I loved the omake Azel! That was one of the better depictions of Tarly I've seen.

I'm curious as to why he never mentioned our actual dragons, though. Did he think they were made up? You'd imagine he'd be more concerned about 'The Dragon' replicating the Field of Fire with the real damn things.
He never got to see one, and considering that apparently the rumors are making our Darkenbeasts out to be Dragons, he might assume the whole thing was an exaggeration.
 
@Azel, I have to shamefully admit that I enjoy your writing moreso than I enjoy DP's updates :/

Great omake, as always.
And just like all previous ones, this one has a fire of greed lit inside of me.

This time though, it's not about a shiny dager or shiny inquisition agents, but about those Fey knights that 'may' bring down dozens/hundreds of Darkenbeasts.
I want them dead. And looted. Order may vary.
Your world-building is top-notch, mate.

I'm very much waiting on the second part (if that's the one you were talking about)
 
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I loved the omake Azel! That was one of the better depictions of Tarly I've seen.

I'm curious as to why he never mentioned our actual dragons, though. Did he think they were made up? You'd imagine he'd be more concerned about 'The Dragon' replicating the Field of Fire with the real damn things.

Speaking of which, where's yours :p

I also don't think Sheepstealer has made an appearance yet. In my omake and, I think, in Mors' interlude as well, they saw darkenbeasts.
 
@DragonParadox
Not sure if you read the math @Goldfish did last night, but there was no chance of a single Disintegrate Arrow killing Amy.
As far as I can tell no single arrow could kill a healthy Adult Red that can ignore a Death effect per day.
 
WE SANDBAGGING WESTEROS NOW I GUESS. THAT WON'T GO POORLY.

Like seriously, throughout the entirety of this quest, we've been basically treating the seven kingdoms like they're exactly the same as they've always been while the rest of the world has changed due to magic. While that is true to an extent, I remember a lot of extensive interludes covering various characters in Westeros. To assume that the 'top ranked players' of Westeros are going to roll over without any major challenge is probably more arrogant than most of the assumptions Aerys made throughout his reign. Like seriously, these guys aren't jokes. They aren't gods or devils, but they're still relatively smart people that have been doing this all their lives. We literally have confirmation that Varys has been double crossing Tiamat and Hell and has been getting away with it. Why are we assuming this is going to be a cakewalk?
We assume these guys are no serious threat, because we know for fact that they have been relativly slow on the uptake regarding magic.
I don't doubt that some individual Westerosi are dangerous, but those are too few to catapult the whole nation forward into the changes they need to make to challenge us.
 
I loved the omake Azel! That was one of the better depictions of Tarly I've seen.

I'm curious as to why he never mentioned our actual dragons, though. Did he think they were made up? You'd imagine he'd be more concerned about 'The Dragon' replicating the Field of Fire with the real damn things.
Full Valyrian Dragons is something he both understands and already knew about. Furthermore, Westeros now can hire Fey mercenaries, has at least one Reacher knight who killed a Drake in single combat and the Lannisters are both rumored to breed their own Dragons and have the means to kill them. Lastly, Dorne has shown that even scorpions can be enough to kill a Dragon.

Therefore, he thinks that one or two giant lizards are something very dangerous, but ultimately can be handled with the right preparations. This though? He just saw roughly 50 Darkenbeasts drop enough Alchemist Fire in a single pass to gut an army and he both knows that they can carry more ammo then for one run (as evident by the stones they dropped before that) and that there are significantly more then 50 in Westhaven.

It's the simile of the knight charging the peasants. Regular soldiers can kill a Dragon with the right tools and circumstances. The Darkenbeasts though? They are too many for his anti-dragon tactics to work and it's evident that even a small number of them making it to his lines would be disastrous. So two Fey knights on Griffons that could stun-lock and kill a dragon? They won't save him against 200 Darkenbeasts.
 
We assume these guys are no serious threat, because we know for fact that they have been relativly slow on the uptake regarding magic.
I don't doubt that some individual Westerosi are dangerous, but those are too few to catapult the whole nation forward into the changes they need to make to challenge us.
While the other poster's hysteria is by no means warranted, I don't think casual arrogance is any more appropriate. Not only is the assumption that no westerosi factions have made significant progress in magic patently false, but there's also plenty of other ways for our enemies to be dangerous beyond simply being high-level PCs.
 
