Sure. I actually want to rebalance her whip a bit, too. It's a tad too strong.

For Waymar, for some point, for some reason, he lost his touch-range dispel.

Should add that back in.
IMO if he's going Abjurant Champion he should be getting Deflect and Dispel Magic in his spells learned. Deflect would go to +10 AC, and quickened Dispel Magic (or maybe even Slashing Dispel) is pretty great.
Sadly Shield isn't on the Duskblade spell list. It's great for Abjurant Champions, but I guess you can't win them all.
 
Ask DP, though I would have added it if you had said something earlier.
I'm fine with plan modifications here and there as long as the action has not yet come up in the narrative.
Returning to that, could we please have that added in the plan then, @Azel?

I kinda have noone but myself to blame for this bout of awkwardness, but I have to note, that reading through all strategic actions is really damn hard for me without skipping bits and pieces :/
 
Not to mention her poisons, which also never get used.

On the bright side her expertise means there's some overlap and she helps Waymar with far more useful alchemy.

I mean to use poison Tyene needs to get close doesn't she? Beside we can probably send her on an infiltration mission to kill people. Poison works great in those regards
 
I mean to use poison Tyene needs to get close doesn't she? Beside we can probably send her on an infiltration mission to kill people. Poison works great in those regards

There are spells that can be used to deploy poison from a distance (remember how the Uniila poisoned Lya with an envenomed spell?) as well as simply applying the poisons to weapons, like her whip that she never uses.
 
There are spells that can be used to deploy poison from a distance (remember how the Uniila poisoned Lya with an envenomed spell?) as well as simply applying the poisons to weapons, like her whip that she never uses.

Has Tyene been relegated to support that much? Hmm we should have her use poison more often. They would really help in a couple fights, especially when we are trying to capture rather than kill. The spider poison is goods for that isn't it?
 
What are you doiiiiing!!!
Seriously though, I love Dispelling builds, but a level 3 dispeller is a joke. Give her Divine Defiance at level 5 or 6 at the earliest, when she can actually use Dispel Magic. Improved Counterspells is nice, but it requires "a spell of the same school one or more levels higher than the target". This means that you're using 2 feats for the amazing power of counterspelling level 1 spells. :/
However, long-term Dispelling is awesome. I'm not sure what the PrC you want to put her into later is (my firewall blocks pfsrd which is apparently "untrustworthy and linked to past viruses"), but if you can I'd suggest dipping Wizard around level 9 (or somehow getting Magical Training), taking Alternate Spell Source before taking 1 level of Archmage (for "every spell Counterspelled is in fact returned to sender"). Doing this is feat-heavy (3 required to get into Archmage) but it's amazing in a build that Counterspells a lot. It basically makes your whole party immune to save-or-die spells, especially if you use advantages like the Inquisition Domain or Dispelling chord.

And if she's doing dangerous encounters, I strongly suggest that you get her Healing Devotion instead. It auto-activates when you go beneath 0 HP, after all.
And if she's meant to be a healer for Amrelath, consider Draconic Aura (Vigor).
Or how about a Persisted Lesser Vigor? DMM, Extra Turning, Extend Spell, Persist Spell. If you took Undead Domain (free Extra Turning) she could take Chain Spell, buy a nightstick, and cast a Persisted Chained Lesser Vigor over 4 people.
EDIT: Or she could use Domain Substitution every few days to get the Undeath Domain, if her God doesn't offer it.
She has to take Improved Counterspells for the PrC, so I already went all in with the Divine Defiance, that way she's a decent Dispeller at 5 and can enter the class on 6, none of that annoying retraining necessary (that irritates me on some level).

I don't like healing devotion, getting some minor Fast Healing after going down is only useful in that tiny area between 0 and death and in that area you might as well wait till Amy uses his healing belt.
The aura is similarly pointless, considering Amrelath's total hp. Useless during battle and afterwards some healing wands or scrolls are just as good.

