Sounds like Twitch from All Guardsmen Party.

It's always an Ork Plot.

They're native Psionists with access to corrupting materials with a vested interest in experimenting with new brain meats in the kitchen and in "managing" the flock.

This of course means that Bobby B was replaced by a Beakman infiltrator who's riding around in his brain meats (which explains why we haven't seen him sallying forth to fight demons nor devils). The only reason this hasn't be noticed and declared upon is because Jon 'Otherwise' Hawkman, Petyr 'Montebank Lord of the Third' Baelish, and Varys 'Lolth's Get' all benefit from the squid piloting around the flesh suit. This includes occasionally hiring said squids for various projects like asset retrieval and wildfire relocation assessment.

The Master of Laws, per word of DP Eldon Estermont aka Grandfather of Bobby B, has even odds of being the true power behind the Beak Throne or being in thrall to said Beak. One in five odds for both at the same time.
 
Vote closed.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Dec 24, 2018 at 4:11 AM, finished with 118 posts and 24 votes.

  • [X] Plan Fat Chance
    -[X] "So it would strengthen the rule of Fey law upon the Reach, to the detriment of the power of mortal lords." // This is pretty much exactly what she has just said, but it bears spelling out for the Reachers to catch on. If Fey pacts become stronger and the only appellation court is the Fey king, then the Fey are now officially establishing a state within a state that bypasses mortal ruler-ship as inconsequential. Coupled with the admission that the Fey will have an easier time plotting, she might as well ask for Highgarden to be handed over.
    -[X] "You may hide it behind pleasant words and claims of mutual benefit, but this is what your desires will bring in the end. A Fey court raised beyond the power of the lords of the Reach or any other mortal that they are sworn to. I take it that arrangements have been made that territory will be ceded to this new kingdom you seek to make? Maybe a pact or two forged to that effect in anticipation of binding the fool who made it tight as vice with your newfound power?" // Keep a cordial tone, but this is to pull Paxter and the other Reachers on our side, potentially even leading them away from the Tyrells, depending on what dealings have been made there. This worsens her bargaining position considerably and ensures that any violence she starts will result in Paxter siding with us over "the treacherous Fey".
    -[X] "As I stated before, an independent realm in the Reach is not within my interest, especially so if wields to power to bind any and all around it to it's will with bargains struck by clever tricksters. You have been giving me plenty of reason why you desire the crown, but none why I should indulge you. You speak about bargains made, but you have not offered any such. So then, in plain and simple words so that this poor mortal can understand, if I let you have this crown, what shall I get in turn? Would your lord and his court be willing to swear itself to a mortal lord of the skill and character needed to ensure that your assurances about the benefits come to pass?" // The correct answer to the last question is yes, otherwise she just proved everything else we've just said and we gain Paxter as a consolidation price.
    -[X] If she now proposes to swear to Mace Tyrell, just snort and calmly explain to her that you are not reassured. Either Mace is an idiot for missing the implications of this bargain or he is an idiot for thinking a independent Fey realm carved from the lands of his bannermen is a good idea.
 
Second person.

I think you are missing a "know" before the "had".

Second person again.

Also, wasn't he going to Greater Restoration it away?

Second person, yet again.

Shouldn't it be Way?

This is why I shouldn't write back to back updates in different tenses. Thank you again, it's enormously appreciated.

Oh, and on the Greater Restoration point? Yes, he did. High Nobility entropy magic is tenacious as hell. Same metaphysical grounding involved here as why Mind Blank cast on Harry always seems to break at dawn, regardless of how much of its duration is left.
 
I also kind of want to upgrade Velen and get him to evolve into a normal or even greater pheonix if only to increase his knowledge and thus his students power.
Sorry, this isn't happening. Creatures don't just evolve like that under normal circumstances, and certainly not from Lesser Phoenix to an actual Phoenix. That's along the lines of hoping a drake turns into a dragon.

In any case, welcome to the end of the quest.
 
Sorry, this isn't happening. Creatures don't just evolve like that under normal circumstances, and certainly not from Lesser Phoenix to an actual Phoenix. That's along the lines of hoping a drake turns into a dragon.
Do we know that?

