My main concern is having the sacrifices to do it at all. We don't have enough right now, and I really don't know how much we'll be getting in Braavos.

Fair enough. it doesn't have to be now but you know later to prove a point. You can add it to the list? Maybe?
Edit: Does Bonifer Hasty know about our mother's resurrection? I imagine not but boy will he be in for a surprise when she returns
 
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They'll be fine. They love Viserys for feeding them so much.

The main trolling point was to place an obvious Weirwood Grove right across the street, to both somewhat undermine any divine effects one might go to the Sept for and to allow the Old Gods to directly keep an eye on said Sept.

Thanks @Azel, but what about the Moonsingers? Maybe just a nice sword for whoever is their head of temple guard?

A VS Telescope? A VS Bookmark? Maybe our first case of VS Armor?
 
Growing a ton of Weirwoods around the Sept is a bit too on the nose in my opinion. I'm pretty sure the Old Gods will get plenty of kicks out of the fact that we are remodeling the Faith of the Seven to be more pleasing to our eyes.
 
The main trolling point was to place an obvious Weirwood Grove right across the street, to both somewhat undermine any divine effects one might go to the Sept for and to allow the Old Gods to directly keep an eye on said Sept.
The faces on the trees should be grumpy old men and women staring nosily at their neighbors. :V

But I'm with Azel on this. It's nice as a joke, but the Old Gods should just be happy with us growing them a bunch of trees this month.
 
Full vote.

[X] Plan Generosity and Trolling
-[X] "Wise words. Likewise, it would be foolish of me to judge you by the actions of those preachers with less pure intentions, or to turn away a helping hand in these troubled times. Let it be known then that the Faith of the Seven now truly joins the creeds preached in my realm." // Making it clear here that the Seven are one of many.
-[X] Give him 20,000 IM in funds and the support of the Bulabar to erect a great sept between the Minotaur Village and the library. // This shunts the Sept to the outskirts of SD and into a less prestigious locale then the two Godswoods in the inner ring. Also encourages growth to the west to integrate the Minotaur Village into SD to become the Minotaur District.
-[X] Also rope in Azema to help the effort. She knew Hugor of the Hill after all and has a great sense for aesthetics.
-[X] Viserys will also help the design work for the Sept, drawing inspiration but seeking to surpass the Great Sept of Baelor, while using the neo-valyrian building style that is developing in SD.
--[X] The base layout will be 7 sided polygon as usual for a sept, with a small, 7 sided tower erected a few meters away from the corners.
--[X] The outlying towers will be connected by arches to the main building and by a colonnade to each other.
--[X] On the top of each tower stands a statue of one of the seven, with the tower and the wall on the opposite side of the building being dedicated to the same aspect. The outside of the towers is adorned with murals depicting the virtues associated with the aspect from carved marble and highlighted in metal. Both the statue and the mural highlights are done in a metal alloy that has the color matching the given aspect.
--[X] There is an entrance on each of the seven sides of the main building, with a statue of the aspect to which the side is dedicated rising above the entrance, using the same metal alloys as outside and surrounded by large windows of stained glass, though the actual material used will be transmuted and colored quartz.
--[X] In the corners will be smaller statues above shrines used for religious ceremonies.
--[X] Lastly, the floor will have a mural depicting the seven aspects moving towards the middle, where a seven pointed star in colored metal is inlaid.
--[X] Give the art a subtle nudge towards the 'local', such as making soldiers look distinctly like Legionaries, include a few depictions of the special population groups of SD, etc. and make sure that there are some favorable depictions of magic in them.
-[X] As other faiths in the realm have been permitted to maintain a ceremonial guard to protect their premises and for ritual purposes, the Faith of the Seven will be granted the same right. They can maintain a Sept Guard of 7 knights of good character and standing. There will be no restrictions on marriage or similar as with similar organisations in Westeros.
-[X] Prepare to forge VS weapons for each of the major faiths in the realm as a sign of legitimacy and favor, to be handed over during the festival to the faiths.
--[X] 7 Greatwords for the Sept Guard. The blades will be forged specifically for this purpose, the design of each one oriented on each of the aspects.
--[X] A greatsword loosely inspired by the descriptions of Lightbringer for the Red Faith.
--[X] A spear for Breathtaker, depicting scenes of the see and the friendly Nereid we often talked to on the shaft.
--[X] A weapon for Yss.
--[X] A weapon for the Old Gods.
--[X] Nothing for Trios, as a subtle sign of it's illegitimacy.