All in all I admit that her build won't come into its own for 2 levels, but that's how I see the only chance of her getting good at that point then, if she survives so long
 
Returning to that, could we please have that added in the plan then, @Azel?

I kinda have noone but myself to blame for this bout of awkwardness, but I have to note, that reading through all strategic actions is really damn hard for me without skipping bits and pieces :/
Edited that on the sheet.

@Goldfish, reminder here that we need to check Mindblank coverage for both away parties.
 
She has to take Improved Counterspells for the PrC, so I already went all in with the Divine Defiance, that way she's a decent Dispeller at 5 and can enter the class on 6, none of that annoying retraining necessary (that irritates me on some level).

I don't like healing devotion, getting some minor Fast Healing after going down is only useful in that tiny area between 0 and death and in that area you might as well wait till Amy uses his healing belt.
The aura is similarly pointless, considering Amrelath's total hp. Useless during battle and afterwards some healing wands or scrolls are just as good.

All in all I admit that her build won't come into its own for 2 levels, but that's how I see the only chance of her getting good at that point then, if she survives so long
She'll die before she reaches level 6.
Look, how about taking Divine Defiance at level 5 through retraining? Now you could get healing up or something. I like the DMM idea, it makes her marginally more useful than she is now with her unimpressive melee, her nonexistent useful combat magic, and her focus on counterspelling level 1 spells.

Feats: DMM, Extend Spell, Persist Spell, Improved Counterspelling, Chain Spell, Flaws (Noncombatant and Vulnerable)

This means forgetting Protection Devotion, which is a shame. But then if Amrelath buys her a nightstick (it's cheap!) and a Reliquary Holy Symbol (even cheaper!) and she uses Domain Substitution to swap out Ocean for Undeath, she can cast a Chained Persisted Lesser Vigor on 4 people (which is great). Then at level 6 give her Divine Defiance.

Even better: she can cast Substitute Domain the previous day, prepare spells (but not domain spells) at dawn, cast her Persisted Chained Lesser Vigor, and then end Substitute Domain to get Ocean back and prepare her domain spells.

If I were you I would make her Lawful Neutral. That way at level 4 she could take Church Inquisitor, which is awesome for counterspellers.

You have clearly not actually read Descartes.
He wrote "Je pense donc je suis" (I think therefore I am) at one point, yes. Yet that's probably a mistake (argue modern critics) because when he wrote the "Méditations Métaphysiques" his argumentation specifically said that his sentence cannot have a causal link within it, because I have not established that I am capable of comprehending causality.
Indeed, his actual famous quote is "Je suis, j'existe" ("I think, I am"). He only wrote "I think therefore I am" in 1 other book (and a letter to someone, I believe) in which he isn't trying to explain it.

And this is a simplification too. I'm not an actual philosopher/historian so I couldn't go deep into it, but there are specialists out there who insist that "cogito, ergo sum" was actually someone else's idea first and that Descartes just made it popular and actually tried to justify it. That's still rather disputed though.

This is revenge for tagging me as a useless pedant who likes to argue about pointless details earlier:
I think they aren't being deliberately obtuse. I'm seeing people responding to you who rarely post as is, so my guess is they aren't heavily invested in the discussion so much as being pedantic.

Trust me, around here if you want people to listen to your arguments you have to skate by on a combination of willful stubbornness in the face of people being anal about minor details to try to undermine your argument, and also raise the bar on your arguments by firming up any foundational approach to them that people might find more compelling. They have to be multi-layered since a lot of people around here will argue with you if they don't agree with just one part of it, and I suspect it's just because they enjoy debate.

Not naming names.


:V
Seriously?
I wasn't involved in @Deliste's discussion! Argh!
And I don't even have a history of opposing your proposals at all! You are clearly confusing me with someone else!
 
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@egoo, I'm not even remotely miffed about this thing with the Inquisition action, that was pure miscommunication, though do you maybe have a suggestion how to improve the plan format to make it easier for people to read without dozing off?