We assume these guys are no serious threat, because we know for fact that they have been relativly slow on the uptake regarding magic.
I don't doubt that some individual Westerosi are dangerous, but those are too few to catapult the whole nation forward into the changes they need to make to challenge us.
Please note that a single semi-optimised Duskblade (of all things!) rocking Persisted (Cloistered cleric dip) Vampiric Touch and Wraithstrike could slaughter Legionnaires all day.
Let alone an angry lv 10 Maesters wizard, who can kill infantry by the hundreds in a single hit-and-run without even resorting to rituals.
And then there are Warlocks who can be even worse (hard to kill, endless unavoidable AoE damage - especially if they can take Draconic Invocations!) at mid levels, can arise anywhere with no training needed, and while they can die beneath the weight of numbers they are also good at escaping (fly, dimension door and illusions, hide in plain sight...).

The Legion is very good, but without Companion support most mid-level PCs could kill a whole bunch of them. Treating the Westerosi with too much arrogance could lead to many avoidable deaths among our forces!

And then of course there's ritual bullshit, poison, desperate devil-calling...
 
Full Valyrian Dragons is something he both understands and already knew about. Furthermore, Westeros now can hire Fey mercenaries, has at least one Reacher knight who killed a Drake in single combat and the Lannisters are both rumored to breed their own Dragons and have the means to kill them. Lastly, Dorne has shown that even scorpions can be enough to kill a Dragon.

Therefore, he thinks that one or two giant lizards are something very dangerous, but ultimately can be handled with the right preparations. This though? He just saw roughly 50 Darkenbeasts drop enough Alchemist Fire in a single pass to gut an army and he both knows that they can carry more ammo then for one run (as evident by the stones they dropped before that) and that there are significantly more then 50 in Westhaven.

It's the simile of the knight charging the peasants. Regular soldiers can kill a Dragon with the right tools and circumstances. The Darkenbeasts though? They are too many for his anti-dragon tactics to work and it's evident that even a small number of them making it to his lines would be disastrous. So two Fey knights on Griffons that could stun-lock and kill a dragon? They won't save him against 200 Darkenbeasts.
There are pretty few counters to that amount of strong flyers.

One would be to have an Archmage or old dragon who can set the offending part of the sky on fire.
A much easier available one would be massive use of Control Winds. Lanna can get that, since Sha'ir have access to Air domain and while it would be expensive making some items of that (to prevent easy dispelling) would be enough to throw our airforce of terrible flyers into complete chaos.
Another option would be using groups of better flyers, for example Hala demons. Those are weaker, but so much better flyers that it's not even funny. Erinyes would do well with shooting them down too.
Edit: And Bloodreavers.

While the other poster's hysteria is by no means warranted, I don't think casual arrogance is any more appropriate. Not only is the assumption that no westerosi factions have made significant progress in magic patently false, but there's also plenty of other ways for our enemies to be dangerous beyond simply being high-level PCs.
They have, but I don't see them catching up to Volantis, for example, since that is both a giant city and one of the earliest mageguilds founded.
Please note that a single semi-optimised Duskblade (of all things!) rocking Persisted (Cloistered cleric dip) Vampiric Touch and Wraithstrike could slaughter Legionnaires all day.
Let alone an angry lv 10 Maesters wizard, who can kill infantry by the hundreds in a single hit-and-run without even resorting to rituals.
And then there are Warlocks who can be even worse (hard to kill, endless unavoidable AoE damage - especially if they can take Draconic Invocations!) at mid levels, can arise anywhere with no training needed, and while they can die beneath the weight of numbers they are also good at escaping (fly, dimension door and illusions, hide in plain sight...).

The Legion is very good, but without Companion support most mid-level PCs could kill a whole bunch of them. Treating the Westerosi with too much arrogance could lead to many avoidable deaths among our forces!

And then of course there's ritual bullshit, poison, desperate devil-calling...
I never said that Westeros couldn't oppose our legion.
You know I have a rather low opinion of non-PCs.
 
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We don't care about their attempts because frankly 1)we have more important things to worry about 2) if need be we can go PC hunting to kill or subvert anyone who may pose a threat. Besides in a years time we will have our own mid level PCs and unlike them ours will grow faster. So it is causal disregard for now and yawning murder rampage in a year
 
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Westeros also has a huge handicap due to having tons of factions we can play against each other. The Faith, the Lannisters, the Maesters, Fae, Devils and Illithids all running about. The Crown proper carries not one, not two, but four millstones around their neck in the form of Cersei, Joffrey, Littlefinger and Varys, all rogue players in a position to do tons of damage, two by malice and two by raw incompetence.

Then you have the Old Gods helping us and Bloodraven spying on everyone, meaning we're often in a position to profit from any surprises.
 
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While the other poster's hysteria is by no means warranted, I don't think casual arrogance is any more appropriate. Not only is the assumption that no westerosi factions have made significant progress in magic patently false, but there's also plenty of other ways for our enemies to be dangerous beyond simply being high-level PCs.
You'll have to excuse the hysteria, that's been building up for several years.

