Alright, lets leave GC alone.

Tiamat has a fortress we know a location of.
A well-defended center of many operations.
The place where fffucking Illyrio is hiding, and where we might catch Blackfyre kid if we are lucky.

What stops us from attacking it, if you are so hell-fucking-bent on ignoring the other half of her current forces?

We have the PC's, we have Mindblanks, all we need is some reconnaissance and we are...
heh
Golden.
Nothing.

We can set up a team that takes out Illyrio in the first half of the month and then the Dragon Orb in the second.

With him the bag, we actually get some information on Tiamats actions and can make an informed choice on where to go with that.

But intrigue wise, we need to take over Varys network to fix our blindspots in Westeros.
 
Then lets do this and ill be very fucking happy for the rest of times.

Well, until Westerosi stupidity and backwardness triggers the fuck outta me again, but that's inevitable :/

But intrigue wise, we need to take over Varys network to fix our blindspots in Westeros.
Doing this a month after Dragon Orb (and Varys) is acceptable, imo, just so long as it is done.

Golden Company is inconsequential in the large scheme of things.

We alone could handle all they could throw at us.
A few allies or Companions and even True Dragons of theirs won't be much of a problem.

And hopefully, we'll take out a large enough swathe of their magical support with the mansion to make problems for them anyway.

(Taking Orb now instead of going for illyrio takes a bit more priority just so that there is no race against time to get it later, imo)
 
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We don't know how much Varys and Illyrio still work together, so we should take both of them at the same time.

Also a reminder here that Viserys will be busy taking care of his two shiny new cities next month, so it's unlikely that he will have time for either. Luckily, we got another bunch of high-level PCs.
 
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That we know of. There is bound to be at least a few surprises
I'm pretty sure it was meant as "Nothing stops us from doing such an action, it is sensible-ish and won't take an undue amount of time from schedule, unlike Golden Company".

The fact that it's a fucking well hidden, and even better defended is a given.
 
We don't know how much Varys and Illyrio still work together, so we should take both of them at the same time.
That's... A very good argument.

Alright, objection removed, we can do the orb the month after Illyrio.
I think.
How many months do we have before it's officially not safe, again?
 
Golden Company is inconsequential in the large scheme of things.

At least as far as we know. As the saying goes "For want of a Nail".....

We alone could handle all they could throw at us.
A few allies or Companions and even True Dragons of theirs won't be much of a problem.

So long as they dont have any hidden tricks or gambits prepared, which knowing tiamat, they most definitely do. In fact, I would not be surprised if she has contingencies for when we come.

And hopefully, we'll take out a large enough swathe of their magical support with the mansion to make problems for them anyway.

Hopefully being the key word there.

Plan for the worst and hope for the best.

I'm pretty sure it was meant as "Nothing stops us from doing such an action, it is sensible-ish and won't take an undue amount of time from schedule, unlike Golden Company".

The fact that it's a fucking well hidden, and even better defended is a given.

Well, it being well hidden and even better defended means it will likely take from the schedule since we are likely going to have to spend some time utterly burning away the cancer that they are.
 
The plan seems more like...

Conquer Lys --> Annex Myr --> Conquer Pentos --> Personal Union Braavos --> Personal Union Volantis --> Lorath liable to follow under favorable terms following economic pressure from multiple fronts
| Qohor Assessed | Military Build-up | Dragon Orb Secured | Qohor Intrigue Advanced | Further Build-up | Allies Gathered for assault on more dangerous enemy, Tiamat.

At this point, strategically the Lannisters would be growing their most desperate, but resources set aside to deter attack from them would prove sufficient, and the damage they can do is not greater than our ability to mitigate regardless.

Tiamat has basically been free to operate and prepare, and has more than enough intelligence gathering capabilities to assess our intentions and realize the last opportunity she has to strike at us is when we are busy in Westeros.

So we don't really have a choice, we are operating in an informational blackout here. Our two real options aren't, as some have suggested 1) Invade Westeros at this point or 2) Attack Blackfyre/Tiamat conspiracy.