I mean, it's unlikely, but demons, devils and some other outsiders do evolve like that.
We could at least ask Velen if that's something that can happen to his kin.
 
Sorry, this isn't happening. Creatures don't just evolve like that under normal circumstances, and certainly not from Lesser Phoenix to an actual Phoenix. That's along the lines of hoping a drake turns into a dragon.

In any case, welcome to the end of the quest.
Actually, it's quite possible that Lesser Phoenixes can become Greater Phoenixes upon gaining a certain number of HD or magical power. There are a lot of creatures who grow in size significantly after crossing certain HD thresholds.
 
Do we know that?

I mean, it's unlikely, but demons, devils and some other outsiders do evolve like that.
We could at least ask Velen if that's something that can happen to his kin.
We could ask, I guess, but I seriously believe the answer is a firm no.

@DragonParadox?
Actually, it's quite possible that Lesser Phoenixes can become Greater Phoenixes upon gaining a certain number of HD or magical power. There are a lot of creatures who grow in size significantly after crossing certain HD thresholds.
Wait, they can just evolve? You're kidding me.
 
Winning vote

[] Plan Fat Chance
-[] "So it would strengthen the rule of Fey law upon the Reach, to the detriment of the power of mortal lords." // This is pretty much exactly what she has just said, but it bears spelling out for the Reachers to catch on. If Fey pacts become stronger and the only appellation court is the Fey king, then the Fey are now officially establishing a state within a state that bypasses mortal ruler-ship as inconsequential. Coupled with the admission that the Fey will have an easier time plotting, she might as well ask for Highgarden to be handed over.
-[] "You may hide it behind pleasant words and claims of mutual benefit, but this is what your desires will bring in the end. A Fey court raised beyond the power of the lords of the Reach or any other mortal that they are sworn to. I take it that arrangements have been made that territory will be ceded to this new kingdom you seek to make? Maybe a pact or two forged to that effect in anticipation of binding the fool who made it tight as vice with your newfound power?" // Keep a cordial tone, but this is to pull Paxter and the other Reachers on our side, potentially even leading them away from the Tyrells, depending on what dealings have been made there. This worsens her bargaining position considerably and ensures that any violence she starts will result in Paxter siding with us over "the treacherous Fey".
-[] "As I stated before, an independent realm in the Reach is not within my interest, especially so if wields to power to bind any and all around it to it's will with bargains struck by clever tricksters. You have been giving me plenty of reason why you desire the crown, but none why I should indulge you. You speak about bargains made, but you have not offered any such. So then, in plain and simple words so that this poor mortal can understand, if I let you have this crown, what shall I get in turn? Would your lord and his court be willing to swear itself to a mortal lord of the skill and character needed to ensure that your assurances about the benefits come to pass?" // The correct answer to the last question is yes, otherwise she just proved everything else we've just said and we gain Paxter as a consolidation price.
-[] If she now proposes to swear to Mace Tyrell, just snort and calmly explain to her that you are not reassured. Either Mace is an idiot for missing the implications of this bargain or he is an idiot for thinking a independent Fey realm carved from the lands of his bannermen is a good idea.
 
Part MMDIII: A Jest in Earnest Spoken
A Jest in Earnest Spoken

Eleventh Day of the Seventh Month 293 AC

"So it would strengthen the rule of Fey law upon the Reach, to the detriment of the power of mortal lords?" There is only the slightest questioning edge to the words for form's sake, but all present hear it for the accusation it is.

The fey envoy laughs, a gentle silvery thing like the patter of gentle springtime rain. "Has any man here claimed dominion over the birds and beasts, the passage of clouds, or the way the wind blows?" she parries deftly. "Neighbors we are now, and well does it serve us to find common ground, but none can take from the dominion of the other. I for one would surely wither in keeps of stone and iron."

Iron men in iron shirts with iron between their ears, you think uncharitably as the Reacher knights swallow the show of fragility. At least Lord Redwyne does not seem to wholly buy what she is selling, what you suspect the Fey Court of the Reach has been selling for a while.

