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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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I am more than happy with chromatic Draconic instincts. It keeps other people on their toes and keeps the full fire and brimstone option on the table, if someone ever really pisses us off.
 
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Artemis1992 said:
I am in favor of never having any beyond the one construct for Syrax,
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Please, don't ever, EVER again imply as mucn as her getting anything more than "blood of targ's line" out of this in the body we're making her.
Let alone that it would be one that could count as a "child" of ours.

The implications are fucking scary, oaths or no oaths.
 
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Azel said:
I still maintain that we should have all our kids genetically engineered and grown in a vat to ensure optimal conditions and safety.
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Please ask Lya first.
I have no objections to it (assuming the vat is hella fortified) but there are many people out there who are against that kind of thing (test tube kids or surrogate motherhood) not on ethical grounds but because "it isn't my child" or "I want to have my own kids"
Coincidentally, this tends to correlate with certain cultural traits more common on Planetos than in current developed countries.

At least now we know that Lya does want kids at some point (the discussion felt a little weird to me when it got too technical before that came up IC, tbh).
Edit: by technical I mean people saying "we will have ten kids and infuse each with one Arcanum Planar Essence" or whatever. For one thing, ten kids? Damn, better be sure your partner's alright with that! And making your kids attuned to Negative Energy? This also merits discussion. :/
 
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@Goldfish, again I ask of thee - whatst ist about our schedule?

Are we at least doing quicksilver depthts this month?
Will we have two or three free days to read Uniila and dedicatedly summon Devils?
 
egoo said:
EDIT: great omake, btw.
Hey, how about a New Year Gifft?

GIVE US ANOTHER ONE.
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Practice War update first. You can all wait for now.

Azel said:
If I had a penny for every time someone wanted to play Illithid Scientist to "fix" someones personality...
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I do hope you're not referring to me here in my quest for general personal stability and alignment be damned >.>

zxzx24 said:
At our level of development it would still be Viserys, just ice cream flavored and chrome colored.
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Uhhh, no. No, it really wouldn't. Of note here, @dpara is maybe somewhat right about the thread groupings, but if so I fall into the line of 'alignment is a fundamental force'. So here is the thing with that perspective, and it's pretty much a doozy. If you assume alignment to be a fundamental force in the universe, in its form as part of every being with free will to choose it - quite a limited selection, actually - then you run into a rather massive problem. Viserys is archetypal Lawful Neutral-trending-Good. And he is, Azel. By the root of the alignment system, no matter how much you might hate it, he is. He's been far too selfless in certain actions, justifying them as needful, often I suspect more to slake the thirst of the thread than himself.

However, this is quite rightly not the same as being Good, and also defines a certain point where things are stable - more on this later.

zxzx24 said:
Changing into another kind of dragon is unlikely to effect his personality or alignment at all.
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You're wrong. Our ascension into a Red Dragon was one powered by our deepening ties with our bloodline, but a process done on our terms over time, wrestling to controp instincts and forces in our brain that were very hard to master - for an example, the piece in Crossroads where we were choosing where to go with Lya. We have reached a point of functional character stability at this point, but that wasn't easy, and involved engagement against instincts we had learnt through young years to understand and handle.

Throwing a completely different set of instincts into the mix at the same time as either deleting wholesale or modfying the ones we currently know how to deal with will not be without side-effects. It's also seen, rightly or wrongly, as a sort of 'final play' in the morality and alignment wars that have occurred, whereby one side would be actively twisting the narrative to get what they want. My opinion on if I think Viserys should try to change his Draconic influence is, at the point, rendered moot. I don't want to see the thread tearing itself apart in a morality dispute again.

Viserys as he is now can be seen as good to a degree, or neutral. There is no disputing his lawful nature ever, but I would argue that few of his motivations could be seen as accurately Evil, ever. So why make a fuss? The 'anti-Evil' group (I'm pro-Stable, not anti-Evil, there's a difference) has basically already won. Why are people pushing for more?
 
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TalonofAnathrax said:
Please ask Lya first.
I have no objections to it (assuming the vat is hella fortified) but there are many people out there who are against that kind of thing (test tube kids or surrogate motherhood) not on ethical grounds but because "it isn't my child" or "I want to have my own kids"
Coincidentally, this tends to correlate with certain cultural traits more common on Planetos than in current developed countries.

At least now we know that Lya does want kids at some point (the discussion felt a little weird to me when it got too technical before that came up IC, tbh).
Edit: by technical I mean people saying "we will have ten kids and infuse each with one Arcanum Planar Essence" or whatever. For one thing, ten kids? Damn, better be sure your partner's alright with that! And making your kids attuned to Negative Energy? This also merits discussion. :/
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Lya obviously gets a say in this, though it's still worth thinking about what Viserys stance will be.

As for the cultural thing, I doubt that will be an issue. Lya is rather open-minded and she herself exists in a non-classical state of quasi-humanity.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Please ask Lya first.
I have no objections to it (assuming the vat is hella fortified) but there are many people out there who are against that kind of thing (test tube kids or surrogate motherhood) not on ethical grounds but because "it isn't my child" or "I want to have my own kids"
Coincidentally, this tends to correlate with certain cultural traits more common on Planetos than in current developed countries.

