Yeah but hunting also bring in food, which is food they don't have to pay for, so it depends on the type of hunt, whether his hunts have become a net drain on resources, or a net gain, and considering he's expanding his hunts, in preparation for fighting us and to sate his bloodlust, many of them are probably of the cheaper variety, because it's the smaller hunting parties that kill the most, and Robert is in a killing mood.

Hawking weren't even mentioned, and I don't think it's a sport Robert is very fond of, he is the type to prefer killing the prey himself, in melee if possible, I expect the hunts he go on the most is boar hunts, and not the normal safe big party boar hunts, but small party boar hunts where he faces the boar 1v1, after all so long as the boar don't instantly kill him, magic can have him right back up.

Maybe some bear hunting as well, as well as any other big animal that's likely to try fighting him instead of running, so he can face them in melee combat.
Royal hunts require a lot of money. You need to pay the hundreds of servants who surround the area of forest your Chief Hunter has chosen. They proceed to make a lot of noise and slowly contract the circle, driving all the wildlife towards your hunting party of pampered nobles. Who are accompanied by servants carrying food, wine and other refreshments for the nobles. Then there is the Royal Cook and his staff following with all the tools they need to throw a feast for the hunters in camp. The Hunt is not for food but for the king to demonstrate his wealth, and authority and to shower gifts on favored noble scions.
 
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Yeah but hunting also bring in food, which is food they don't have to pay for, so it depends on the type of hunt, whether his hunts have become a net drain on resources, or a net gain, and considering he's expanding his hunts, in preparation for fighting us and to sate his bloodlust, many of them are probably of the cheaper variety, because it's the smaller hunting parties that kill the most, and Robert is in a killing mood.

Hawking weren't even mentioned, and I don't think it's a sport Robert is very fond of, he is the type to prefer killing the prey himself, in melee if possible, I expect the hunts he go on the most is boar hunts, and not the normal safe big party boar hunts, but small party boar hunts where he faces the boar 1v1, after all so long as the boar don't instantly kill him, magic can have him right back up.

Maybe some bear hunting as well, as well as any other big animal that's likely to try fighting him instead of running, so he can face them in melee combat.
Hunting simply is not going to save that much money, if it saves at all.

When Robert hunts, he wants to have a feast to enjoy his kill. The feast inevitably costs more money than the boar or stag or whatever would presumably save. And even if he's been cutting back on the feasts, they have by no means stopped completely.

And then there's the cost of the hunt itself, the feed and equipment for the horses, the food for the nobles and their retinue and the hunting dogs, etc. You think Robert doesn't bring the best fare for himself while he's hunting? Think again.

Tldr: The argument of hunting of all things helping Robert save money has no merit.
 
Royal hunts require a lot of money. You need to pay the hundreds of servants who surround the area of forest your Chief Hunter has chosen. They proceed to make a lot of noise and slowly contract the circle, driving all the wildlife towards your hunting party of pampered nobles. Who are accompanied by servants carrying food, wine and other refreshments for the nobles. Then there is the Royal Cook and his staff following with all the tools they need to throw a feast for the hunters in camp.

To add to this, there was at least one early King of England that nearly bankrupted the realm on the cost Royal Hunts alone.

Of course, he basically turned Court into a hunting party, but the point stands.
 
To add to this, there was at least one early King of England that nearly bankrupted the realm on the cost Royal Hunts alone.

Of course, he basically turned Court into a hunting party, but the point stands.
You should look at the hunts of the Emperors of the Middle East, India and China in their most decadent phases. That is peanuts. Those hunts cost enough gold that they could have fielded and maintained entire armies for months, with the cost of a single hunt. Not European sized armies. Asian sized armies of tens of thousands, or in the case of India and China 100,000 men or more.