"You may hide it behind a pleasant manner and claims of mutual benefit, but this is what your desires will bring in the end," you press, allowing none of your frustration to seep into your words, for all their sharpness. "A Fey Court raised beyond the power of the lords of the Reach or any other mortal that they are sworn to. I take it that arrangements have been made that territory will be ceded to this new kingdom you seek to make? Maybe a pact or two forged to that effect in anticipation of binding the fool who made it tight as vice with your newfound power?"

The hall freezes abruptly as though some spell had suddenly turned the lords to stone in the midst of their revelry, and little wonder. You have just named their lord a fool, keeping back only his name. How many of you have thought that very thing, my lords? you wonder, looking from one wine-flushed face to another.

Lord Paxter opens his mouth to speak, clearly unsure on what to say, but Moonsong proves swifter. She shakes her head theatrically. "That's a wobbly line you've drawn down south. Maybe next time I take a ship I should say I'm not really taking it on account of the fact that I don't plan to sail it myself only hand it off for the prize money."

For the first time since the feast has begun Dusk-Dancer's expression darkens in annoyance which can be seen by all. So have threshold sprites been cursed by their greater kin, you would imagine.

You clear your throat: "In a less jesting tone I must agree. Power is power, however it is leveraged. Him weighs by his own merits oaths kept and broken, him who enforces law and pact upon men we call king, and an independent realm in the Reach is not within my interests, especially so if it wields power to bind any and all around it to its will with bargains struck by clever tricksters. You have been giving me plenty of reason why you desire the crown, but none why I should indulge you. You speak about bargains made, but you have not offered any such. So then, in plain and simple words so that this poor mortal can understand, if I let you have this crown, what shall I get in turn? Would your Lord and his court be willing to swear itself to a mortal lord of the skill and character needed to ensure that your assurances about the benefits come to pass?"

"Poor mortal says the dragon in man's skin, the sorcerer and binder of spirits fel and fair," the lady of the fey rallies. "Thou are no more poor than the Lord of the Westerlands on his mountain of gold, no more mortal than I. So I ask unto the lords, who holds the promise of an undying king, we folk of del and wood living beside your world and visiting seldom, or the wyrm who would be coiled about the throne of swords when your grandchildren's grandchildren are dust and memory?"

What do you reply?

[] Write in

OOC: Moonsong is having a great deal of fun knowing she can poke a high noble with impunity.
 
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You clear your throat: "In a less jesting tone I must agree. Power is power, however it is leveraged. Him weighs by his own merits oaths kept and broken, him who enforces law and pact upon men we call king, and an independent realm in the Reach is not within my interest, especially so if wields to power to bind any and all around it to its will with bargains struck by clever tricksters. You have been giving me plenty of reason why you desire the crown, but none why I should indulge you. You speak about bargains made, but you have not offered any such. So then, in plain and simple words so that this poor mortal can understand, if I let you have this crown, what shall I get in turn? Would your lord and his court be willing to swear itself to a mortal lord of the skill and character needed to ensure that your assurances about the benefits come to pass?"

"Poor mortal says the dragon in man's skin, the sorcerer and binder of spirits fel and fair," the lady of the fey rallies. "Thou are no more poor than the Lord of the Westerlands on his mountain of gold, no more mortal than I. So I ask unto thee lords, who holds the promise of an undying king? We folk of del and wood living beside your world and visiting seldom, or the wyrm who would be coiled about the throne of swords when your grandchildren's grandchildren are dust and memory?"
She's getting desperate. Instead of even beginning to answer our challenge for what her fey court has been planning to seize power from all mortals in the Reach, she does a huge deflection of, "But you're a dragon! We're obviously the better choice."
 
[X] "You speak of freedom to the breaker of chains? You speak of humankind to Rhaella's son, born seven-and-ten years ago in King's Landing?"
 
