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This.
Warning people and organizing defence efforts, yes.
Meddling and catspaws, no. That just makes enemies.
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Warning people and organizing defence efforts, yes.
Meddling and catspaws, no. That just makes enemies.
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The only time I could see us meddling is if we're trying to actively lead the Imperium to sooner deal with something they'd want to deal with already and we want gone. And even then I'd be extremely circumspect about it, not just 'we'll crash Waaaaagh!s into them until they get the message'.
Edit: You'll find all sorts of interesting tidbits if you look at our region for instance... like say the Webway route leading south from Quilan on the informational map? That correlates with a Webway gate on the larger map that evidently leads directly to Commoragh. Fun Stuff.
Edit2: I don't necessarily disagree that we should consider moving a bit though. SE past Quilan there's actually a surprising amount of Eldar presence in the Ghoul Stars and the Exodite Stars. If we're looking to establish some larger confederation/league of disparate minor Craftworlds and Exodite worlds it's probably our best bet. It would mean likely coming to sort sort of arrangement with Commoragh or at least a few Kabals in the larger term.
We're not just in the Halo Stars given that's an enormous area, if you look at the the map Mechanis is using and cross reference the map in information, you can see we're roughly north of Zarnov. If you follow the line where Ultima and Obscurus meet until Obscurus stops and then look north you'll find Zarnov and Isstvan along with other locations on the map in information. (why yes, I have spent far too much time looking at these maps to chart our locations and cross-referencing locations I know).
Edit: You'll find all sorts of interesting tidbits if you look at our region for instance... like say the Webway route leading south from Quilan on the informational map? That correlates with a Webway gate on the larger map that evidently leads directly to Commoragh. Fun Stuff.
Edit2: I don't necessarily disagree that we should consider moving a bit though. SE past Quilan there's actually a surprising amount of Eldar presence in the Ghoul Stars and the Exodite Stars. If we're looking to establish some larger confederation/league of disparate minor Craftworlds and Exodite worlds it's probably our best bet. It would mean likely coming to sort sort of arrangement with Commoragh or at least a few Kabals in the larger term.
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Huh, we are actually much closer to the gothic sector than i thought.
Those Blackstone fortresses are calling. Asset denial for chaos/imperials, and if we can activate them, a powerful insurance against invasion.
Destroying an ork rok should be trivial for those things.
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Its fun that we can locate our position so well.
Our craftworld is currently located further north than Isstvan and outside the map by a fair bit.
And with the shape of the webway i wouldn't be surprised if are at the nothern galaxtic edge.
The local scouting finding the the systems for Kronite, Isstvan, Zarnov, Othion, Syph and Ectosa that can be also seen on the galaxtic map helps a lot with getting a sense for where we are.
We also seem to have at least some distance from the Rangdan on the galaxtic map going by the position of Opuscalus Noctis and Morox.
Still too little for my taste, but hey also still 1000+ years before the Rangdan xenocides happen.
Long time for them to reach that strength.
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Enough time to make a Craftworld sized webway portal generator,hopefully.
Get our allies and gtfo, like a mother duck with three baby ducks.
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Yeah, south and eastwards seems where the more interesting things are at (we could totally raid/seize Port Maw temporarily to try and study it/exploit it for resources for instance- we probably know something about it already)
Kphra is the farthest westward system we have on our information map and it's just on our side of the north cardinal line on the larger map. Just past that is a major Webway. I'd say the goal should be scouring the Orks and extracting Meros and Arach Qin from the western region and trying to convince them to sail eastwards together and basically redefine Isstvan/Zarnov line as our western border. Kphra is substantially farther away on the larger map, and while the Webway past it at the Odeon of Shadows is probably useful, I dislike the idea of a major gateway right there if we do decide to look further eastwards. Monitor it, maybe garrison it with a naval detachment, but I'd prefer nothing of value be anywhere near there given either that way or due south from Zarnov are the likeliest routes Biel-Tan's forces might take given the major Webway portals there.
I'm been trying to find Morox and Endyris, and it's hard to even tell where the Rangda would be coming from. The wiki mentions Eastern Fringes in one breath and the North/North West the next.
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Depending on how well we've developed at that point and what kind of allies we've made I'd unironically suggest we try and be big damn heroes and defeat the Rangda (or take them out in their infancy). It'd be hard yes but we're probably still going to be more advanced than them, and doing so would earn us a lot of goodwill from all the planets in the region that were attacked by them and the slave races they held.
Edit: This could change depending on how the QM decides to spin the Rangda and how much canon info we have on them is accurate and how much is imperial propaganda.
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I personally don't think we will move much we are in a pretty good spot at the moment all things considered.
Looking at the map Commorragh has access point all over the fucking galaxy.
One in Segmentum Obsurus (location wise pretty much above the placement of the Segmentum name).
They have another one in Segmentum Ultima pretty much right next to Preyspire, Van Horne, Drisinta.
