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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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egoo said:
@Goldfish, again I ask of thee - whatst ist about our schedule?

Are we at least doing quicksilver depthts this month?
Will we have two or three free days to read Uniila and dedicatedly summon Devils?
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The quicksilver harvesting is scheduled to occur this month. It'll happen when it happens. There are still 12 days left in the month and the expedition isn't likely to require the full six days we allotted to it. Don't bother looking at the schedule spreadsheet for now, as it's completely wrong.

I have no clue about Devil summoning. I thought we had already done that? As for the Uniila, again I have no idea.
 
Goldfish said:
I thought we had already done that?
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We kinda broke up summoning stuff in chunks, so that neither group gets the wind of us doing so in time.
Devils are the only ones left untouched for now, as they are the most organised group... and coincedentally, the one whom smarting up will be worst for us.
So, we should read through Uniila (True Names, details of operations, strategic situation in hells roght now, What is wrong with Celestial planes, etc), and then flash-summon every single one we can.

Rakshasa are technically fiends too, but eh, they matter much less if my understanding of Hells and their forces is correct.
Rakshasa don't serve Devil-lords, right?
Because otherwise, we'd need to summon those who survived us in Valyria this month too.
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Rakshasa are Native Outsiders. I'm not sure if they can be Summoned at all.
 
Planar binding specifies summoning Outsiders.

SRD tells me that Outsiders are
An outsider is at least partially composed of the essence (but not necessarily the material) of some plane other than the Material Plane. Some creatures start out as some other type and become outsiders when they attain a higher (or lower) state of spiritual existence.
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And Native is:
A subtype applied only to outsiders. These creatures have mortal ancestors or a strong connection to the Material Plane and can be raised, reincarnated, or resurrected just as other living creatures can be. Creatures with this subtype are native to the Material Plane (hence the subtype's name). Unlike true outsiders, native outsiders need to eat and sleep.
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Kinda weird :/
Apparently there is no clear ruling except by a GM.

Well, let's see what you have in store for us, DP.
Worse comes to worst, we'll summon them from Shadow Tower.
 
Azel said:
@zxzx24, my opinion on some members of the thread turning into racist bastards while chasing an ill-defined concept of Good is well known.

If I had a penny for every time someone wanted to play Illithid Scientist to "fix" someones personality...
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Oh yes, our Imp discrimination has been terrible.

But more seriously, I uh only recall Glyra, and I think that most agreed on that?

Snowfire said:
Viserys as he is now can be seen as good to a degree, or neutral. There is no disputing his lawful nature ever, but I would argue that few of his motivations could be seen as accurately Evil, ever. So why make a fuss? The 'anti-Evil' group (I'm pro-Stable, not anti-Evil, there's a difference) has basically already won. Why are people pushing for more?
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Our setting is kinda filled with Bastards with Bastard covering. I'm gonna take my spot of hope, thank you very much.

I uh am not really pushing for anything? Unless Viserys is "finding his god" in Bahamut I don't think a race change will ever be in play, it's just so fundamental to him ..but Bahamut being kinda hardcore on the tribulations of the faithful probably not even then.

Artemis1992 said:
Eventual kids?

I am in favor of never having any beyond the one construct for Syrax, but other seem to want some.
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They'd be just an entirely new problem for Viserys and so I'd find pretty interesting.
..on the other hand we'll start fighting about parenting styles*.

*a topic that has always been discussed in calm and rational matter xD
 
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People, we want to have kids who are as good at social-fu as us. This means NOT GIVING THEM SOLELY TO CHAOTIC MURDER-NANNIES.
Although they would probably level like crazy if they survived...

And everyone, let's not kill the Undying just yet. We know very little about them: maybe they're useful or can be integrated into the Empire!

In canon they were desperate, hungry, and selfish. None of those things is too bad a crime!
Assholes can be useful tools. I want to investigate.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
People, we want to have kids who are as good at social-fu as us. This means NOT GIVING THEM SOLELY TO CHAOTIC MURDER-NANNIES.
Although they would probably level like crazy if they survived...

And everyone, let's not kill the Undying just yet. We know very little about them: maybe they're useful or can be integrated into the Empire!

In canon they were desperate, hungry, and selfish. None of those things is too bad a crime!
Assholes can be useful tools. I want to investigate.
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As I said, first we try to establish a pecking order. They probably have useful stuff and a decent amount of acceptable people in their ranks. We will probably have to murder Pyat Pree to take over, but I'm sure we can find room for a new set on the skull racks.

So we basically burn only the parts that are not useful. If that's barely anything, great! If it's the whole order, fine by me. We can still loot their library and tower.

Edit: I'm pretty sure Genghis Khan would wholeheartedly endorse this post.
 
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A reminder that the Warlocks of Qarth had magic and were immortal during the waning of magic.

Now there's magic aplenty.

I strongly recommend not assuming that what appears to be a Cabal of Lichs to be pushovers. Mamon challenged us in the snare, when everything was set against him, and he lost hard.

It appears that their power is mostly bound to the House of the Undying however - to the point that they don't even indulge in Qarthi politics beyond the immediate neighborhood of the House.

We're much better of ignoring them. They showed no interest in us, and so neither should we. When the Lannisters approached them for help in killing Viserys they did fuck all and instead annoyed the delegation so much that the Lannister mage was considering attacking them.

If they wanted us dead, they'd have worked with the Lannisters. Instead they just trolled them.


That aside, Qarth is literally next to Yi Ti. It's as far from Tolos as Tolos is from Sorcerer's Deep. So long as Sothoryos has not flourished into a realm of its own, administering regions that far would be a nightmare.