Seriously though, this thread treats westeros with such arrogance and disrespect at times that it rivals the arrogance of Canon Viserys, and we all know how that went. Memento Moro and all that.
 
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Or what if someone glues a few eyes to their head and becomes a Beholder Mage?

No, seriously. Presisted Vampiric Touch and Wraithstrike is the most cheesy thing I've ever heard.

I'm not contesting your general point, but this example is way beyond the pale.
A Duskblade only gets Vampiric Touch at level 9, and so can only persist it at level 10 (dip). At level 10 this is far less of a problem, as everyone and their mother have dispels and Duskblade cannot renew it if the spell gets broken. Considering the sheer cost of the feat investment I would let them keep it up while killing the chaff and feeling mighty, but any serious intelligent opponent could counter this with little trouble.

A good description of the Duskblade in general at that level (barring excellent WBL use), actually :D

Edit: To be clear, I consider a Persistomancer Duskblade as a poor build at that level. It makes sense in this setting (it is amazing at slaughtering chaff or weaker casters/non-dispellers) but in a "normal" D&D game it's a massive waste of feats. Better to simply cast Wraithstrike and Vampiric Touch normally when you need them!
 
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No, seriously. Presisted Vampiric Touch and Wraithstrike is the most cheesy thing I've ever heard.
I understand persisted wraithstrike, but why would anyone persist vampiric touch? After all, once used it's gone. Or is there a benefit for holding the charge I'm not aware of that avoids discharging on a successful hit?
 
Part MMDLXXX: A Tale of Stag and Wolf
A Tale of Stag and Wolf

Thirteenth Day of the Eighth Month 293 AC

Of all you have done in the Seven Kingdoms no deed has been more obvious than your open hand towards the Night's Watch. You paid them in arms and armor, arcane treasures and strange beasts, and you paid them in gold, matching the loose Lannister offer. The question of how this is reflected in the eyes of your foes is thus not the least among your thoughts, for of the three roads open to them all are in your favor. If the Iron Throne supports the Watch to try and overshadow your own efforts then all the better for protecting against the coming Winter. If they ignore it then it will send the Northmen grumbling. And should they try to act against the Lord Commander on some notion that he committed 'treason,' why then the North would do far worse than grumble.

It is not, however, Chataya who provides most of the answers you seek, but your mother and Dany. The servants in the Red Keep are not near as closed-mouthed as most of their lords would have it, and the courtiers who walk its halls are always interested in gossip, even with Essosi of dubious peerage, so long as their purses clink with silver.

"At first the Usurper would not believe that you had dared cross the Narrow Sea into Westeros and asked his Master of Ships to seize every galleon that flies the Silver Serpent as though it were the dragon of our House," your mother begins. "That much we can be sure of since he was anything but quiet in his anger. Many feared he would declare war and set sail to the east until his Hand dissuaded him in some manner. Weeks later tales began to circulate in court of Northern treachery, some say helped along by the queen either from spite or the hope that her father would be able to add another feather to his cap by solving the problem of the Wall."

"So you are not sure if the queen was involved?" you interject. "Could her ladies-in-waiting be bribed or enchanted into revealing the secret? From what I have heard so far she seems very much a weakness in the ranks of the enemy."

"She has no ladies," your mother says, sounding bewildered and almost pitying. "How she can bear to be queen without any companions she can speak honestly to I could not tell you."

"By all accounts through sheer spite," Dany snorts. "In any case we have it from one of the Grand Maester's assistants in the rookery that the first hint of Lord Stark's involvement arrived through the Pycelle, though from what source he could not say..."

"You convinced this Maester to turn his cloak?" Chataya asks, equal parts impressed and wary.

"No," Dany shakes her head, the corners of her mouth tightening slightly at the implication that she would be so careless. "I sought him out in his dreams and bespelled him there that he might recall nothing of having revealed secrets." Seeing the shadow of suspicion settle on Chataya's expression she adds: "I would never use it against anyone I consider an ally, nor for any but the most crucial of information."

Still the madame does not seem convinced so with a sigh your sister adds: "If you will not trust my character then at least trust my sense. It takes hours to untangle another's dream such that you can pick apart particular memories. It would be an enormous waste to spend my days spying on friends when there are yet so very many foes out there, not to mention that I do like to just sleep from time to time." She gives a charming smile, open without making any pretense of being guileless.

To this Chataya nods, at last convinced, so Dany continues her tale: "Baratheon was not furious at the thought that his foster brother might meet with you in peace, he was by all accounts despondent, throwing himself into training and wine with equal fervor."

"But no women?" Nuri asks, interested. Hopefully she did not actually mean that offer to seduce the Usurper.

