Also, we should take the opportunity to pass the certain bits of information.
A Different Breed (Warhammer 29K)
Is it just me or is Minor Craftworld Zahr-Tann in 29k soon after Fall have better gear for its troops then Major Craftworld Biel-Tan have 11k years later?
Getting their officers and elite troops to serve as trainers and instructors for our military might help avoid a lot of beginners' errors.
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At least on the fleet side of things, it feels like our retrofit war ketch is pretty damn scary.
And that our Holo-Field + Full Grav-Shield combo is something exceedingly nasty.
So kind of happy that our navy side of things at least doesn't look as hopeless as the army.
And that our Holo-Field + Full Grav-Shield combo is something exceedingly nasty.
So kind of happy that our navy side of things at least doesn't look as hopeless as the army.
Shit happens if you run your army into every battle you can and have to rebuild it all the time.
My guess is they had a ton of military industry (relative to their size) pre-Fall given their Craftworld is described as "Vaulish" with a militaristic bent.
Their raw industrial output probably pales in comparison to ours (we are supposed to be able to match Major Craftworlds afterall) but they likely stockpiled a ton of gear thanks to their existing military infrastructure constantly pumping it out.
Probably also why they needed help fixing their engines as most of their industrial output was optimized for weapons production and thus couldn't be redirected to fixing their engines.
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haywire? fry their internals successfully and you've pretty much guaranteed they either crash or fail to dodge the next lascannon volley.
Ironic that the turn we do a mass ship and detachment refit we end completing one of our bargains and getting the forces promised to us.
speaking of Craft Worlds with things we didn't get, given what we know of the curse, it's probably in our best interests to form a beneficial relationship with Cairas Mythar and ensure that Krorne never gains primacy, lest our work be further complicated, even if we don't get the rewards.
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The narrative of 40K eldar is constant diminishment. So, yeah.
They don't have some of the fancier aspect toys, but they also don't spam Conscripts-Guardians.
On Biel Tan, it's a real shame that no one can talk sense into them, as they could do an awful lot of good with their forces in this critical period. If they focused on going around protecting vulnerable craft worlds they could do an awful lot of good and earn a lot of credibility for their cause.
I'm almost frustrated on their behalf about how stupidly self-defeating they are.
I'm almost frustrated on their behalf about how stupidly self-defeating they are.
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So assuming the population proportion carries over to military proportion since they're both Militaristic, Biel-Tan started with...
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...34560 warhosts? Do I have that right?
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Is this a good time to pause the crash-building for a bit so we can fix our bureaucracy?
Because it occurs to me that our army refits are strongly limited by Steward AP under the current rules. Maybe we get that shrine to Khaine up too.
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That, and start building military industry. Given semi-powered armor is good enough for Zahr-Tann, I want VGW factories going up.
Zahr-Than is what Eldar could be if GW weren't cowards
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They have a smaller army (by dozens of orders of magnitude given 40k Eldar are prepared for a 100% mobilization rate) and were quite happy to pour the Good Stuff into it. Basically, think about it like this: right now, Zahr-Tann's army is the early Space Marine legions, when Volkites were standard issue and everyone was equipped with the very best gear it was possible to build. 40k Eldar are late founding chapters, the kind that are lucky to get one Land Raider and any Terminator suits at all, and you can forget any of the rare or expensive weapons.
I think we want to see how our newly designed gear works in combat before locking it in.
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Reworking a factory to produce a different kind of armor is not a big deal. And it's not a problem if we eventually end up with a stockpile of unused voidguard armor. It's good stuff to have for a rainy day.
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Maybe we can give a few suits to Zahr-Tann to get their verdict on if the suits are viable or not, would probably help to get some actual soldier opinions on our kit so we can bang out the dents.
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With Zahr-Tan's engines fixed we now have 12 Bonesinger AP, which means we could do something like the below with 2AP left to spend on developing new wargear.
[ ] The Minor Failures (1 AP each, 6 Max) (1AP)
[ ] Replace Primary Power Distribution Control (2 AP each, 4 Max) (2AP)
[ ] Repairing the Plasma System (3 AP Each, 12 Max) (3AP plus both Forge actions)
[ ] Hall of Stewardship (2 points initial, 1 point continuous | 2 turns) (2AP)
[ ] Continue refitting/repairing both Arach-Qin and Quilan's starships (2AP)
For the engines, if we can specify that any Forge Overflow should go to the Power Distribution first, then to Minor Failures second we save the most AP.
[ ] The Minor Failures (1 AP each, 6 Max) (1AP)
[ ] Replace Primary Power Distribution Control (2 AP each, 4 Max) (2AP)
[ ] Repairing the Plasma System (3 AP Each, 12 Max) (3AP plus both Forge actions)
[ ] Hall of Stewardship (2 points initial, 1 point continuous | 2 turns) (2AP)
[ ] Continue refitting/repairing both Arach-Qin and Quilan's starships (2AP)
For the engines, if we can specify that any Forge Overflow should go to the Power Distribution first, then to Minor Failures second we save the most AP.
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Zahr tann has inspired me.
What if instead of inventing an spg, why don't we just put missile launchers for our indirect attack? Rocket and missile artillery.
What if instead of inventing an spg, why don't we just put missile launchers for our indirect attack? Rocket and missile artillery.
Production infastructure for void guard is Great, But If we still can't agree to set that up, can we at least set up ilthimar production. Its the armour we are going to use less, But its also a very very good suit of armour that will see use for a long time to come even if we make better armour later. If we set up ilthimar Armour production Now, we can start building up a stock pile so we can focus our EP Production runs on the cheap Line infantry weaponry and armour like we are already sort of doing.
I would Prefer to set up void Guard foundry's, But if we can't even agree to do that, at minimum we need to get ilthimar set up to we can start cladding our elites and squad leaders in it, because when we pick out new detachments to make, we put a suit of ilthimar in every line infantry detachment.
I would Prefer to set up void Guard foundry's, But if we can't even agree to do that, at minimum we need to get ilthimar set up to we can start cladding our elites and squad leaders in it, because when we pick out new detachments to make, we put a suit of ilthimar in every line infantry detachment.
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We very much don't want to wait that long. We're about to get smacked by Orks and
Void Guard's good enough, and we have it now. We can work out the kinks later.
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Throw out all or most of the engine AP.
We are still in the short term crunch, Zahr-Tan did make it better, but the situation is still far from good.
A lot of our AP will still go into the ship retrofitting and the forge AP are far better spend on any foundry.
For the orks, remember that so far we have only dealt with the dreggs of the actual waagh and by the looks of it next turn we might have to face the actual might of the waagh and deal with a Biel-Tan attack that is going to be nasty.
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Because we Have fusion Mortars right now, Instead of going down ANOTHER tech tree to get shiny tech, we can use the stuff that already exists, that we already have and start building vehicles with it right now instead of waiting to make a military platform until we have the perfect combination of ideas.