it should be possible to scry her with the information contained in the Tome of the Cabal Devil.
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Siduri will probably be a useful resource in dealing with this.
 
Azel said:
Don't you trust @Duesal's filing system to properly keep track of these things?
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Generally speaking I do, but I feel like putting the 25% for caster and 35% for True Outsider behind someone's name might lower their chances of survival, you get the idea?
Duesal said:
Claw sheaths that give the worn creature's claws the keen property and count as evil for the purposes of overcoming damage residence.CL 7CL 7NoneCL 7CL 7
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@Duesal Why are those in the Larder?
Keen claws are great for anyone, Amrelath or Relath or maybe Theon's Raptor could use those.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Mar 25, 2019 at 3:34 AM, finished with 225 posts and 21 votes.
  • [X] Goldfish
    [X] Spread the following rumor: Rhaellas return is clearly a miracle granted by the Mother, both for her heartfelt desire to return to her children and as a favor bestowed by the Seven on Viserys Targaryen to dispel the vicious rumors and godless hatred leveled at him by those parts of the Faith that have taken to preach with Lannister gold instead of the Seven Pointed Star.
    [X] KISS
    -[X] We brought her back, some powerful mages can bring back willing souls from the dead. In markets like Embra's home you can even buy scrolls to allow lesser mages to do it.
    -[X] It is, strange as it may seem, no greater miracle than any other work of magic and does not require any particular price besides very expensive gems.
    [X] Plan Having Our Cake and Eating it, Too.
    -[X] Admit that we brought her back, as some powerful mages Resurrect willing souls from the dead. In markets like Embra's home you can even buy scrolls to allow lesser mages to do it.
    -[X] It is, strange as it may seem, no greater miracle than any other work of magic and does not require any particular price besides very expensive gems. We have made use of such magics several times in the past, to no ill effect.
    -[X] Despite admitting the truth, use the various methods of spreading propaganda available to us to disseminate the following rumor: Rhaella's return is clearly a miracle granted by the Mother, both for her heartfelt desire to return to her children and as a favor bestowed by the Seven on Viserys Targaryen to dispel the vicious rumors and godless hatred leveled at him by those parts of the Faith that have taken to preach with Lannister gold instead of the Seven Pointed Star.
    [X] Plan Having Our Cake and Eating it, Too.
    -[X] Admit that we brought her back, as some powerful mages Resurrect willing souls from the dead. In markets like Embra's home you can even buy scrolls to allow lesser mages to do it.
    -[X] It is, strange as it may seem, no greater miracle than any other work of magic and does not require any particular price besides very expensive gems.
    -[X] Despite admitting the truth, use the various methods of spreading propaganda available to us to disseminate the following rumor: Rhaella's return is clearly a miracle granted by the Mother, both for her heartfelt desire to return to her children and as a favor bestowed by the Seven on Viserys Targaryen to dispel the vicious rumors and godless hatred leveled at him by those parts of the Faith that have taken to preach with Lannister gold instead of the Seven Pointed Star.
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Valyrian Steel Variants/Sacrifice Type 		Primary Effects Offensive Primary Effects Defensive Secondary Effects Quirks and other effects
Outsider Evil Subtype +2, Ignores Hardness below 20 as Adamant +2
Treated as a +1 Item for the price of further Enchantments.

Adding Fire and Spell resistance to armor is cheaper than normal
Corrodes other metal through prolonged contact.

Slowly absorbs and re-emmits ambient magic in slightly altered form to unknown effect or purpose.
Outsider Chaotic Subtype        
Outsider Lawful Subtype        
Outsider Good Subtype        
Further Types, Subtypes or mixes thereof following once we experimented a bit        
Spellsteel's Blessing (Blood Magic, Major)

School: Transmutation: Level 7

Casting Time: Varies depending on forging time

Material Components: 100 lbs of Hellforged Iron or 2,500 Gold worth of arcane reagents for every 50 lbs of Valyrian Steel

Blood Component: 1 HD of sacrificed fiend per 50 lbs of Valyrian Steel

Required Caster: None (Special: requires dragonfire)

Secondary Casters: None (Currently requires wishcraft to stand in for specialized enchantments)

Skill Checks: Craft (Smithing) DC 25, 1 success; Knowledge (Arcana) DC 20, 3 successes

Backlash: Caster registers as an Evil Outsider to detection magics for one day

Effect: Creates Valyrian Steel

Failure: Caster becomes possessed by the spirit of the sacrificed fiend (Will save negates)

@Duesal Is that all we know so far?