"No... well, unless you count the queen," Dany continues. "The only thing I managed to discern about that part of his life is what everyone knows, that he managed to have three children."

"Thankfully," your mother half-whispers, shaking her head.

You clear your throat. "Is that how the matter of the North ends? The Usurper overcame his sorrow at the seeming petty betrayal of Lord Stark?"

"Not quite," Maelor takes up the tale. "I heard from a stable boy that there's talk in the Keep that the court might head to the North, though the queen and her uncle are fighting the notion and the Hand's none too happy at it either."

"An attempt to win back the North, or just assure himself of his old friend's loyalty?" you muse. "I don't suppose you know if there was a letter sent to Winterfell?"

"Unfortunately not," your mother replies as you had expected. "That is all we know, and the last may not even be true..."

"Best I can say is that the fellow who told me about it thought it was true," Maelor confirms.

What do you ask next?

[] Varys' machinations

[] Flea Bottom Rumors

[] Reaction to the Tourney of Sorcerer's Deep

[] Write in


OOC: A bit more info about Cersei too, to keep this feeling like a real conversation and not just bullet points disguised as dialog.
 
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The more news of your growing power in the east had emerged the longer the hunts and spars and the shorter the feasts.

Hawking weren't even mentioned,

I concede that point, I'd misread that section a bit and thought there was hawling included in there.

OOC: The Ghiscari may be vile, but they are not idiots to just wait around to get eaten by dragons. The assassin up there used artifact arrows that carry the spell disintegrate as cast by a level 13 caster. Verses for the Legion song were taken from Men of Harlech if anyone's interested.

What a valuable research topic! Getting a strategic reserve of spell arrows/bolts for our Dothraki, Erinyes, and Legions will be quite a boon. Thank you Ghiscari for making us aware of this technology!

Anyone else curious on that Stannis is being considered for the Master of Laws even with the falling out with Robert? If Stannis is just doing that good of a job then I want to know what he's been doing.

Stannis just has that rep for absolute Duty, and that requires an absolute understanding of what his duty is. In canon I'd honestly trade him and Renly around because he's just so suited for the job.

Reminder that we have an opportunity to befriend someone who is increasingly almost as fun to read about as Malarys.

And by the looks of it he needs it too, no high level PC should have to do all the work alone, Viserys often comments about how he would go mad if he had to.

He's not wrong.

Thoughts on resurrecting the brother and the mentor? It would help improve Z's power base as well as give him some life lines.

The Crown proper carries not one, not two, but four millstones around their neck in the form of Cersei, Joffrey, Littlefinger and Varys, all rogue players in a position to do tons of damage, two by malice and two by raw incompetence.

I would argue that Joffery is rather young to be a negative political influence, and Littlefinger hasn't quite been here long enough to become a full millstone, though that's soon to change.

You clear your throat. "Is that how the matter of the North ends? The Usurper overcame his sorrow at the seeming petty betrayal of Lord Stark?"

The bonds of brotherhood are quite deep it seems.
 
You'll have to excuse the hysteria, that's been building up for several years.

Seriously though, this thread treats westeros with such arrogance and disrespect at times that it rivals the arrogance of Canon Viserys, and we all know how that went. Memento Moro and all that.
I disagree entirely with your statement. We have been very careful in how we treat Westeros due to the possibility of a Worst Case Scenario(TM) event taking place, such as Tywin making a deal with Asmodeus for a Legion of Devil soldiers, but other than that, we have little cause for genuine concern. And even the Worst Case Scenario is unlikely to come to pass now, from what we've learned of the internal divisions that exist among the powerful folks, namely that Lanna Lannister herself would murder the everliving fuck out of Tywin if he tried to arrange such an outcome.

We are also quite aware of the dangerous people and beings who inhabit Westeros; including a double handful of PCs, various Fey factions, the Devils who keep cropping up, and of course the Others. There are plenty of things to make us wary about Westeros...except for the muggles living there, including 99% of the nobility.

The threat posed by Westeros as a whole would be much, much greater if not for the ham-fisted approach the Faith of the Seven took to magic. As things stand now, they are hopelessly behind and with no real way to catch up.

Westeros is not the same kind of challenge that warrants overwhelming destructive PC power; it's about politics, intrigue, and even bureaucracy. A whole different kind of battlefield.
 
Ahh shit he is headed North. This may prove to be a problem. For more than one reason anyway. We need more information on the matter. I got a bad feeling about this.
 
I understand persisted wraithstrike, but why would anyone persist vampiric touch? After all, once used it's gone. Or is there a benefit for holding the charge I'm not aware of that avoids discharging on a successful hit?
Duskblade have a class ability that makes it useful. I think that their sword can channel the effect until the spellcasters duration ends.
 
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