It is 1) Develop Intelligence Network and theater level defenses across the breadth of our new borders (I.E consolidate, which allows the enemy to dig in similarly.
or
2) Accept a clash as inevitable at this point and gather allies for a final assault on Tiamat's main foothold on the plane.

The Lannisters, if they go full-on during this period of inattention, have enemies closer to home and thus more to distract them if they press too hard. Tiamat has no such impediments

Just as we have increased the timescale of action in the face of our enemies escalating further, every time we advance our schedule ahead of previous expectations, our enemies grow more desperate to check our progress, as has been demonstrated recently, and fantastically painting the picture of that desperation in that, what to an enemy faction seemed a well developed and resource heavy intrigue was countered and collapsed almost to the source in a single afternoon trivially upon getting it in our sights.

We have more mindblanks muddling things now, but the general picture painted by our 'rhythm' so to speak and how the map will be painted should be easy to read. It may just be a possible future, but before it was just one of hundreds or thousands of possible short-term futures. With the pace we have been acting on, and the complicity of so many major world figures, that has narrowed down more and more to mere dozens, if that, and every time we advance one of our objectives and achieve a goal, the possibilities become more narrow, until the shadow of Then becomes more fixed, especially since increasingly the only way to disrupt that fixed possibility is killing Viserys or otherwise creating a quagmire for him to sort through.

We have sidestepped several quagmires neatly through a combination of ingenuity and sheer competence (mixed with similar incompetence of others). But neither side has been engaged in a war to the knife, either, and as the day closes to our final ascension, the likelihood of another side going all out attack first before we ride the sheer inertia behind our cause to its final conclusion becomes all but assured.
No
We are taking Westeros before the year is out.
Qohor and Lorath may not be taken this year. Those are shitty vanity projects that I dislike and that others feel are absolutely not urgent. Braavos may be later too, when it's convenient for the Sealord. He'll probably wait until we rule most of the world, so that he can make subjugation acceptable to the people and Keyholders.

The plan:
  • Take Lys
  • Take Myr
  • Help the Braavosi in their conquest of Pentos (when they ask us to)
  • Deal with Tiamat using PC strike teams (and maybe false raven constructs)
  • Westeros Intrigue
  • Take Westeros
 
At least as far as we know. As the saying goes "For want of a Nail".....



So long as they dont have any hidden tricks or gambits prepared, which knowing tiamat, they most definitely do. In fact, I would not be surprised if she has contingencies for when we come.



Hopefully being the key word there.

Plan for the worst and hope for the best.



Well, it being well hidden and even better defended means it will likely take from the schedule since we are likely going to have to spend some time utterly burning away the cancer that they are.
Hah!
I appreciate all the reasonable paranoia, man.

It is refreshing to not to have be the one to fear the worst when planning stuff.
:p

I guess we'll cross that bridge when we get there.
I, for one, certainly am going to push for being as over-prepared as possible.
 
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Mmmmm.

We could always track down that bahamutian cleric again.

He's probably opposing tiamats plans. Somehow.

Edit: speaking of glinties. @DragonParadox could we use that Dragonhide armor to ressurect that silver dragon?

Armor is nice, minions however...

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Damnit now I'm imagining Argo riding a dragon into battle...
 
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Bahamut...
Eh.

So long as a god is willing to play ball and follow the laws we set, I have no problems with them...

But he most likely won't, will he?

He's too much of a self-righteous ass to accept many things we do as necessary.
So, I don't really care about him.

Better have Dany start that cult of Draconic Glory, than give worship to assholes like Baggy and Timmie.
 
Bahamut...
Eh.

So long as a god is willing to play ball and follow the laws we set, I have no problems with them...

But he most likely won't, will he?

He's too much of a self-righteous ass to accept many things we do as necessary.
So, I don't really care about him.

Better have Dany start that cult of Draconic Glory, than give worship to assholes like Baggy and Timmie.
Are you o.k?

Your responses usually have more...

