What would her CR be at this stage?
It's a bit hard to call a Bard's CR/level ratio.
If she were a Wizard or Cleric you could say 6 (classlevel)+1 or 2 for the better-than-human chassis.
Maybe 6 or so? She's not particularly fighty though good with Illusions.
But that wouldn't matter against someone who can likely get Truesight.
 
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Is it? I always thought it generally took 4 PCs (of default, non-jank ass PrCs with WBL equivalent gear) to make up a CR of their respective level.
 
Oh I didn't know that we showed up as both under truesight. It was my understanding that we were a dragon in body, while our mentality was human with some magpie draconic instincts scattered here and there.
One of my favorite scenes.
No matter how high you fly, nor how far you travel the burning city stretches on and on and on... Tears burn in the corner of your eyes... tears.

Dragons do not cry salt water no more than a fish might shed feathers. Like a downing man you pull at that small thread unwound from this tapestry of horrors... the ever fire gutters out as the despair that had gripped you gives way, allowing you to remember your task, remember that this is only a mirage, a weapon in the enemy's hand.
 
A general rule of thumb to determine CR would be character level -1. If they are equipped as a PC of their level, increase the CR to match their level.

NPCs
 
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Part MMDIV: Of Oaths Unveiled
Of Oaths Unveiled

Eleventh Day of the Seventh Month 293 AC

A clever ploy, but one done in haste you would judge. The answer comes swiftly indeed to mind: "Yet I was born mortal, seven-and-ten years ago or near enough, and so I have lived as one. You have not done so for a single year, and you have said already that you do not understand us. It speaks poorly of you to offer one truth, and then speak against it in the next breath."

"I cannot lie," the lady bristles, a hint of cold autumn storms in her words, "That is a 'gift' only to mortals given. That you twist my words to your own ends does not make them false."

"Verily?" you say, the confusion accentuated only by a hint of irony. "Then why do you not answer the question that was asked? Would one bargaining in good faith not answer me fairly, instead of appealing to those I thought were your allies?"

"It behooves me to speak to them also, for it is you clear seek to sunder us one from the other and break our purpose." Cold green eyes bore into yours, not with malice precisely, but a sort of predatory intensity, like a tiger lashing its tail in frustration.

"A pity that you would feel so," you say in careful non-apology. "Still the question hangs unanswered. You have given me many reasons why you desire the crown, but none why I should indulge you."

"Indulge?" the sorceress scoffs. "Is that how you see all the world, mortal and deathless, spirit and flesh? As children to be praised or punished, to have toys offered or withheld? I have given you reasons why the Reach would be well served with a more steady hand upon the tiller of the Court of Stars, yet you have claimed that we seek dominion through it. If it is trickery so be it. I confess myself such a 'trickster' and better for it than one who claimed dominion over that which was never his by threat of force. I only hope that the sons and daughters of Garth do not spend their days looking for fey deceptions in the corners and fail to see the shadow of a dragon's wings before it falls upon them forevermore."

Taking a deep breath she continues: "In the age of dawn when the world was young young fey and mortal moved in concordance, there was peace and no dominion. The use of our powers we traded freely for the work of men's hands and minds. Is it any wonder that we would offer so much more now that you have grown in skill and artistry beyond the dreams of the ancients?" So deftly does she flatter, you realize grudgingly admiring. To speak of times long gone not as a lost golden age, but one lesser than the one these men could forge gives them reason to be proud and seek unity of purpose with her all at once.

She plays at outrage masterfully also, you must admit. Rare is the eye that could see her flushed cheeks and glittering gaze for the mummer's mask it is. Alas that none present can be counted such. Looking around the great cabin you see concern aplenty, but only that a fight might start, no wariness over having been deceived, not even in Lord Paxter.

The Lord of the Arbor is certainly not one to court a fight, however. He clears his throat and proclaims: "It serves us little to quarrel over the right and wrong of the circumstances we find ourselves in. What are your terms, Your Grace?"

"That Court of Stars swear itself to a mortal lord of the skill and character needed to ensure that your assurances about the benefits come to pass," you answer plainly, the time for coy questions well and truly past.

"Yet you would accuse us of inconsistency?" the fey sorceress shakes her head as though in sadness. "If you would not trust our word when we say that it would serve men also, then why would you trust an oath of fealty?"

"'Cause there's only so many ways to swear an oath," Moonsong interjects, her smile never wavering. She adds four more words in the sweet lilting tongue of the fey.

