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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Crake said:
Good point. What would be better simile?
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If they show themselves openly for you, and hide from your enemies? Or something like that. There should be some way to measure trust in a drow society.

Unless Trust is the same as Foolishness, in that case we are going to reeducate these guys hard...

You know what? Bring Xor, this meeting can be even more strange. And it serves to being a point: If you are nice we won't kill you, no matter how many eyes you have.
 
Duesal said:
@DragonParadox, has Svitran contacted Riz'Neth about his recent success with getting the non-sentient serpentfolk to full sentiency?

Can we use that as a tool to bargain with him to get some of his Deep-Dweller Serpentfolk to come live in Sorcerer's Deep?
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  1. He has not yet.
  2. Viserys considers it likely, though it would not be direct bargaining since I think you already promised him the cure if you found it.
 
DragonParadox said:
  1. He has not yet.
  2. Viserys considers it likely, though it would not be direct bargaining since I think you already promised him the cure if you found it.
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Ah, damn.

Would he be willing to trade monkeys for serpentfolk?

We arrange for whatever willing Little Valyrians there might be to be transferred to Riz'Neth's' command, and in exchange we get Deep-Dweller Serpentfolk?
 
Duesal said:
Ah, damn.

Would he be willing to trade monkeys for serpentfolk?

We arrange for whatever willing Little Valyrians there might be to be transferred to Riz'Neth's' command, and in exchange we get Deep-Dweller Serpentfolk?
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... did you just think of our subjects as a trading card game?

"Oh, I have spare sentient monkeys, I can give you some for your spare serpentfolk"
 
I'm not wholly sure on Drow diplomacy since these two are clearly from an shoot-off of mainstream Drow culture. They may still be Evil, but DP has made it clear that the main theme we're seeing is that there was Drow Civilization which was directed by divine mandate ala Lolth, and then there was counter culture which could function in ways that clearly weren't "every dark elf for himself" with only the swiftness of your dagger determining who thrived and who didn't in the day to day.

I am willing to bet they would be willing to follow our lead based on more than fear and strength alone, that and in order to really integrate they would need to hold values other than those two things more highly than rotting compost.
 
Goldfish said:
That should be pretty easy.

We make each one beautiful. The images will be the highest quality most people will have ever seen reproduced, with a level of accuracy impossible for most artists to achieve and with colors that can't be reproduced except through magic or Alchemy.

We could also use the reverse side of the broadsheet to reproduce a image. Perhaps we should do a Wonders of the World series, with monuments and constructions famed throughout Planetos, or show images of animals most people have only heard of, yet never seen.

We could also use them to provide useful information, such as the basics for dealing with nuisance Fey, how to recognize magical enchantment, weaknesses of various sorts of Undead, etc.
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Good idea but let's make it a proper mirror image, on one side negative representations of our enemies, on the other we have positive mirrors from SD.

E.g. Tywin chaining mages/Viserys raising them up through education and those mages helping the populace.
 
I like the idea if using 8th level spells freely and broadcasting them on the mirrors for all to see. I wanted a bug display of viserys power and this is a nice peaceful way to show it.
 
Tomcost said:
... did you just think of our subjects as a trading card game?

"Oh, I have spare sentient monkeys, I can give you some for your spare serpentfolk"
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Not quite.

Riz'Neth is already looking to hire monkeys due to their usefulness in the jungle.

All I'm suggesting is we help him find whichever ones are interested and skilled enough, and in exchange he sends us any interested Deep-Dweller Serpentfolk.

It's less trading people and more facilitating movement that would have happened on its own, if at a far slower pace.
 
Well I would ask for maps of the Underdrak but considering that they have been spiders for longer than magic has been gone I say that is a waste of time. Recruiting them is a bitch considering that Drow are fucking assholes. I am tempted to throw them at the Moon goddess and make it her problem.
 
Goldfish said:
"Gather beneath the ever growing shadow cast by my wings", perhaps?

Punctuated by assuming True Dragon form?
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Modifed:

[X] Plan "Weaving Webs From Truth and Lies"
-[X] "First let it be known that many paths spread out before you and I shall neither constrain nor bar your passage, though without writ of peace at the very least you may be troubled beyond my lands, whose dominion stretches further with each passing day. This is a time of change and a time of menace, where numerous foes swirl forth from their hiding places and grasp out in an attempt to dominate the world unsuspecting."
-[X] "Me and my Companions would fight against this fate, and some sworn into my service do so also, some for wealth, some for honor and others simply because they wish to make a new life amongst the terror and madness and cannot see one worth making outside of my borders."
-[X] "While I and my oathsworn vassals and friends are strong in the Power, we do not rule over the chained, for never has there been more foolish a method of binding others to you than chains of agony and misery, restraints for the thinking mind as much as the body. If you wish to serve me, you can find your way in this world anew as warriors, or whichever other calling suits you best. Call the debt owed repaid in full if you would gather under the ever growing shadow cast by my wings." Assume True Dragon form here.
-[X] With a cold smile: "For as the servant of Lolth, Demon Queen of the Lightless Depths, whom I encountered among the ruins of your fallen city learned, their ilk stands ill-prepared to face our fire, indeed."
 