One notable exception, of course, is bloody Nero. He thought he was a god so he would only hunt golden stags. Automatons of cogs and gears driven by machines and Greek engineer slaves to frolic in a "forest" of fake trees plated in gold. He solved the lack of income by taxing EVERYTHING. From well and aqueduct water use, to bread (which was traditionally provided for free to every family in the empire daily), to prostitution and to attend and sacrifice at the temples. As well as taxing the temples themselves. That wasn't enough so he created an ecological disaster by ordering his engineers to destroy a small mountain range in Hispania famous for its gold mines. Using dams and tunnels such that the water pressure of the reservoirs being released all at once into the tunnels shattered the entire mountain range. Turning it into a giant open-pit mine that they processed for all the valuable metal they could find.
 
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To add to this, there was at least one early King of England that nearly bankrupted the realm on the cost Royal Hunts alone.

Of course, he basically turned Court into a hunting party, but the point stands.
I wouldn't be surprised if Robert is having exotic creatures imported for his hunts. Boar hunting is one thing, but Dire Boar hunting? Or Owlbears? Maybe some Dinosaurs?

We could arrange, through several middle-men of course, to sell him such creatures, especially Dinosaurs, for dramatically inflated prices. It probably wouldn't even be hard to pull off.
 
I'm not sure of this response to @tarrangar's post. I disagree with his analysis as well, but that doesn't warrant your comments, which don't really seem to match your usual temperament.
In my head that sounded better than just telling him to please shut up, but yeah, it was over the line.

The guy was just grinding on my nerves particularly badly today, and I've been bottling up the urge to tell him to take a damn hike for a long time.
 
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I wouldn't be surprised if Robert is having exotic creatures imported for his hunts. Boar hunting is one thing, but Dire Boar hunting? Or Owlbears? Maybe some Dinosaurs?

We could arrange, through several middle-men of course, to sell him such creatures, especially Dinosaurs, for dramatically inflated prices. It probably wouldn't even be hard to pull off.
If he has Owlbears I demand to be put in contact with his suppliers. :V
 
Speaking of superweapons (or, well, Lannisters trying to find one agaisnt us got me to the idea):

What's about that broken aartifact we found in the treasury of Valyrian city we raided?
That thing is by all means a powerhouse, if we actually learn what it does...

@DragonParadox, how do you estimate in points the difficulty of an action to learn the purpose of that broken artifact, not restoring it?

Also, I'm leaning toward breaking open that old-ass list of research actions I made and rewamping it.
OG's know we need to order all things we forget about.
Kinda why I took to keeping with minor actions, really...
 
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Also, I'm leaning toward breaking open that old-ass list of research actions and rewamping it.
OG's knowm we need to order all things we forget about.
Kinda why I took to keeping with minor actions, really...
One I'm looking forward to cracking open is the Valaryian Lady's research on dragons. That should probably wait until she's no longer suicidal and has ressed her kids, but I can't possibly see it won't be incredibly useful in one way or another.
 
One I'm looking forward to cracking open is the Valaryian Lady's research on dragons. That should probably wait until she's no longer suicidal and has ressed her kids, but I can't possibly see it won't be incredibly useful in one way or another.
Have no fear, if I ever get down to doing it, I wil linclude all the books we have in our library, all the items, all the promising projects...
And having DP drop a number at every cathegory.
So it will be orderly! And efficient!

So yeah, either tomorrow, or never :/
 
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Interlude CCCLXVII: Soldier's Ways
Soldier's Ways

Thirteenth Day of the Eighth Month 293 AC

The ancient red dragon Amrelath, once called the Accursed, had to admit to himself if not aloud that he was rather impressed by what the work of men's hands and minds had done with the passing of the aeons since his imprisonment. He would have assumed that without dragons to give their mayfly lives some purpose and direction men would have drifted back to the state of blissful savagery in which his kindred had first found them, dwelling in tents, caves, and tents, covering their nakedness with the hides of beasts.