One in Segmentum Tempestus near Black Templars and Loriar
And another one at the very south of the map, near Necris.
Also one to the east of us i think near Fort Pykman, Bork and Malefeactus.
Found the craftworlds Saim Hann and Iyanden on the map, but not Biel Tan.
Edit: Also found Alaitoc
Morox is more or less directly beneath where the Segmentum Obsurus text is.
World with a black skull with wings and yellow circle around it.
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I'm pretty sure that's just what our engines are (on top of being able to move through realspace). Otherwise we wouldn't be able totravel through the Webway in the first place.
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I'm starting to hope this is a crossover with Respect your elders, and instead, we run into the lizards.
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The Blade Will Never Die
Since we've got a few centuries before the Primarchs pop off, we should hopefully be more secure and have better maps of the Webway by then.
Luckily, the three most important traitor Primarchs are also ones we have in-character reasons to interfere with. Angron is tied up in Eldar plotting, which we're going to want to keep a read on, Lorgar lands on a planet run by a low key Chaos cult, and we're going to want to be playing whack a mole with those as much as possible and Magnus is an Uber psyker who regularly engages is shouted conversations across segmentums and does astral projection dives into the Warp, so it shouldn't be too hard to notice him or get his attention so we can give the basic "don't trust mollusks or strippers" talk.
Considering what happened with interex was "Horus was actually willing to give them the benefit of the doubt until Chaos agents did a false flag to sour relations" then we just have to not let them do a false flag to sour relations. Which'll be hard, obviously, but the core tragedy of Interex was that it wasn't just "haha imperium fascist stomp nice people for no reason".
Remember that those are access points to future Commorragh after Vect rearranges the Webway topology by assimilating most of the other Webway cities and minor realms.
Currently Commorragh is just the largest of many cities in the Webway.
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A look at pre-Vect Dark Eldar from an outsider pov sounds pretty interesting.
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I think assuming and planning for this sort of stuff is waaay to early. Chaos scattered them and messes with them, so there's no guarantees they land where we expect and have the interactions we expect. Especially when we're going to be causing significant ripples, like through altering the actions of other Eldar.
At most we have the time to potentially start working towards a somewhat negative reputation with "minor races", and even that's probably going to be a shift since we didn't take the more expensive option in chargen
I hope we interact with the human planets so when the imperium eventually rocks up in 500 years and a bunch of really big dudes who all have the same, even bigger dad asks for aliens to kill the people there remember us. Ya know, the people riding around in a mobile planet ship that drop by, give out 12,000 extreme quality lasguns, warn you about a Waagh! heading your way before immediately tasking their super battleship to destroy the Waagh! in a way that makes your top scientists question the laws of physics before asking if you have any Wierd Shit they can buy. This occurs every 50 years, and each time it turns out that they managed to weaponize the Wierd Shit and further drive your physicists to drink. It'll be funny.
Not just pre-Vect; but before the Haemonculi learn how to stave off the Thirst by eating pain and teach that to the other Webway Eldar.
If we invent our own method fast enough tha we can hit the window before the Haemonculi widely share it then it might be a very attractive option for the Webway Eldar.
The Haemonculi's method involves renouncing the use of the Eldar's psyker powers (if not their inherent psychic gifts, which their ability to eat pain and souls is an example of), and so comes with a very significant downside. It's also work, as it requires going out and finding new victims to torture. Some minority of Webway Eldar might already enjoy it, but I think we're told in a few places that pre-Fall most Eldar like them were isolationist, they wanted to be left along to get on with whatever their chosen personal amusements were, which probably rarely included raiding lesser races for the lolz. They just wanted to surf solar flares or whatever.
This changed when it became the only way to keep on living and not spend eternity being tormented in Slaneesh's gullet, but until then I think that if we offer a seemingly better option many will take it, and even if they stay utterly amoral if not deeply evil, they won't have an imposed obligation to raid real space. Particularly as it also took time for the Haemonculi to learn how to extract souls from Slaneesh and so reopen the path of reincarnation, so there's a period where raiding is particularly dangerous as well as painful (as outside the wards on the Webway the Thirst is much stronger).
Of course, over time it just became a standard part of what was by then Dark Elf culture, so we'd need to introduce the idea before that could happen.
On a related note, although they're evil, many proto-Haemunculi are presumably very, very reluctant to give up the use of their psyker powers and reinvent their tech base from scratch. Some of them may be interested in collaborating.
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Even if we aren't as fast, the webway is still fragmented, so we might still find pockets that didn't get the news.
I don't think the Haemonculi route is as hard as our chosen path, but i don't think they're altruistically spreading their method to the masses.
It likely spread via word of mouth.
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Looking it up Commorragh history, there is some conflicting information about Commorragh but they just seemed to have kept doing the all the murderrape cults.
With a point being that Commorragh was an important webway node before the fall happened and that it has been around since M18.