Besides you Theon snorts in laughter. At your curious look he says none too softly: "That means: 'pay up or pack up'."

"Charming," the fey envoy replies, her charming voice made flat in annoyance. "Here then is my final word. I cannot offer any bargain on behalf of the whole of the Court. Even if I could I would not, for House Tyrell had not fulfilled its bargain to recover the crown. I can only entreat all present not to spill blood over fearful phantasms of wicked tricksome fey..."

"'Twasn't no phantasm that killed Horas," one half drunk officer speaks up in what he must fondly imagine is a whisper.

Silence descends like a lead curtain. If looks could cut as easily as steel then Paxter Redwyne's gaze would have skewered the unfortunate sailor clear through the heart. There is something else there beyond anger... fear. Not fear of the fey directly, it seems almost furtive, as though some secret was being kept, one to which Dusk-Dancer at least was party too. What could have...

The answer comes in a flash, the secrecy, the friendliness towards the fey even going to far as to side with them against elements of the Faith. Perhaps Horas Redwyne is not now as dead as he had once been, perhaps fey sorcery had restored him to life. At Sunspear you had seen how strong a bond of loyalty that could forge. Had it been to House Tyrell or to the Court of Stars? Did it even matter ultimately?

What do you say?

[] Write in

OOC: Some middling rolls for you and great rolls for the fey this turn unfortunately.
 
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"Congratulations, Lord. Such dark days ahead of us should not be further shadowed by needless loss.

"I believe this discussion has run its course. If you seek further terms, you might find an envoy's welcome in Sorcerer's Deep... along with Fey crowns."

This is barely a vote.
 
Oh my.

Well then. Isn't this interesting.

@Azel and thread I'm being loaded down with Christmas prep, probably not going to be able to votecraft for a few hours. If there's nothing I like by then, I'll see about working on something.
 
I'm honestly confused about what we are supposed to be voting on, @DragonParadox. Sure the revelation is shocking, but the Fey has already said that they can't negotiate terms, it's like she's pretending that we aren't already practically in possession of the crown. She won't instigate violence, and Paxter won't start a fight over it, and we won't give it up without assurances.

Negotiations are over for now, why the break, just timing?
 
I'm honestly confused about what we are supposed to be voting on, @DragonParadox. Sure the revelation is shocking, but the Fey has already said that they can't negotiate terms, it's like she's pretending that we aren't already practically in possession of the crown. She won't instigate violence, and Paxter won't start a fight over it, and we won't give it up without assurances.

Negotiations are over for now, why the break, just timing?

In case you want to do some more politicking with the Redwynes in light of recent revelations.
 
The problem here is, middling or great, we have the leverage in this situation. She has been discourteous and dissembling as a viper in a boot.

I mean, okay, the Reachers aren't turned against her, but she hasn't exactly delivered a compelling argument at ANY point during this conversation @DragonParadox. They have been consistently weakly constructed.
 
That is interesting isn't it? The Tyrells offers something that they do not have. Hah either they are fools or truly arrogant maybe both. Also no we aren't giving them the crown as no assurances have been given. They want it. They can come negotiate for it next month.
 
That is interesting isn't it? The Tyrells offers something that they do not have. Hah either they are fools or truly arrogant maybe both. Also no we aren't giving them the crown as no assurances have been given. They want it. They can come negotiate for it next month.

I'm more baffled that rolling well allowed her to even scrape by with a non-hostile atmosphere when she hasn't said anything of true substance so far and we've pointed out every faultline in her arguments like a chisel and hammer going to town at every point.
 
The problem here is, middling or great, we have the leverage in this situation. She has been discourteous and dissembling as a viper in a boot.

I mean, okay, the Reachers aren't turned against her, but she hasn't exactly delivered a compelling argument at ANY point during this conversation @DragonParadox. They have been consistently weakly constructed.

The point is that, if we want to, this is where we take those weakly built arguments and crack them over our knee with the misstep their officer just made. And quite possibly make the Redwynes more seriously considering of our lordship, when the time comes. She's given her position, that's clear, but she's not the only person present.

Edit: oops, wrong post quoted. Yeah, this is very valid.
 
Well, that makes dealing with Praxter rather more difficult, although it should be fairly simple to imply that Horras's death was instigated by the Fey for the obvious purpose of gaining his loyalty. Still, Lady Dusk here ain't negotiating for shit and she ain't fighting, and there isn't a quick way to win over the Redwynes, so just taking the crown and telling them to come to us whenever they feel like it might be the simplest option.
 
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