We always complain about not having enough time to deal with important matters, so let's not just start another knee-jerk conquest when we already have a dozen plates spinning.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
People, we want to have kids who are as good at social-fu as us. This means NOT GIVING THEM SOLELY TO CHAOTIC MURDER-NANNIES.
Although they would probably level like crazy if they survived...

And everyone, let's not kill the Undying just yet. We know very little about them: maybe they're useful or can be integrated into the Empire!

In canon they were desperate, hungry, and selfish. None of those things is too bad a crime!
Assholes can be useful tools. I want to investigate.
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I would be the Lawful Neutral, or perhaps Neutral Evil, murder-nanny.

@Artemis1992 would be the cool Chaotic murder-nanny, while all the little monsters plotted to kill me for putting shock collars on them.

"It puts the toys in the bin or it gets the shock collar again!"
 
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MTB said:
I thought our out-of-character problem with Bahamut was that he'd forestalled the Tiamat deal if Dany had chosen her purity over the life of her brother (long-term consequences be damned). And the perception that Bahamut invented the stick LAWFUL good paladins have a problem with.
In character, his opinion might be influenced by the slightly biased info he gets in the dragon dreams.
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That was clarified: he could not act before Tiamat had her go. She had the better/stronger claim, and thus the right to tempt us first.

So I'm now cool with him.
 
Algalon said:
We always complain about not having enough time to deal with important matters, so let's not just start another knee-jerk conquest when we already have a dozen plates spinning.
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Why is it always about damn conquest with you, people?!

Why teleporting in, killing stuff, looting and going out is such an incomprehensible thing?!

Warlocks don't even do stuff for their city! They just are, and that's it!
No political nishe left to fill!

And as for why?
Well, they are a cabal of damn Liches, for one.
A group of powerful-as-fuck magicians with unknown goals and shady-as-fuck means.

We assess them first.
Then we either fuck off, or (much more likely) - fuck them over.

I like to think we are way too paranoid to repeat Mammon's mistake either.

We are not going into Feywild just as much as not going into a hostile demiplane unprepared.
 
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egoo said:
Why is it always about damn conquest with you, people?!

Why teleporting in, killing stuff, looting and going out is such an incomprehensible thing?!

Warlocks don't even do stuff for their city! They just are, and that's it!
No political nishe left to fill!

And as for why?
Well, they are a cabal of damn Liches, for one.
We assess them first.
Then we either fuck off, or (much more likely) - fuck them over.

I like to think we are way too paranoid to repeat Mammon's mistake either.

We are not going into Feywild just as much as not going into a hostile demiplane unprepared.
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By subverting or killing the Warlocks, we create a power-vacuum that needs a dragon shaped, messiah flavored filling.

Which is why I'm against doing this soon.
 
I don't even have an interest in using conventional ground forces to fight the GC, which would be pointless in the extreme anyway.

I just wanted to take a huge strike team there and kill the shit out of all the stuff that actually matters, like dragons and drakes and full-casting PCs. Capture the less threatening but important stuff if possible, and generally loot the shit out of any real infrastructure that might be useful, like crafting workshops and the like--though to be honest that's probably located in the Plane of Shadow.

In which case we should hit that for sure.
 
Crake said:
I don't even have an interest in using conventional ground forces to fight the GC, which would be pointless in the extreme anyway.

I just wanted to take a huge strike team there and kill the shit out of all the stuff that actually matters, like dragons and drakes and full-casting PCs. Capture the less threatening but important stuff if possible, and generally loot the shit out of any real infrastructure that might be useful, like crafting workshops and the like--though to be honest that's probably located in the Plane of Shadow.

In which case we should hit that for sure.
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This.
So much this, fuck.

Azel said:
Which is why I'm against doing this soon.
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Which is why us not intending to do that soon is a good thing too.

Too many targets, too little time.
So much efficiency wasted.
So little killing...
T_T
 
Re:Kids.

I'm against the iron-wombs, if it even is a thing we can do, for magical genealogy reasons.

Read, the old fashioned way guarantees potent lineages and has no risk of fucking with metaphysical aspects of it.
 
Esp. since considering Lya's PRC even being pregnant would not be a deterrent to having full actions available.

*cough* EUGENICS!
 
egoo said:
Why is it always about damn conquest with you, people?!

Why teleporting in, killing stuff, looting and going out is such an incomprehensible thing?!

Warlocks don't even do stuff for their city! They just are, and that's it!
No political nishe left to fill!

And as for why?
Well, they are a cabal of damn Liches, for one.
A group of powerful-as-fuck magicians with unknown goals and shady-as-fuck means.

We assess them first.
Then we either fuck off, or (much more likely) - fuck them over.

I like to think we are way too paranoid to repeat Mammon's mistake either.

We are not going into Feywild just as much as not going into a hostile demiplane unprepared.
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You about an hour ago responding to a comment about the destruction of Qarth:
egoo said:
Literally me right now:
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So, in your own words: What is it with you complaining about people complaining about conquest just an hour after you said how much joy the destruction of a city would bring you :V

Besides, you think the city of Qarth wouldn't try to defend itself when there's suddenly a fight within its borders? We'd create significant collateral damage with would plunge the city into chaos. That means either taking care of it - which is an enormous hassle due to the distances involved - or having Dany and Viserys go into a depression about the suffering they caused because of REEEEEE Qarth.

Again, the assassination has nothing to with Qarth besides the fact that the assassin's home guild lies there. Getting distracted by Qarth is just foolish. We already have other projects running that need attention, and others that we never got to precisely because we keep starting new things.
 
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