Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)
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How is YR agreeing to help Sun finding us 'escalating'? Not only do we not know if Sun would have crippled us if she had caught us (pretty sure she wouldn't have crippled us) but that's like saying Fu Xiang telling us where Yan Renshu hides means Sun Liling should now consider he has escalated against him enough to be worth killing.
I am not seeing any escalation from what he did, if anything we escalated on him harder than he did on CRX when we stole all the things.
Helping someone out that he knows will cripple Ling Qi is not escalating? True we do not know how far Sun would have gone, but considering her it would have been "as far as she could get away with" which... is pretty much anything short of death.
Ok really? People need to stop rewriting history to blame that on Renshu. Sun Liling decided to go after us. Renshu was just sufficiently annoyed with us that he helped her for free.
And you think they'd have done anything if the Elders hadn't been dragged in there by whatever Sun's spirit did?
We were restricted to taking the traditional token of victory because that is what in theory honorable cultivators should be doing. While this is not always the case, when the Elder's are standing right there they can't let anyone just go overboard because they'd be party to it and it would reflect badly on them.
Moreover, not letting Cai imprison all her rivals makes sense. The sect doesn't actually want any one side to crush the other. They want us to strive against each other and have the conflict push us to new heights.
That was just the elders keeping things within the appropriate bounds of propriety, and keeping the sect running smoothly. If Sun had won with her last gambit, I have no doubt that she would have been just as restricted in what she could take from us.
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Meta-wise, we know that she wouldn't have crippled us considering this interrupt was meant to have us lose unless we we really lucky, and it wasn't supposed to be a Bad End, just a pain.
Story wise, Sun Liling explicitly mentioned our robe as the reason we were so dangerous, as well as took it easy on us at first. I really doubt she meant to do more than hurt us really bad and take our gear. Our flute is too precious to be taken, but that's already less than we did to YR.
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Bullshit. Sun Liling's flaws are that she can't bring herself to lose, is a strong rules the weak battle junkie and that she doesn't give a fig about the social 'face' of the setting except when it suits her. She does not go around crippling people, not least because she could get another good fight out of them.
She told us what she was going to do. She was going to put us in hospital for several weeks and nick/destroy our nice dress (and possibly whatever else we had on us).
Bad for us? yes. Actual crippling/maiming? Heck no.
Besides, its not like we hadn't taken everything someone had on them for much less than what we had done to Liling at that point.
While you do have some points, I want to remind you that Renshu sent his puppets to blame us for banditry first.
Had we not intercepted them and had enough reputation already, this could have completely destroyed our social.
So the first strike was his, before we did anything to him, and it was quite a horrible one.
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Sometimes when you piss in a bush a bear is gonna gonna be there to take offense
Sure, its a freak accident, but you really shouldn't have been peeing on public property in the first place
You just finally played the odds of pissing in the wrong place, at the wrong time, and now you're gonna get mauled in the face for it. Is it escalating? Sure is. But then again, Yan Renshu started that fight, and probably used that same bag of tricks on a lot of other people besides Ling Qi.
Is Bai wrecking him justice?
Nope.
What it is, is the inevitable catching up to him.
Might as well put Qi in a position to profit from the affair, I say.
Sure, its a freak accident, but you really shouldn't have been peeing on public property in the first place
You just finally played the odds of pissing in the wrong place, at the wrong time, and now you're gonna get mauled in the face for it. Is it escalating? Sure is. But then again, Yan Renshu started that fight, and probably used that same bag of tricks on a lot of other people besides Ling Qi.
Is Bai wrecking him justice?
Nope.
What it is, is the inevitable catching up to him.
Might as well put Qi in a position to profit from the affair, I say.
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There has been no hints that it was Yan Renshu doing that beside 'it was a puppet'. I highly doubt YR is the only puppet user, and considering Bloody Moon Quest probably wasn't the same as Grinning Moon, I suspect it was someone else.
@Reader of all and @Alitur you have a typo in your vote.
I doubt it, given that a similar plot could be responsible for Ji Rong ending up with Sun, as well as Yan's faction profiteering from discrediting us.
I suspect he wanted to destroy our reputation and then make us "an offer we couldn't refuse" with one of his contracts, us being a talented newbie commoner with recently shattered reputation.
We do not have conclusive proof, but it fits too well.
Follow the money.
Besides I am not at all surprised that he appeared in two moon quests - bloody moon just wanted him punished far more severely, while the thieving moon just wanted him robbed blind for his transgressions.
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Oh wow, really? Are you saying currently YR is nothing but a cornered enemy with a grudge toward us? And i agree, there's no need to escalate further. Because we can't. Because we have somehow, someway, destroyed YR faction and ruin his face in the sect. Because he have nothing left. So, we just need to sit back and wait until YR rear his ugly head for revenge, it's not like a 3rd realm cultivator who specialised in formation with NOTHING TO LOSE could do anything against us.
You know what that is? It's called hubris.
And this is why Meizhen hound YR, since unlike Qi she knows that a cornered enemy is the most dangerous kind of enemy. We're not escalating, we're delivering the killing blow to YR and hopefully allow us not to worry about him in the future.
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Alrighty, lets get him to "late"!
Yeah... getting a second spirit seems like a baaad idea...
Huum. How ... convingnant.
Well, overall he's pretty awesome, specially for a early yellow. Also the stealth training was so worth it!