Also, two more minor actions:
-[] While setting up things for the festival in Braavos, have a short chat with the Sealord:
--[] Would he prefer to start his war with Pentos in the early days of the next month or dramatically interrupt the festival with the announcement of it? The latter option ensures him live-coverage of the event to half of Essos, meaning we can easily spin the narrative of the war to whatever we like.
--[] Feel out how he thinks about us establishing a Inquisition and Scholarium branch in Braavos. The Silvereye would remain as a society that is more or less part of both organisations.

Also, memo to myself when going for the actual festival prep, we need to invite our Westerosi allies by Brazier. While it's unlikely that the Lords themselves can come, it would be rude not to do this and maybe they will send their heirs and assorted family. Tyene would most likely love to see Aryanna and her sisters again, and the same goes for Waymar and Ysilla seeing their brothers.
 
@bigbow, how large are the figures again? Need to calculate how much steel we will need for this.

Catching up now but they should be just a little bit bigger (call it 2 mm or so) than a classic green plastic toy soldier. Those typical green vs yellow guys which have bazookas, minesweepers, rifles, flamethrowers and the odd SMG. Kind of those WH40k figures but a bit smaller.

Imperial Furies are already there, though I'll refine the description a bit. I'll get started on the companions too though that'll probably be tomorrow afternoon since I'm currently without a pc where I am and the phone is a pain.

I'll probably revamp the whole description a bit and give it more meat and figurines during the next day or two, then post it again if that's okay with you @DragonParadox ?
 
Catching up now but they should be just a little bit bigger (call it 2 mm or so) than a classic green plastic toy soldier. Those typical green vs yellow guys which have bazookas, minesweepers, rifles, flamethrowers and the odd SMG. Kind of those WH40k figures but a bit smaller.

Imperial Furies are already there, though I'll refine the description a bit. I'll get started on the companions too though that'll probably be tomorrow afternoon since I'm currently without a pc where I am and the phone is a pain.

I'll probably revamp the whole description a bit and give it more meat and figurines during the next day or two, then post it again if that's okay with you @DragonParadox ?
I've used some Fermi estimate and the weight of a 40K mini to determine the necessary materials. Read on.

And yes, I'm not only willing to throw that much steel at this, I intend to even brag about it.
 
This means forgetting Protection Devotion, which is a shame. But then if Amrelath buys her a nightstick (it's cheap!) and she uses Domain Substitution to swap out Ocean for Undeath, she can cast a Chained Persisted Lesser Vigor on 4 people (which is great). Then at level 6 give her Divine Defiance.
I believe DP ruled that Extra Turning and Nightstick doesn't stack, mostly because of TNE's attempts to increase Permanancy from Dany.

But for the entire proposal, no.
I don't want another DMM caster or a Church Inquisitor for someone who has little to do with Inquisition or Church.
Her going on Envoy of balance is supposed to be the attempt to make a flavorful Cleric that doesn't work with the small circle of optimal choices a Cleric has.
And she'll still be decent because she's a Cleric.
 
So, am I the only one that thinks putting up a Mirror on the Wall is a shot in the foot?

It's not something clearly and obviously useful to them. It's one thing to accept swords and armor and talismans with three headed dragons embossed everywhere, it's another to casually let us put up a giant propaganda projector there.
 
though do you maybe have a suggestion how to improve the plan format to make it easier for people to read without dozing off?
Nooot a single idea. Sorry.
Also, two more minor actions:
-[] While setting up things for the festival in Braavos, have a short chat with the Sealord:
--[] Would he prefer to start his war with Pentos in the early days of the next month or dramatically interrupt the festival with the announcement of it? The latter option ensures him live-coverage of the event to half of Essos, meaning we can easily spin the narrative of the war to whatever we like.
--[] Feel out how he thinks about us establishing a Inquisition and Scholarium branch in Braavos. The Silvereye would remain as a society that is more or less part of both organisations.
Added.
 
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