The way all these 'legionnaires' marched in neat lines ready to fight and die for a dragon's war, the way they wore his mark upon their arms not with sullen frowns but with a smile, with pride. Perhaps in some small way the passions that inspired wyrms to greatness dwelt in the hearts of men also, he reasoned as he listened to the marching songs of the men below:

Tongues of fire in the sky flaring,
News of foe-men near declaring,
To heroic deeds of daring,
Call you Dragon's Men

For the first time in life or death Amrelath could understand what might drive some of his kindred to lay with mortals and sire children upon them beyond simple lust. He might almost pity that they would never live to see more than a moment in the world's life, though the feeling was as brief as the touch of rain on molten stone.

Groans of wounded slaves dying,
Wails of wives and children flying,
For the distant succor crying,
Call you Legionnaires

One of the war-beasts dared to approach him, this one with a boar's head, the commander of the scouting wing: "Lord, we are nearing the ruins of the old fort. Should we fly ahead and make it ready for you in some small way?"

Amrelath snorted, dark smoke wafting from his nostrils: "So you expect me to fly in circles while that ungainly mount of yours labors through the air to get to the fort, and then you will waste your time and mine pretending you are a domestic?" Seeing the confusion in the man's eyes the dragon corrected himself to the use of the newer word: "A servant."

"Beg pardons, lord," the man said, and to his credit his voice did not shake as a wisp of dragon-fear stole over him.

"I have been sent here to help make soldiers of you, to teach you how to fly and to face sorcery, to know your fears and fight despite them. Do not waste your time and mine trying to serve in a manner ill-befitting of your calling." Much to his surprise Amrelath found he meant that more deeply than just because it was what his lord would wish to hear said. It was quite enjoyable to make the wheels run smooth like a finely-tuned mechanism of flesh and steel, far grander than any single mortal being, born or made.

Short the sleep the foe is taking,
Ere the morrows morn is breaking
They shall have a rude awakening,
roused by you King's Men

The old border fort that was the destination of this particular march had stood here since before what the mortals grandiosely called the Century of Blood, though to a dragon's reckoning it was scarce more than a spirited series of skirmishes. It had been built of the local limestone that almost seemed to meld into the slopes of the Painted Mountains to either side, partly because it was becoming part of the mountain, by crumbling. Learning how to make it livable would be a valuable lesson.

2x Construct Training Center Progress: 13+18 = 31/40

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Out of the corner of his eyes the dragon saw a shadow... he heard the hiss of an arrow cutting through the air a moment too late to turn away and let it glance off his belly scales. Spellsteel bit between the smaller scales of his upper wing joints, and with that steel came magic... familiar blackness calling to him, death close as memory, as close as nightmares... No, he roared to the heavens, the fire within him welling up to eat at the shadow that tried to gnaw at flesh and spirit.

Amrelath's head snapped to the side to see the assassin standing on a cracked rooftop of the old fort. He was wearing long brown traveler's robes common to these lands, though the bow in his hands and the ruby goggles on his eyes gave lie to the notion that there was anything common about him.


Another accursed arrow was already in his hands, but this time the dragon was ready, twisting aside to let it fly harmlessly by.

"Now you die, little man," the dragon roared, like the sound of stone and fire vented from the depths of the earth, but even as he prepared to breathe out a torrent of flame he saw his foe reach for a silver talisman and he knew it for what it was, a means to escape his fate...

That was when the legionnaire who had spoken to him along the journey crashed into the assassin with his beast, the word of command lost in a shout of pain as the beast's jaws clamped about his calf.

Most useful indeed, the dragon thought even as most of his attention was on clawing and crushing the assassin with his weight that he might capture him.

OOC: The Ghiscari may be vile, but they are not idiots to just wait around to get eaten by dragons. The assassin up there used artifact arrows that carry the spell disintegrate as cast by a level 13 caster. Verses for the Legion song were taken from Men of Harlech if anyone's interested.
 