Haha, perhaps the swords should be inlaid with Valyrian runes with their names upon them.

Mother's Blade: Mercy
Father's Blade: Justice
Smith's Blade: Ingenuity
Maiden's Blade: Protection
Warrior Blade: Valour
Crone's Blade: Wisdom
Stranger's Blade
: Mystery

Growing a ton of Weirwoods around the Sept is a bit too on the nose in my opinion. I'm pretty sure the Old Gods will get plenty of kicks out of the fact that we are remodeling the Faith of the Seven to be more pleasing to our eyes.

Yeah, it's obvious somewhat of a mockery in perfect form, since it shows that we do not give a single absolute fuck about the absurdity of the situation, treating it with the same aplomb, dedication and thoroughness as a thoroughly pious to that religion ruler. Even if we're probably the most impious pious ruler ever.

Acknowledging Gods but having a patron-like relationship with them all much?
 
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Growing a ton of Weirwoods around the Sept is a bit too on the nose in my opinion. I'm pretty sure the Old Gods will get plenty of kicks out of the fact that we are remodeling the Faith of the Seven to be more pleasing to our eyes.

Well with the Old Gods we technically haven't broken any oaths. We still plan on humbling the faith and if Bloodraven can create a schism and be dandy with the gods then I imagine their love for us will extend far enough to not be pissed. Irritated sure but not Kali ma rage mode. Plus we can bribe them with trees. Just more trees will satisfy them.
 
@Azel, can you specify at the end there that we actually have a motive for speaking with Bonnifer? Just generally getting a read on him as first move is fine, but if we don't say why we're even bothering DP will move past the scene just like that.

I think there are some really good questions and some intrigue we could do with a friendly envoy who is known for his piety and honor. As has been suggested, I think reaching out to the Westerosi crew in the Reach is good idea now, better before the invasion than during.
 
Alright. Amending plan with names for the blades.

[X] Plan Generosity and Trolling
-[X] "Wise words. Likewise, it would be foolish of me to judge you by the actions of those preachers with less pure intentions, or to turn away a helping hand in these troubled times. Let it be known then that the Faith of the Seven now truly joins the creeds preached in my realm." // Making it clear here that the Seven are one of many.
-[X] Give him 20,000 IM in funds and the support of the Bulabar to erect a great sept between the Minotaur Village and the library. // This shunts the Sept to the outskirts of SD and into a less prestigious locale then the two Godswoods in the inner ring. Also encourages growth to the west to integrate the Minotaur Village into SD to become the Minotaur District.
-[X] Also rope in Azema to help the effort. She knew Hugor of the Hill after all and has a great sense for aesthetics.
-[X] Viserys will also help the design work for the Sept, drawing inspiration but seeking to surpass the Great Sept of Baelor, while using the neo-valyrian building style that is developing in SD.
--[X] The base layout will be 7 sided polygon as usual for a sept, with a small, 7 sided tower erected a few meters away from the corners.
--[X] The outlying towers will be connected by arches to the main building and by a colonnade to each other.
--[X] On the top of each tower stands a statue of one of the seven, with the tower and the wall on the opposite side of the building being dedicated to the same aspect. The outside of the towers is adorned with murals depicting the virtues associated with the aspect from carved marble and highlighted in metal. Both the statue and the mural highlights are done in a metal alloy that has the color matching the given aspect.
--[X] There is an entrance on each of the seven sides of the main building, with a statue of the aspect to which the side is dedicated rising above the entrance, using the same metal alloys as outside and surrounded by large windows of stained glass, though the actual material used will be transmuted and colored quartz.
--[X] In the corners will be smaller statues above shrines used for religious ceremonies.
--[X] Lastly, the floor will have a mural depicting the seven aspects moving towards the middle, where a seven pointed star in colored metal is inlaid.
--[X] Give the art a subtle nudge towards the 'local', such as making soldiers look distinctly like Legionaries, include a few depictions of the special population groups of SD, etc. and make sure that there are some favorable depictions of magic in them.
-[X] As other faiths in the realm have been permitted to maintain a ceremonial guard to protect their premises and for ritual purposes, the Faith of the Seven will be granted the same right. They can maintain a Sept Guard of 7 knights of good character and standing. There will be no restrictions on marriage or similar as with similar organisations in Westeros.
-[X] Prepare to forge VS weapons for each of the major faiths in the realm as a sign of legitimacy and favor, to be handed over during the festival to the faiths. Each blade has it's name engraved in Valyrian writing.
--[X] 7 Greatwords for the Sept Guard, designed with the aspect they represent in mind:
---[X] Mother's Blade: Mercy
---[X] Father's Blade: Justice
---[X] Smith's Blade: Ingenuity
---[X] Maiden's Blade: Innocence
---[X] Warrior Blade: Valour
---[X] Crone's Blade: Wisdom
---[X] Stranger's Blade: Mystery
--[X] A greatsword loosely inspired by the descriptions of Lightbringer for the Red Faith, called Brightflame.
--[X] A spear for Breathtaker, depicting scenes of the see and the friendly Nereid we often talked to on the shaft, named Swiftness.
--[X] A weapon for Yss.
--[X] A weapon for the Old Gods, probably to be wielded by the Minotaur Oracle.
--[X] A weapon for the Moonsingers.
--[X] Nothing for Trios, as a subtle sign of it's illegitimacy.
-[X] Also speak with the knight some more to build a rapport, get a read on his character and to see if he has some contacts that could be useful. Especially to other Septons who could help to legitimize the new Sept by helping in the blessing.
 
