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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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TotallyNotEvil said:
I mean, I did want to make a weighty request because I'm sympathetic to the Steward, but did not want to leave her without choice.

Whatever, it's good enough of a resolution.
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In order to make her believe she could refuse it would have taken days of building trust. There is just no way to get that across in moments in a formal public setting even with all Viserys' social skills.

Crake said:
Basically the King asked you to do him a solid by helping him reward someone he actually thinks did the right thing, without blatantly trying to screw you over. Do you say no and risk, if not him viewing you with disfavor, the perception that he does bleed over to all of your peers?

Basically perception matters here, even if Viserys obviously seems to respect legal precedence he is a conqueror who overturned many laws, and people are afraid of him. Afraid enough to probably act against someone subtly or blatantly if they think he will like it.

This is how nobility think, basically, right @DragonParadox?
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Yes, good summation.
 
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065tdsa said:
He is a septon, it's just the Seven have a ridiculous policy of not empowering or talking to any beside their chosen. So this guy has no idea what the actual opinions of his gods are and is going with his own beliefs.
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I don't think they have such a policy, they just have a policy of only directly empowering their chosen, their chosen can then in turn train others.

Which is also a thing with the old gods, the old gods only empower a few champions, because the Other's get to empower someone each time they do so, so the old gods empower a few, and those in turn teach others how to reach out for the power, the Seven probably have similar restrictions, that mean they can only directly empower 7 champions, the rest of their followers must be empowered though learning from their champions, or from their champions students.
 
Well I have a theory as to why the divine aspects faith is so unable to get its shit together. Remember how in the original text they are described as seven aspects of the same god. Well the less educated think they are seven separate gods. That leads to a clash between what each aspect preaches and doesn't. For example the Warrior teaches martial excellence and violence while the mother preaches kindness and forgiveness. Two very opposing ideas so as it stands to reason the Seven can't coordinate because they are clashing as both as separate and as conjoined beings.
 
Azel said:
We shelled out 10,000 for the Moonsingers right?
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A fair bit more than, actually. Ours is actually bigger and fancier than the one in Braavos. I assume building a temple grander than Baelor's Sept would give the impression we want.

Rich and powerful as all hell, and willing to play ball so long as you properly kowtow before the emperor.
 
Azel said:
We shelled out 10,000 for the Moonsingers right?
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If you are planning on crafting a Sept the like of Moonsingers' temple for them, please also make sure to drop enough listening-in devices for a platoon of Inquisitors inside.
Just a precaution, mind you.

Also, we are dropping more faiths than Red God and Seven in SD this turn, if I have anything to say about it.

@everyone, once it's morning, i'll add
[] Commune with Meraxess, learn of her history with the 15th, and if her resurrection will hamper any future effort of ours against him.
to the minor actions.

We can probably break off her connection to 15th by utilising Yss? Maybe?
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@DragonParadox, would feeding Yss the Red Dragon Orb in order to resurrect Meraxxes with little power but no connection to 15th work?
 
Takesis said:
Oh yeah, we're not.

We're only doing Burny's census this month. Next month then.
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no no, mind you, I'm very much shameless in adding minor actions to already-voted list unless it's nearing the end of the month.

While letting people know, ofc.

If we are doing Burny, we can probably get info on a bunch of other religions DP no doubt have statted up throughout the years and see if any are good.
 
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[X] "Wise words. Likewise, it would be foolish of me to judge you by the actions of those preachers with less pure intentions, or to turn away a helping hand in these troubled times. Let it be known then that the Faith of the Seven now truly joins the creeds preached in my realm." // Making it clear here that the Seven are one of many.
-[X] Give him 20,000 IM in funds and the support of the Bulabar to erect a great sept between the Minotaur Village and the library. // This shunts the Sept to the outskirts of SD and into a less prestigious locale then the two Godswoods in the inner ring. Also encourages growth to the west to integrate the Minotaur Village into SD to become the Minotaur District.
-[X] Also rope in Azema to help the effort. She knew Hugor of the Hill after all and has a great sense for aesthetics.
 
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It wouldn't, the 15th Explicitly is connected to all things derived from Valyria, "and their Gods", and Meraxes is treated by her worshippers as explicitly Valyrian, practicing Valyrian traditions in the course of their worship, attempting to glorify and recreate Valyrian tradition (with probably increasing success with her whispering suggestions to her priests).

You would have to fundamentally change her nature so that she is disconnected from her Valyrian origins. Which... she might be willing to do. But it seems like it would extend to steering Volantis as a whole away from trying to relive the glory days, which is exactly the platform Zherys marched to the top on. And actually is a proponent of.

To be fair, I currently view Zherys as an unenlightened to the virtues of Empire and Progress version of Malarys. So much potential... so little screen time.
 
Azel said:
Also encourages growth to the west to integrate the Minotaur Village into SD to become the Minotaur District.
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That is... Not what will happen. Minotaur population is far too low and too often absent (Legion service) to be a properly structure-creating element of our city fabric. They are a symbolic but ultimately anecdotal element of Sorcerer's Deep.

Worst case building the expensive Sept there will attract Westerosi in droves and price the Minotaurs out of the local housing market.
 
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