My next suggestion would be to use a Demon or Daemon for Steel Creation to see if the type of fiend changes something, or if all fiends cause the same results.
 
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Artemis1992 said:
My next suggestion would be to use a Demon or Daemon for Steel Creation to see if the type of fiend changes something, or if all fiends cause the same results.
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So far we made our VS out of one Devil and a few tons of it from Chaotic Evil Fiendish Spiders.

I would rather wait until next month when the Mammon Machine finishes. I'm confident we will have an easier time learning more about the process by substituting essence of Law.
 
Artemis1992 said:
While the spiders where CE the Fiendish Creature template does not actually give any alignment-subtype, so it propably would count as a generic fiend?
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So would a Daemon.

Hence me wanting to try a significantly different base material. We should investigate the broad strokes before trying to decipher subtle differences.

I would give it good odds that with enough research, we could make VS that has very exacting properties, but before we fine-tune the "alloy" we have, we should test different base materials.
 
You know, I have been thinking. We will need some kind of universal labeling system for hazardous magical substances and artifacts to avoid infections. If we use some kind of symbol to denote it it will also allow us to easily slap it on and anybody, no matter their language, would know "Whatever is in there can kill or harm you if you open it".

It will need to meet six design criteria.

1. It needs to be visually striking, immediately drawing attention and ensuring it is hard to miss. Simple shapes like a colored square or a circle are not acceptable.

2. It needs to be unique and unambiguous so it won't be confused with any other symbols used for other purposes or letters in other languages.

3. It has to be quickly recognizable and easily recalled by those who see it. Something memorable and sticks in the head for a while.

4. Has to be easy to stencil (or at least easy to draw) to ensure it can be put up quickly and easily without needing an artist to do it.

5. It has to be rotationally symmetrical so it is identical from all angles so it will be able to be recognized no matter what angle you look at it.

6. It has to be acceptable to groups from all backgrounds (save maybe demons and such) to ensure we are not offending anyone by using it. Imagine using a symbol associated with some evil villain in our allies history. We should check with other groups to ensure we don't end up doing something like that by accident.

Now, the best way to meet a great deal of these goals is to design a symbol that is both memorable but has no preassociated meaning to it.

Now, my idea is to take samples from a large group of people. Maybe even do so on other planes and even kingdoms.

Lets do something like this.

Design 6 new symbols that have no intrinsic or historical meaning as far as we can tell and 18 common symbols that common folk and nobles would both recognize (A horse, a sword, etc) and have 300 individuals from 25 different major cities/settlements look at them.

Participants are asked to guess what each symbol meant. Use the amount of time they take to decide what each symbol meant, what exactly they said to assign it a "Meaningfulness score" (ex: saying the horse meant sword after ten minutes of thinking would put it very low on the meaningfulness score) between 1 and a 100.

Wait a week and then show the participants the same 24 symbols in addition to 36 more. The participants are asked to identify which symbols they remembered seeing in the previous round.

The one that is most commonly remembered with the lowest meaningfulness score will be our "Danger" Symbol.

This will allow for standardization across branches of government and the military allowing both to easily mark areas as having magical hazards and prevent most people from walking head first into them.



So... What do you think of the idea? I blame to much history documentaries and a couple of classes about how symbols related to things historically.

I am proposing this to avoid the pitfalls of not having a standardized symbol for danger that we can easily and quickly put up that is understood across language barriers.
 