Mother's Blade: Mercy
Father's Blade: Justice
Smith's Blade: Ingenuity
Maiden's Blade: Protection
Warrior Blade: Valour
Crone's Blade: Wisdom
Stranger's Blade: Mystery

Thoughts on customizing them? A Maul or Greathammer/club for the Smith, a Dex-based Greatsword like Best!Not!Paladin has for the Stranger, and a Shield for the Mother come to mind.
 
I was browsing youtube when I came across a very interesting video. Basically a cantrip almost custom built for excavation (potentially for mine building, landscape modification, and more).



It seems to be rather simple and a quick way to modify the landscape. Some simple earthworks that can be rapidly made for our armies would be a massive boon.
 
--[X] A weapon for the Old Gods

This should be the sacrifice spear...

@Duesal, did DP specifically state that this should be a plain spear? What if we have it improved in the Fungus Forge by the Bulabar to be foldable, and capable of being loaded with fungus pods shooters and a burst cannon...

Yes, I want a Weirwood Gunlance :V

It's unweildy, huge, and heavy, but you know who has a Use Magic Device as a class skill? A certain Minotaur who's a Spellscar Oracle.
 
Having them all be diverse weapons means that fewer Knights will be able to get the most out of them. At least with a greatsword the only criteria really is having a good enough height that it doesn't become unwieldy for you to wield it.
 
This should be the sacrifice spear...

@Duesal, did DP specifically state that this should be a plain spear? What if we have it improved in the Fungus Forge by the Bulabar to be foldable, and capable of being loaded with fungus pods shooters and a burst cannon...

Yes, I want a Weirwood Gunlance :V

It's unweildy, huge, and heavy, but you know who has a Use Magic Device as a class skill? A certain Minotaur who's a Spellscar Oracle.
They can also have a sacrifice spear. The Valyrian Steel is for legitimacy above all else.

But yes, it was supposed to be a spear. The Old Gods hated all the other ideas.
 
The Imperium Sept is taking shape nicely. Or if you want a nice alliterative name, The Sept of Seven Swords.
The names are a nice touch, props @Crake.
This is excellent trolling and excellent worldbuilding all at once.
 
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"Yes, can I help y-" The reaction the moment the doors of the apartment open isn't what you'd expected, given the circumstances. You're on the island of Manhattan, a towering assembly of skyscrapers and company buildings, and though the flat in front of you is a modest one, its location speaks to wealth. The man at the door is on the older side, with quick, clever eyes – unsurprising given his profession, and how seriously this realm appears to take the need for qualification to do almost anything. He looks at you, at Harry, and his question dies on his lips as his face goes suddenly pale. He recognises the grey cloaks on your shoulders – although yours is a simple glamour cast upon something far rarer.