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What is your deal with him? Every time someone gets upset or frustrated with tarrangar you leap to his defense like a sixth-grade hero protecting the shy kid from bullies. We're, or at the very least I sure ain't 'mocking' him for fun.
Well, he does have a right to an opinion, sure it might not be the popular or reasonable one, but he can have one. Your comment was a bit standoffish in my opinion. We shouldn't be rude just because he might not have a great grasp of when to drop issues.
 
Well, he does have a right to an opinion, sure it might not be the popular or reasonable one, but he can have one. Your comment was a bit standoffish in my opinion. We shouldn't be rude just because he might not have a great grasp of when to drop issues.
And that's why I have never, ever once told him, or anyone else, to shut up. No matter how much I want to. I can, however, express my opinion just as they can theirs.
 
My heart does twinge a bit at the loot that Amrelath has a greater claim to, but it does bring a smile to my face to see him slowly see the value in genuinely loyal mortals.

@DragonParadox, can you tell me what the ruby goggles are? We're not ever going to get them since Amrelath has them, I'm just curious.
 
The Lannisters want a bane weapon by the sound of it. That's cute

I would rather not duel Robert. Sure, we can do it, but why should we? Let's just pick him apart with magic to show him how little we think of his brawn and hammer-wielding skills?

"Oh, you want to duel? How cute! Amber Sarcophagus!"

An old knight for that job?
A non-mage who spend 90% of his life in a low magic world to reign in a PC on companion-level?

Looks rather pathetic next to Lya or Taena.

Which is difficult when a mage with Lanna's effictivly unlimited spellbook can run rings around him in every way.

How would he know that not half the ideas he has are implanted suggestions by Unconscious Agenda?
That not every talk between them ends with him giving in to Insidious Demand?
Nevermind that, he propably doesn't even know what is possible in the art of mindfuck and what isn't.

Edit: I don't know if Lanna is the kind of person who'd do that, but she could.

Alright, that's as clear a signal as any that the loot is severely underleveled for us. Never mind.

Littlefingers main powers are being a smooth liar and being good at using people's faults against them. But compared to Viserys, he is amateur league material.

We can exploit his natural tendencies to cause damage to Tywin and Robert, then dispose of him.

WE SANDBAGGING WESTEROS NOW I GUESS. THAT WON'T GO POORLY.

Like seriously, throughout the entirety of this quest, we've been basically treating the seven kingdoms like they're exactly the same as they've always been while the rest of the world has changed due to magic. While that is true to an extent, I remember a lot of extensive interludes covering various characters in Westeros. To assume that the 'top ranked players' of Westeros are going to roll over without any major challenge is probably more arrogant than most of the assumptions Aerys made throughout his reign. Like seriously, these guys aren't jokes. They aren't gods or devils, but they're still relatively smart people that have been doing this all their lives. We literally have confirmation that Varys has been double crossing Tiamat and Hell and has been getting away with it. Why are we assuming this is going to be a cakewalk?
 
Tarrangar, everyone's just been trying to ignore you for a while now, but at this point I really just have to ask:

What the hell are you smoking?
Nothing I don't even drink.
Historically, Royal Hunts were always more about pageantry and personal prestige then it was ever about acquiring food. I doubt that's different in 'literally worse than the middle ages' land.
And if Robert was a normal king I would agree with that, but he's basically what you get if you take a barbarian, give him a great education, and plop him on the throne, and unlike in canon depression isn't making him more controllable, I don't believe his hunts are about bringing in food, but I do believe they are about killing as opposed to pageantry, because Robert really want to kill things, which mean they bring in food and aren't that expensive, as a big hunting party with lot of pageantry, isn't very efficient at killing things, and Robert is not okay with not even getting 1 kill a day on his hunts, he want to splatter the brains of multiple beasts per hunt, and with how motivated he's become, talking him into lavish hunts that don't involve much killing, is much harder, so while he probably do those once in a while, I think most of them are smaller affairs, as Robert thirst for the glory of the kill.
Royal hunts require a lot of money. You need to pay the hundreds of servants who surround the area of forest your Chief Hunter has chosen. They proceed to make a lot of noise and slowly contract the circle, driving all the wildlife towards your hunting party of pampered nobles. Who are accompanied by servants carrying food, wine and other refreshments for the nobles. Then there is the Royal Cook and his staff following with all the tools they need to throw a feast for the hunters in camp. The Hunt is not for food but for the king to demonstrate his wealth, and authority and to shower gifts on favored noble scions.
That's the traditional way of doing it, but while Robert might do the part with servants scaring the prey to him, I expect that a significant part of his hunts involve few other nobles, as he want to kill a lot, and the more nobles he bring, the more he has to share the kills with.
Hunting simply is not going to save that much money, if it saves at all.