I think you focus far too much on symbolism and not enough on practicality. A single all-purpose warning sign is next to useless when it can denote everything from mildly caustic fluids to the still beating heart of an Elder Evil. Furthermore, a complicated symbol compromises a lot of the other functions of the label.

Using simple geometric shapes with clear patterns and methods to denote additional, detailed information is vastly preferable.
 
Azel said:
A single all-purpose warning sign is bext to useless when it can denote everything from mildly caustic fluids to the still beating heart of an Elder Evil. Furthermore, a complicated symbol compromises a lot of the other functions of the label.
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Maybe a set of 5 maybe? Each one having a different level of danger?

Also, the symbol is not going to be complicated. One of the criteria is that is has to be something easily done by someone with little artistic skill.

Azel said:
Using simple geometric shapes with clear patterns and methods to denote additional, detailed information is vastly preferable.
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Ah, but historically using simple geometric patterns has lead to a great deal of incidents.

For instance prior to the creation of the standardized symbolism we have today in the military they used simple geometric shapes to explain different hazards. This was not memorable and was easily missed leading to a great deal of trouble.

As for it being too complicated and so on, I pose you this.

The standard biohazard symbol can be made with a piece of charcoal and some string by a complete amateur. It is technically not complicated, is rotationally symetrical, and would (probably) have no inherent meaning in the planes. It is easily recognizable and striking as well, hard to miss and easily remembered.


And it has been used for around a hundred years in RL.

EDIT: Added a link for visual aid.
 
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Deliste said:
Merlin's voice in particular was not there for me, I only knew it was him due to the specific call out.

The speech was fun but I agree with @Crake that the perspectives were a little unfocused.
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Yeah, I'll be making some changes to it today. Can't promise all that much, as there's no real example of Langtry's thought process, but I can do better. Yesterday being minor circle of hell exhausting is why I didn't do those edits then.
 
lockingbane said:
Ah, but historically using simple geometric patterns has lead to a great deal of incidents.

For instance prior to the creation of the standardized symbolism we have today in the military they used simple geometric shapes to explain different hazards. This was not memorable and was easily missed leading to a great deal of trouble.

As for it being too complicated and so on, I pose you this.

The standard biohazard symbol can be made with a piece of charcoal and some string by a complete amateur. It is technically not complicated, is rotationally symetrical, and would (probably) have no inherent meaning in the planes. It is easily recognizable and striking as well, hard to miss and easily remembered.


And it has been used for around a hundred years in RL.

EDIT: Added a link for visual aid.
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Things like the biohazard symbol is exactly what I mean. But a general "Danger" symbol is not really useful on it's own, as the generalisation strips most of the meaning. A minefield and a radioactive area have vastly different reasons for being dangerous.

I would couple a "danger type" symbol with a detailed warning label such as this:

And finally a label denoting a very specific substance or effect. So we got maximum detail for those that need it.


We can also cheat with True Speech labelling. Add some script around a symbol reading "radioactive, invisible deathrays" in True Speech and everyone will get it.
 
Azel said:
We can also cheat with True Speech labelling. Add some script around a symbol reading "radioactive, invisible deathrays" in True Speech and everyone will get it.
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Main problem with true speech is that, in most settings, it is a spoken only language to avoid some of the insane exploits using it can grant.

Even if we can write in it then we would need at least one person with the true speech skill (hard enough to do that) to put it DOWN on everything which would be a logistics nightmare.

Azel said:
I would couple a "danger type" symbol with a detailed warning label such as this:
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And you expect everyone to be able to read the language? It is impractical to use true speech (See above for true speech issues) so making use of this is difficult for usage.

Color might be of use, but color has varying meanings across cultures which would muddy the waters so to speak... But my point is that it is easier to have a set of symbols that lack an inherent meaning that we can ascribe a meaning to and thus have a warning that goes accross cultural and language barriers to say "This is dangerous".

We could have specific symbols for level of danger but a standardized "DANGER" symbol would be very useful in general across many branches of our government from research, magic, exploration, and even military.

I just think that making an easily recognizable symbol that means danger would have a great deal of use.
 
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