His mouth works for a few moments before any words emerge. "Go…good evening. May I ask what brings Wardens to my door, I," his voice is shaky, a deathly fear of the symbols you wear overwhelming him, and Harry speaks before it can go any further.

"It might be better to do this inside, Doctor." Your ally says, his voice low and steady, distinctly unthreatening to your ears. The doctor, an odd word for a healer, you think, pales further as he recognises that it isn't a request.

He looks from side to side, eyes darting to check the corridor you'd walked along to reach here, then takes a step to the side, clearing a way. "Um, if you please." You file into the home, and he closes the door behind you with a soft click. Modest, yes, but you know what tasteful expense looks like. Comfortable looking furniture spread across the space, with several chairs set to look out across the lights of the city coming to life through the gathering twilight. Unfortunately, any appreciation you might have had for it is marred by the awareness of why you're here. The practitioner in front of you is suspected of violating those Laws concerning the minds of another. He doesn't look like someone who'd do something like that…but you'd long since learnt that appearances were often deceiving.

"Doctor Colin Andrews," Ser Harry says, drawing you out of your thoughts, and bringing the man you'd come to find up straight with a nervous squeak. "You clearly know who we are, but not, it seems, why we are here."

"I," he begins to speak, but isn't given the chance.

"I am Warden Dresden, this is Warden Waters," you'd asked to use the alias for this work, and though his superiors might disapprove of it when they find out, it's easier to fade into the background as Corlys Waters than Viserys Targaryen. "We have been sent to find out if you have violated the Laws of Magic." The man's face goes totally bloodless. "Do you understand the nature of our purpose?"

The silence is an oppressive presence around you, a weapon as potent as Dragonfear. The doctor swallows, nods shakily, then speaks in a bare whisper. "I understand, Wardens." He seems to visibly take control of himself with those words, forcing the paralyzing fear down to merely the terror of one whose future is very suddenly in doubt. "Is there," he swallows again, "is there anything I can do to help? If I can show that I've not broken the Laws…that would be good, right?"

"That depends," Harry says after a moment, his eyes sweeping the dwelling, followed by far more supernatural senses. Nothing appears to reveal itself, as he turns back to the doctor and nods. "But I think that maybe you could, yes. You're a Sensitive, correct?" The term was one Harry had explained on the way, a practitioner with a particular gift for sensing the emotions and sometimes even surface thoughts of others. Molly had apparently been one.

"I, yes, I am." He nods, a little more certainty in the words, and the desire to help on his part appears quite genuine.

"And you use that talent in your work, with your clients."

"I do." Andrews agrees, eyes crinkling as part of a small smile. "I was always talented, but this lets me do so much more. Like an entirely new layer of understanding, being able to know for certain what before I could only infer. And I checked, asked the Paranet, did everything I could to make sure it wouldn't break any of the Laws."

"And they quite correctly told you no, I expect." Harry says. "That isn't why we're here, Doctor, though it's related," The older man clearly looks like he wants to ask, but the presence of a Warden's cloak makes any words die stillborn. And it's not as if he wasn't about to be told, anyway. "The question we have to ask today, is if you've ever gone beyond sensing."

"What do you mean?" The question comes far too fast, both you and Ser Harry feel it, but here the Wizard turns his head and motions you forward a little. It's all the encouragement you need.

"We think you know, doctor." You speak levelly, without artifice. "You can sense their pains, their needs, their hopes, even if they themselves can't. Did you ever use more than words to answer them?"

"I," Andrews begins to reply hotly, but stops after the first syllable - and with that one only half-spoken. You watch as he grapples with himself, and then the fire just flows out of him in a long, shuddering breath. He takes a few steps, and sinks down into one of the chairs, fingers shaking. "I thought, no." He shakes his head, barely noticing as you both take a step closer, prepared in the event of any attack.

"Colin," Harry says, "I don't think you did anything deliberately. But we need to know how far you did go."

"So you can decide if I need to die," the man barks what only the charitable would call a laugh, the sound too full of disgust to be cheerful, and his face crumples. "Maybe I do." He presses his eyes shut, takes another breath, and starts talking. "It started…three months ago? Sensing has been enough for me for years, always enough, and I knew that there was a reason that it had to be. But one of the new clients they, they wanted to change. But they couldn't see and I couldn't help them. I tried using different methods, trying to help them understand in the only way we're meant to. Nothing worked. And then, one day, I felt them as close to that understanding as I'd ever found them. And I, I pushed. They understood. They're doing so much better now."