Lesser Pheonix

Small Outsider (Good, Extraplanar, Fire)
Hit Dice
|3d8+3 (16 hp)
Initiative|+2
Speed|10ft. (2 squares), fly 80ft. (good)
Armor Class|16 (+1 size, +2 dex, +3 Natural), touch 12, flat-footed 14
Base attack/Grapple| +3/-1
Attack|Talons +6 melee (1d4 +1d4 fire)
Full attack|2 talons +6 melee (1d4+1d4 fire) and bite +1 melee (1d4+1d4 fire)
Space/reach|5ft./5ft.
Special attacks|Burn, spell-like abilities
Special qualities|60ft darkvision, immunity to fire, vulnerability to cold
Saves|Fort +4, Ref +5, Will +5
Abilities|Str 10, Dex 15, Con 12, Int 10, Wis 14, Cha 12
Skills|Diplomacy +7, Heal +8, Knowledge (Religion) +8 Knowledge (The Planes) +6, Listen +8, Sense Motive +8, Spot +8, Tumble +8
Feats|Flyby attack, Weapon finesse
Environment| Elemental Plane of Fire
Organization|Solitary or pair
Challenge Rating|2
Treasure|None
Alignment| Always neutral good
Advancement|4-6 HD (small)

Burn (Ex)
A phoenix's natural attacks deal their normal damage plus fire damage from the phoenix's flaming body. Those hit by a phoenix's natural attack also must succeed on a Reflex save or catch on fire. The flame burns for 1d4 rounds. The save DC is 12. A burning creature can take a move action to put out the flame.

Telepathy (Su)
A phoenix may communicate telepathically with any creature within 100 feet that has a language.

Piercing gaze (Sp)
A Phoenix can always see the darkness in the hearts of mortals however they try to hide it (Detect Evil as a level 4 Cleric; at will)

Echo of the flame (Sp)
A Lesser Phoenix can imbue a echo of the eternal flames of Elemental Fire onto an item or its choice (Continual Flame as a level 4 sorcerer; 1/day)

Fan of flames (Sp)
A Lesser Phoenix can unleash a torrent of arcane fire from its wings searing multiple foes (Burning hands as a level 4 Sorcerer; 1/day)

Healing light (Sp)
As a guardian of life and harbinger of renewal a Lesser Phoenix can restore its vitality or that of its allies (Cure Light Wounds as a Level 4 Cleric; 1/day)

Augury (Sp)
Bound as it is to the Chalice of Fire Call this elemental can serve as a conduit to the item's powers of divination (Augury as a Level 4 Cleric 1/day)
Elementals do it all the time. Lots of magical beasts do it, too.

Here, look at a Griffon. Look at the bottom of its stat block. Once it reaches 11+ HD, it grows from Large to Huge-sized.
Greater and lesser phoenixes are different kindreds of the same line. While one can change into the other under certain extraordinary circumstances it is by no means automatic.
Well I'll be damned, a CR 2 creature advancing to CR 15. o_O
 
More seriously, any opinions on my proposed vote?
I almost said something like "we''re a lord and a merchant, a prince and a pauper. We've a man's soul, a man's family, and a man's honor. We know more of men that you could hope to in a thousand years."
But that felt out of place with Westerosi Lords in attendance.
 
Maybe point out that we were not only BORN as a human, but we also spent the vast majority of our life as one and that, even now, we exist both as a man and a dragon "Like two sides of the same coin"

EDIT: And on the same note point out that she not only dodged explaining but also point out and remind everyone present that, despite appearances, she is now human and never has been. Maybe try and get her to show her more "Alien" side and let them see that of human kin she is not....
 
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More seriously, any opinions on my proposed vote?
I almost said something like "we''re a lord and a merchant, a prince and a pauper. We've a man's soul, a man's family, and a man's honor. We know more of men that you could hope to in a thousand years."
But that felt out of place with Westerosi Lords in attendance.
I liked it, but at the same time it feels like we're playing into her hands with that and answering her deflection instead of steering the conversation where we want it to go. Namely to how she pointedly did not address our suspicions in any way.
 
More seriously, any opinions on my proposed vote?
I almost said something like "we''re a lord and a merchant, a prince and a pauper. We've a man's soul, a man's family, and a man's honor. We know more of men that you could hope to in a thousand years."
But that felt out of place with Westerosi Lords in attendance.
I think a deflection of our own is warranted here. Maybe something like;

"Seldom visiting? Your pardon, Lady, but if the degree of Fey activity in the Reach is what you consider a minor presence, I fear I would be shocked to learn what you think of as frequent visitation."
 
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