Fire.
 
Are you o.k?

Your responses usually have more...

Fire.
Oh come on.
I try to act reasonable and this what I get?!

Meh.
[:V]

I'm pretty burned out on many issues right now.

I have managed to get a confirmation of us attacking Tiamat's place before we'll go to Westeros.
I'm more than content on that front now.

Orb... Eh, it's a nice sacrifice, but with us not knowing if rezzing Meraxxes will make it harder to kill 15th, I can't rightfully do what I really want to do with it, so to Yss it goes.

Bahamut is not worth getting as a god in our pantheon, but unless someone starts pushing for soing just that, I see no reason to argue how much of an asshole he is and point out all failures of his.

Westeros is a pile of shit and we all know it, but fighting the fact that we have to go there won't get me anywhere, so I'll just keep to crying out "Bullshit!" whenever appropriate.

Illithids, Warlocks, Fey, Devils, Others, R'hlor, Efreeti, Ymeri, Drunken Asshole, Drunken Asshole that is a God...
We have way too many active enemies now.
Too many things we can't just go and kill off as is efficient and right/proper.

I think my "Rage-o-meter" is broken by this point, so unless they actively act against us, I can't bring myself to care.
 
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But he most likely won't, will he?

He's too much of a self-righteous ass to accept many things we do as necessary.

He may be self nutritious but he is ALSO known for being fair. While he may be very strongly on the "Moral" side of things he HAS been known to agree to the whole "Wrong things for the right reasons" on several occasions when the reasons were just.
 

Typo?
Adhoc vote count started by Deliste on Dec 31, 2018 at 3:25 AM, finished with 164 posts and 8 votes.

  • [X] Plan Making Lists
    -[X] Send Garin and Wyla to Braavos to talk with the Sealord and coordinate a response to this.
    -[X] Viserys goes back to Lys to hold Aedons hand.
    -[X] Rhealla can decide on her own what she and Glyra will be doing in the meantime.
 
Self nutritious?

Also, while bahamut is my main man. I dont see us teaming up with him or spreading his worship.

All other issues aside because we can't stand him.

And he can't stand us.

We appreciate the benefit each other bring the world, but personally there is bad blood on our side and an ocean of bad blood on his.
 
Also, while bahamut is my main man. I dont see us teaming up with him or spreading his worship.

All other issues aside because we can't stand him.

And he can't stand us.

We appreciate the benefit each other bring the world, but personally there is bad blood on our side and an ocean of bad blood on his.
Fair, but there ARE examples of chromatic dragons going to him for shelter from tiamat in exchange for becoming a metalic dragon which innately changes their nature to a degree which varies depending on how ruled they are by their draconic instincts.

Some become almost completely different dragons while others don't change that much.

Either way it nets him dragons under in HIS camp rather than hers.

Tiamat can do the same thing though....
 
Fair, but there ARE examples of chromatic dragons going to him for shelter from tiamat in exchange for becoming a metalic dragon which innately changes their nature to a degree which varies depending on how ruled they are by their draconic instincts.

Some become almost completely different dragons while others don't change that much.

Either way it nets him dragons under in HIS camp rather than hers.

Tiamat can do the same thing though....
Gosh that's super fucking creepy.

Not like we didn't demand that of our fiendish allies though.
 
Not like we didn't demand that of our fiendish allies though.
Kinda big fucking difference here, mate.

We broke Erynies' connection to Hell, yes.

If they become better people without that metaphysical "Constantly-Pump-Evil-Into-You"-leash around their necks or not is completely up to them.

What I read about Baggie/Timmie changing dragons into other dragons is roughly what best CE ally of ours got from Yss.
 
Kinda big fucking difference here, mate.

We broke Erynies' connection to Hell, yes.

If they become better people without that metaphysical "Constantly-Pump-Evil-Into-You"-leash around their necks or not is completely up to them.

What I read about Baggie/Timmie changing dragons into other dragons is roughly what best CE ally of ours got from Yss.
Fair.

And more than fair.
 
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