But he definitively needs a Qi reducing Talisman (or two!).
I think we should commission one for him in next week's plan, good thing we have a high quality rank 3 Wood core
[X] Go along with Meizhen, you don't much care what happens to Yan Renshu, but you would rather she have backup. He's tricky.
[X] Go along with Meizhen, you should probably convince her not to go overboard, and she could use backup besides
I'm going to go with this as there is a reason the Bai tend to be disliked by the Empire, and it's not for petty reasons. We've seen how they treat themselves, and why Meizhen herself doesn't want us involved with the clan. Her punishment is likely to be exceptional even among other nobles, worse though is that Yan Renshu has the unfortunate status of being a commoner and we've already seen other nobles take much more leeway with damaging them than other nobles where there can be retaliation or political consequences. I don't really want to see what a Bai feels is appropriate.
I'm going to go with this as there is a reason the Bai tend to be disliked by the Empire, and it's not for petty reasons. We've seen how they treat themselves, and why Meizhen herself doesn't want us involved with the clan. Her punishment is likely to be exceptional even among other nobles, worse though is that Yan Renshu has the unfortunate status of being a commoner and we've already seen other nobles take much more leeway with damaging them than other nobles where there can be retaliation or political consequences. I don't really want to see what a Bai feels is appropriate.
While Yan Renshu possibly struck first, he failed and Ling Qi was the one who destroyed his reputation. Everything that Yan Renshu attempted to do to Ling Qi has foiled and returned back to him, she literally struck an eye for an eye.
Yan Renshu totally has more stuff to lose: his life, his cultivation, his chance at the tournament. Crippling a dude because he has opposed you in, what amounts to, a practice arena* is quickly sliding into the standard and reviled Xianxia protagonist morals.
I mean, it's not hubris to not want to be a vengeful asshole, Bai Meizhen is already willing to go and stop Yan Renshu from being a threat to Ling Qi by destroying his bases and looting his stuff. Excess cruelty for the sake of making a point is kinda terrible?
* Remember that there is life after the end of the year and the sect is not the end all be all.
It would certainly be a bad decision before we hit green. However looking at the cultivation bonuses and how strong an early yellow beast can be I think it would be a mistake to discount a second spirit beast that helps cultivate the majority of our arts. So long as we have an amiable deal another 10 or so qi could easily be worth having more multiple attacker bonus, more characters firing their own arts and profiting from our buffs, and more dice on every wind and/Or darkness art that we use. Especially if we gain 10 qi or so from hitting green.
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[x] Go along with Meizhen, you don't much care what happens to Yan Renshu, but you would rather she have backup. He's tricky.
This chapter was well worth the wait! So glad we picked that Xiulan minor, Ling Qi and Xiulan both needed some time to relax and centre themselves and Xiulan needed to vent. Zhengui is best turtle, as always and damn, nice bonuses, stats and general awesomeness! TRF is also awesome, Wood ftw!
Meizhen though. Kinda confirmation that Ling Qi is a little stressed from all the CRX minors. She's growing on her but time spent together isn't exactly relaxing, especially when time spent together is at the cost of other friendships (Xiulan). Definitely feel the need to back her up though. Interesting insight into her thoughts in terms of pride and prey and while I like the wolf idea, this hunt is both more relevant and more important, IMO.
This chapter was well worth the wait! So glad we picked that Xiulan minor, Ling Qi and Xiulan both needed some time to relax and centre themselves and Xiulan needed to vent. Zhengui is best turtle, as always and damn, nice bonuses, stats and general awesomeness! TRF is also awesome, Wood ftw!
Meizhen though. Kinda confirmation that Ling Qi is a little stressed from all the CRX minors. She's growing on her but time spent together isn't exactly relaxing, especially when time spent together is at the cost of other friendships (Xiulan). Definitely feel the need to back her up though. Interesting insight into her thoughts in terms of pride and prey and while I like the wolf idea, this hunt is both more relevant and more important, IMO.
Far from it, from an outside perspective its no different from us running to Cai or Meizhen.
Hell, for stripping people...reminder that we did that first.
You really don't want to actually open up maiming as a socially acceptable answer to you, that limits the support you can receive.
YR is down bad enough that I believe crippling him can be done by taking his last furnace. He can't use the communal ones, he has more difficulty doing sect missions than we do, and all his puppets chew through stones like crazy to operate and make.
He has no family to send care packages. Rob him again and barring Sun sponsorship(when she's low on resources herself) he's not going to be back.
So a mechanics question for some of you; does this mean we get a bonus of +4 dice to FVM as +2 dice from power and +2 dice from expression are both applicable? Or is it just +2 bonus?
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Excellent question!
Only one mastery is applicable at a time to a skill, and FVM uses expression as it's mastery, not power. Since this is the case, only the expression bonus is applicable.
[X] Go along with Meizhen, you should probably convince her not to go overboard, and she could use backup besides
Anyone complaining about YR being the one to escalate things are just being willfully ignorant. Looking at all the shit we stole and the damage we caused to his rep and faction Sun probably could have knocked us out for a month and that still wouldn't be anywhere close to the damage we caused him.
Anyone complaining about YR being the one to escalate things are just being willfully ignorant. Looking at all the shit we stole and the damage we caused to his rep and faction Sun probably could have knocked us out for a month and that still wouldn't be anywhere close to the damage we caused him.