At least now we know that Lya does want kids at some point (the discussion felt a little weird to me when it got too technical before that came up IC, tbh).
Edit: by technical I mean people saying "we will have ten kids and infuse each with one Arcanum Planar Essence" or whatever. For one thing, ten kids? Damn, better be sure your partner's alright with that! And making your kids attuned to Negative Energy? This also merits discussion. :/
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That would require us having the "I think red dragon genetic madness killed most of my family and i'm scared worried it's going to effect our future children" talk.
 
Snowfire said:
I do hope you're not referring to me here in my quest for general personal stability and alignment be damned >.>
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No, I mean all the times were people clamored to "fix" people by inventing brainwashing rituals.

There's a vast difference between offering emotional support to the mentally unstable and doing personality adjusting brain operations.

Unless you propose to give our Ex-Dragon-Ex-Dragonlord Lady a lobotomy to wane her off slavery, you won't get complaints from me.
 
Azel said:
Lya obviously gets a say in this, though it's still worth thinking about what Viserys stance will be.
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I'm heavily unsure that that's our decision complex to make. Strikes me as the same sort of 'this is how he sees the matter' issue that made rezzing Rhaella (and have I changed your mind about that being a bad thing yet :p ) automatic as a way for the Old Gods to net our support.

Azel said:
No, I mean all the times were people clamored to "fix" people by inventing brainwashing rituals.
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Oh right. Those. Those people can go and burn and suffer!

Oh, sorry. I just get a little protective sometimes.
 
Snowfire said:
Viserys is archetypal Lawful Neutral-trending-Good. And he is, Azel. By the root of the alignment system, no matter how much you might hate it, he is. He's been far too selfless in certain actions, justifying them as needful, often I suspect more to slake the thirst of the thread than himself.
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I wholeheartedly disagree with this, especially with the bolded and underlined part.

However, this discussion serves no point, so I'm not going to have it with you.
 
Azel said:
I wholeheartedly disagree with this, especially with the bolded and underlined part.

However, this discussion serves no point, so I'm not going to have it with you.
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That is fair. I do respect your opinion, and accept that mine could be shown to be quite wrong over time. And your bolded part is pretty much direct hyperbole on my part, in retrospect I probably should've left it out.

Moving on, what are your thoughts on a surgical strike on the scale of detonating a tactical nuke in Qarth to wipe out the Sorrowful Men?
 
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Snowfire said:
Practice War update first. You can all wait for now.



I do hope you're not referring to me here in my quest for general personal stability and alignment be damned >.>



Uhhh, no. No, it really wouldn't. Of note here, @dpara is maybe somewhat right about the thread groupings, but if so I fall into the line of 'alignment is a fundamental force'. So here is the thing with that perspective, and it's pretty much a doozy. If you assume alignment to be a fundamental force in the universe, in its form as part of every being with free will to choose it - quite a limited selection, actually - then you run into a rather massive problem. Viserys is archetypal Lawful Neutral-trending-Good. And he is, Azel. By the root of the alignment system, no matter how much you might hate it, he is. He's been far too selfless in certain actions, justifying them as needful, often I suspect more to slake the thirst of the thread than himself.

However, this is quite rightly not the same as being Good, and also defines a certain point where things are stable - more on this later.



You're wrong. Our ascension into a Red Dragon was one powered by our deepening ties with our bloodline, but a process done on our terms over time, wrestling to controp instincts and forces in our brain that were very hard to master - for an example, the piece in Crossroads where we were choosing where to go with Lya. We have reached a point of functional character stability at this point, but that wasn't easy, and involved engagement against instincts we had learnt through young years to understand and handle.

Throwing a completely different set of instincts into the mix at the same time as either deleting wholesale or modfying the ones we currently know how to deal with will not be without side-effects. It's also seen, rightly or wrongly, as a sort of 'final play' in the morality and alignment wars that have occurred, whereby one side would be actively twisting the narrative to get what they want. My opinion on if I think Viserys should try to change his Draconic influence is, at the point, rendered moot. I don't want to see the thread tearing itself apart in a morality dispute again.

Viserys as he is now can be seen as good to a degree, or neutral. There is no disputing his lawful nature ever, but I would argue that few of his motivations could be seen as accurately Evil, ever. So why make a fuss? The 'anti-Evil' group (I'm pro-Stable, not anti-Evil, there's a difference) has basically already won. Why are people pushing for more?
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Alright im fucking this up. Lets me try explaining it using equivalencies.

When we used alter self to turn into other kinds of dragon, we got their instincts and were able to handle them.

I do not think turning into taste the rainbow dragon will have a big impact on Viserys personality if we don't spend 50% of our time as one.

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We can dominate the Assassin and have him smuggle the nuke into their secret base in his chest cavity!
 
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Mmmm. Its bed time for me, one more before I go to bed.

@DragonParadox can we use piece of the dragon hide armor to resurrect the silver dragon it was made from?

If we can put two powerful PC tier enemies on "Foil Tiamats plans" duty for the cost of a true resurrection scroll I think it would make some people happy.
 
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