"It was just them, at first. I told myself, what I'd done was…it shouldn't be something I should do. Only if I had no other choice. But if I had let myself help one person, how could I stay true to myself without helping another? Nothing…I didn't control them, but it's like…making a sheet of steel into a true mirror. I thought,"

"You thought it was ok," Harry expression hardened as Andrews spoke, but now he interrupts. "Even though you knew how close you were, you thought it was ok. And you're almost right." He sighs. "Doctor, you know what you did was wrong."

"I do," the admission is a whisper.

"Do you know why?" That brought his head up, and yours around, as curious as the man in front of you was near desperation. Andrews shakes his head, and Dresden smiles sadly. "Magic, what we can do, doctor, only does what we believe it should. When you…pushed, you believed it was right. That it was right to turn the power you hold to that purpose. And when you start believing that that's right, it's easy to forget where the next line is. You said yourself, you've done it since, even though you resolved not to."

"But it can help. So many people."

"And at what point," you can hear the buried pain and anger in Harry's voice. "Do they stop being people to help, and start being things to fix?"

"Oh." Leather creaks under the doctor's fingers as his hands tighten on the chair, and he looks down at his hands as if surprised. "You don't just…break the Laws, do you? I mean, in some cases, yes. But for people like me, it's never something you set out to do. It just happens, doesn't it. Because we want to help."

"Yes." Harry says. "Not many people know that, Colin, and it's better that we keep it that way. It stops people from trying to bend the Laws. But it also means, that sometimes, we get to do this." He drops down into a crouch, not quite meeting the man's eyes.

"This is your one warning, Doctor Andrews. There won't be another," he gestures towards the door. "If you step beyond the bounds of sensing again, the Wardens that come here won't be asking questions. Do you understand me?"

The man stares at his hands, pale eyes very bright. "If I do this again, Warden, I don't think I'll want them to ask."

"Alright then," Harry stands, and nods to you. "We're done here, Warden. Let's go."

It takes less than thirty seconds after you're out of the apartment for you to ask Harry why he'd done it. At the question, he sighs, but explains in the manner of one who's done so many times before.

"The Laws exist for a reason, Viserys. No matter how much I disagree with how the Council applies them, there's a very good reason for them being there. What I said to the good doctor was true. If he kept on going down that path, or ever slips further, he'll have to believe that it's right to do so. And can you really say that that would be a good thing? Someone capable of rewiring another's mind, and with no reason not to do it." He stops for a moment as you step out of the corridor onto the staircase, and start heading up. "Binding the will of another, or forcing them to change, means you have to believe that it's right. Means that, no matter how good your intentions, eventually you'll not see a reason to stop at what the person wants or needs. You'll see a thing that's broken, not a person, and that's when you become a monster." The stairs flew by, and you had to rush a little to keep up as Harry's legs devoured them.

"But surely there's some way?" You ask.

"There is, sort of. The Doom of Damocles." He'd told you about that before, how he'd kept Molly from being killed instead of becoming his apprentice. But it required that a full wizard speak for the Warlock, and commit to training them. If their apprentice then broke the Laws, they died. And their master died with them.

Minutes pass, and Harry speaks again only as you step off the stairs towards a door that leads onto the building's roof. "Black magic is…tricky, Viserys. It can sneak up on you if you don't know what you're looking for, take harnessing the forces of creation and turn the process into just another tool. In a way, yes," he says before you interrupt, knowing you well enough by now to know what you were about to say, "it is one. But for us, how we use that tool matters. Because how we see the world defines how we use it, and if we use it more and more, in certain ways, it defines how we see the world."

"A feedback loop," you shake your head. "And there's no way to break it?"

"It's not…supernatural." Harry explains. "Not really. Changing it would require changing the person. Forcing them to change. And that would violate the Laws just as thoroughly as a Warlock does."

"But that man, he wasn't one." You point out.

"He wasn't one yet." Harry clarifies delicately. "And if you're ready, you're about to find out why the Council orders the Wardens to judge so harshly."

"The second location?"

"Yes."

You place a hand on his shoulder, bring to mind the image that Karrin had printed for you, speak a word, and the roof is empty again.
 
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