When Robert hunts, he wants to have a feast to enjoy his kill. The feast inevitably costs more money than the boar or stag or whatever would presumably save. And even if he's been cutting back on the feasts, they have by no means stopped completely.

And then there's the cost of the hunt itself, the feed and equipment for the horses, the food for the nobles and their retinue and the hunting dogs, etc. You think Robert doesn't bring the best fare for himself while he's hunting? Think again.

Tldr: The argument of hunting of all things helping Robert save money has no merit.
My argument wasn't that hunting was saving him money, it was that not throwing near as many tourneys and feasts, were saving him far more money than the hunting cost, sorry if I sounded as if I meant otherwise.

All in all there's probably a net deficit on average, but it's probably less than a 10th, the net deficit his tourneys and feasts caused in canon.
I wouldn't be surprised if Robert is having exotic creatures imported for his hunts. Boar hunting is one thing, but Dire Boar hunting? Or Owlbears? Maybe some Dinosaurs?

We could arrange, through several middle-men of course, to sell him such creatures, especially Dinosaurs, for dramatically inflated prices. It probably wouldn't even be hard to pull off.
OK if he's doing that they might be a big net deficit, but if he's just hunting ordinary beasts, then his hunts are probably well within the budget.

And Robert not spending more than the kingdom is earning, limits Littlefingers opportunity for embezzlement, because Robert is naive enough to not notice the debt is far bigger than it should be, but he will notice if they suddenly went into debt, without a new obvious big expense cropping up, because that would be clear proof, Littlefinger is not as good at his job as his predecessor.

Littlefinger got away with so much in canon, in part because everyone knew they were spending more than they were earning, so of course the Master of Coin had to take on debts, if it's not assumed as a matter of fact that they will be taking on debt, then there will be more scrutiny if they go into debt.
 
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In my head that sounded better than just telling him to please shut up, but yeah, it was over the line.

The guy was just grinding on my nerves particularly badly today, and I've been bottling up the urge to tell him to take a damn hike for a long time.
Goldfish gave me the "are you sure that's necessary" talk too on the sme subject, and my response was perfectly rational.

If someone annoys you and you derive no value from your interactions with them, filter their posts.

No more conflict.
 
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My heart does twinge a bit at the loot that Amrelath has a greater claim to, but it does bring a smile to my face to see him slowly see the value in genuinely loyal mortals.

@DragonParadox, can you tell me what the ruby goggles are? We're not ever going to get them since Amrelath has them, I'm just curious.

They grant a +5 circumstantial bonus to ranged sneak attacks. I'll write up the fluff on them in the morning
 
In my head that sounded better than just telling him to please shut up, but yeah, it was over the line.

The guy was just grinding on my nerves particularly badly today, and I've been bottling up the urge to tell him to take a damn hike for a long time.
What is it about me that grind on your nerves? Because I'm not trying to piss anyone off, I just have my own opinions no matter how illogical they are, and I can be kind of bad at the whole picking up social clues, what with the fact that I'm autistic(and of course the fact that text communication is always harder to pick up clues in, and when you are all from different countries your culture is subtly different.)
 
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