DragonParadox said:
I don't have sheets for them yet since you guys caught me by surprise when you voted to lift the curse.

They are definitely not clerics or any sort of divine casters. I was thinking some kind of mage/rogue build, maybe arcane tricksters.
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I always thought male drow who did magic were put to death.

Like most drow really...

From the wiki.

"As a general rule, drow living within a Lolthite society couldn't afford to show emotions like compassion or love, for they were easy to exploit.[24]​ Their environment turned them into distrustful sadists with a constant readiness to backstab people, both in the figurative and literal sense.[22]​ Drow had a tendency to prefer emotional cruelty over physical one.[65]​
Cruelty was also seen as a mean of self-validation. The drow believed that any person that could not defend themselves deserved to be inflicted cruelty, and by delivering cruelty on a weaker creature the drow could prove their superiority.[65]"​

Wow this was upsetting to READ.​



@Snowfire ​
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Drow[/sup]

Like this. All of this. Its horrible.​​
 
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DragonParadox said:
OOC: I thought about moving past this but this pair is about to be confronted with a very strange reality. I'm going to need some idea of how Viserys tries to prepare them for it, not to mention what he wants from them.
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If we have Drow then where are the other elves?

If the drow are all that is left of elves, and the Red Dragons were all that were left of dragons. It's starting to get pretty damn disappointing how any good or even sane race that should be on the Prime Plane doesn't exist anymore.
 
zxzx24 said:
"As a general rule, drow living within a Lolthite society couldn't afford to show emotions like compassion or love, for they were easy to exploit.[24] Their environment turned them into distrustful sadists with a constant readiness to backstab people, both in the figurative and literal sense.[22] Drow had a tendency to prefer emotional cruelty over physical one.[65]
Cruelty was also seen as a mean of self-validation. The drow believed that any person that could not defend themselves deserved to be inflicted cruelty, and by delivering cruelty on a weaker creature the drow could prove their superiority.[65]"
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Hey so you know that divine trap that we were going to use for Aegon? Let's use it on this bitch also. Because holy shit this goddess is garbage. All we would have to do is grab a champion and start juicing her correct?
 
zxzx24 said:
I always thought male drow who did magic were put to death.

Like most drow really...

From the wiki.

"As a general rule, drow living within a Lolthite society couldn't afford to show emotions like compassion or love, for they were easy to exploit.[24]​ Their environment turned them into distrustful sadists with a constant readiness to backstab people, both in the figurative and literal sense.[22]​ Drow had a tendency to prefer emotional cruelty over physical one.[65]​
Cruelty was also seen as a mean of self-validation. The drow believed that any person that could not defend themselves deserved to be inflicted cruelty, and by delivering cruelty on a weaker creature the drow could prove their superiority.[65]"​

Wow this was upsetting to READ.​



@Snowfire ​
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Drow[/sup]

Like this. All of this. Its horrible.​​
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They're from an offshoot Drow society.​
 
Crake said:
but with modifiers should be able to feed 6-8 people per acre.
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Reaaallllly underestimating if I'm not mistaken.

A potato plant takes around 100 days to yield a crop. 2000 plants per acre gives a yield of around 30,000lb, or 13600kg of potatoes, or each acre is enough to feed 5168 people for one day. So each day, to feed 50,000 people, we need to harvest around 10 acres.

I believe potatoes are about 3x more sustaining than wheat crops so even still it's ~1500 per acre without magic.
 
zxzx24 said:
I always thought male drow who did magic were put to death.
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Just those who use clerical magic, since by definition it would have to be of a god other than Lolth since he only takes women. Male wizards are actually quite common and one of the major balancing factors to the priesthood of Lolth.

Keep in mind that this describes traditional drown society. You are dealing with some sort of rebels whose society has likely suffered meaningful cultural drift to have gotten to the point of outright civil war.
 
I was pulling a quote from Ancient China's agricultural effiency, which stated that with man-powered labor they could feed up to four people off a single acre in the most rural form of land distribution.

I am assuming you are pulling a quote from more developed agricultural methods @Deliste, ensure you are pulling from sources circum Medieval to Renaissance era at the very least.
 
Crake said:
@egoo @Azel @Goldfish

I would like to add that Terrace Farming plan to our actions, perhaps starting this turn while we're still mostly stationary in the Stepstones?

If we're planning multiple immigration actions next turn, we can immediately just direct the flow of thousands into that farmland and dramatically cut down on food importation.
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We don't have the spare Titan Tools to start this turn, but I'll see how many we can spare next turn.

We currently need 3 Titan Tool Months (TTM) to finish the highways in the former Myrish territories.
We also need 3 TTM to finish the Stepstones bridges.

I think having 3 TTM for the Myrish territories, 1 TTM for the bridges and 1 TTM for the immigration actions sounds decent.
 
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