Another thing that, even before the fall, Commorragh seems to have been the place where you go to do unethical shit.
Overall, Vect didn't do much apart from get the city under his control, the culture was in place a long time before he showed up. And he is unlikely to be relevant for us because he didn't even get control of the city until M35.
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Oh; many of them were certainly a bunch of bastards. The thing is that they didn't have much motivation to inflict themselves on the wider galaxy rather than get on with whatever deviant hobbies they were attracted to.
Remember, Pre-Fall Eldar considered themselves vastly superior to non-Eldar in all senses. What's the point of going out and torturing something you barely even consider to be real in the first place. You have to care about something to some degree to go out of your way to track them down and hurt themselves. Otherwise; why would you bother? It's a lot of work for very little, and we know the Pre-Fall Eldar were generally not very enamoured of work.
It's not that the Webway Eldar would think raiding, murdering and torturing in real space was wrong, it's that I think many would find it passé or beneath them, or just too much of a hassle, or make the realistic calculation that when you're out raiding real space the bastard who lives next door might think it's funny to burn down your house, steal your stuff, rape your children, and poach your best chef while you're not there to protect them.
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They might be receptive to us if we have a workable solution when they start feeling the thirst even in the webway.
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How to say it ...
For all the claims that we can work with them, there is this big giant point about them not wanting to change their behavior.
Said behavior pretty much lead to the fall and they still have murderrape cults pretty much running the place.
They just were a bit more protected than most Eldar from the consequences of their actions.
And you can bet that our (and all the other craftworlds) have quite a lot of trauma regarding said murderrape cults.
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That reminds me: whoever suggested that Vulkhari methodology of "all armour all the time" is a trauma response, I'm suddenly reminded of Iron Man 3. What does the tinker do when faced with danger beyond anything they suspected to be possible? They do their darnest to tinker out a solution/protection. Make an impenetrable shell between thrmselves and the world.
And yes, I've just implied we're on our way to be the Tony Stark of Aeldari.
And yes, I've just implied we're on our way to be the Tony Stark of Aeldari.
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Our policy for other races is mostly either watchfulness or just not caring, but with Purge the Stars I can see us deigning to share anti-Ork tips with neighbouring polities. We'd aim for killing the latter either way, but if other factions can handle lesser groups of Orks before they rise to the loevel that need our attention so much the better.
We might end up with a similar policy for Chaos, but that's a lot more of a societal threat.
We might end up with a similar policy for Chaos, but that's a lot more of a societal threat.
Am I going blind, or is Biel Tan not actually on that map? I can see Ulthwe, Alaitoc, Iyanden, Saim Hann and a bunch of smaller ones, but not them.
The canon Craftworlders have just as much reason to hate the Dark Eldar yet work with them militarily on occasion, there's cultural crossover with Craftworlders who can't manage the Paths becoming Dark Eldar and vice versa, and there are apparently many smaller realms in the Webway where you can find all flavours of Eldar (except Chaos) trading with each other for the goods and services only the others can supply.
And there are also the Harlequins, one of whose self-appointed jobs is to mediate this relationship and act as intermediaries when required. We don't even have to so are our process with them directly, the Harlequins would probably be the ones who did the bulk of the actual sharing of the knowledge to the various Webway realms.
Also, while many of the Webway Eldar are particularly odious, others lived in the Webway because they were trans-eldarists who the more conservative Eldar who lived in real space disapproved of. Even the murder-rape cults of the now Crone Worlds apparently believed in the sanctity of the Eldar form, both physical and spiritual. In Pre-Fall terms, what we're trying to do with our souls is what many of the Webway Eldar were exiled from real space for messing around with. In this pre-pain/soul eating era we may have natural allies amongst those trans-eldarists, as without the drive to cruelty that needing to eat suffering encourages they're probably much more interested in their attempts to transcend the limitations of Eldar nature than petty cruelty or such distractions.
And the people currently dominant in the Webway cities in this pre-Vect era seem not to be the Wych Cults or the more gruesome Haemunculi Covens or similar. It's the decadent pre-Fall nobility who sponsored those cults for their amusement, in competition with the Solar Cults, who are just bizarre in their own way, but not in ways Craftworld Eldar would probably care about.
And we may want share our soul modification process even with unpleasant examples of Webway Eldar mobility because even if we hate them they're probably less of a hassle if they have no driving reason why they have to enter real space rather than stay in the Webway and play their own petty games with each other, and because strengthening them against their even worse peers produces a lesser evil.
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In 40k yes.
We are still fresh after the fall, this didn't have the better part of 10 000 years to settle, with the death jester god in the background doing his best to keep things going.
A good example for this is that we are at war with Biel-Tan, and they are arguably closer to us from an ideological/cultural standpoint than the ones being proto dark Eldar.
So I would be careful about making statement drawing from canon 40k about having anything but hostile/hateful relationship, more so when the (proto) dark Eldar are more than happy to murder each other the moment you look away.