Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

[X] Go along with Meizhen, you should probably convince her not to go overboard, and she could use backup besides

I'd rather Ling Qi not be so cavalier about crippling enemies that inconvenienced her. While the Bai are known for being ruthless assholes part of Ling Qi interaction with her friends is to make them consider their actions in new light (see Xiulan this week).

Yan Renshu hasn't actually tried to cripple Ling Qi before (remember that Sun only wanted to beat Ling Qi down and take her dress) escalating further just opens the door for others to reply in kind, and unlike Meizhen, Ling Qi doesn't have the power to just openly flaunt the unspoken rules and get away with it (nor do I think she should default to escalation so quickly).
 
[X] Go along with Meizhen, you should probably convince her not to go overboard, and she could use backup besides

Look, I don't care how Meizhen resolves her own grudges. That's her business and the consequences fall on her. This is some kind of weird vicarious grudge resolution though, which makes it our business. Aside from how weird her yandere behaviour is in general, I think it's best if we take things reasonable and just beat the shit out of him and take all his stuff.

He's probably got some nice medicine and Darkness talismans.
 
This is not about YR deserving consideration. This is about Ling Qi herself. Does she wants to utterly ruin every rivals and enact final vengeance when they try to strike back?

I'd say not, consider YR just cannot truly threaten us the more time pass. He is already a secondary threat, and in a month won't be a threat at all. Meizhen is also not doing it because he is dangerous to us, but rather because of 'good habits of utterly ruining enemies'. Also because she was brainwashed into being very, very harsh when she was young.
Well, I think it is about what YR deserves, so yeah, no, I disagree with the premise.
 
[X] Go along with Meizhen, you don't much care what happens to Yan Renshu, but you would rather she have backup. He's tricky.
 
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[X] Go along with Meizhen, you don't much care what happens to Yan Renshu, but you wouldrather she have backup. He's tricky.

We need a stetson for Ling and a saddle for Zhengui.
 
[X] Go along with Meizhen, you should probably convince her not to go overboard, and she could use backup besides

We can also interrogate him about that puppet that was set up to frame us and confirm if it was him.
 
I'd just like to point out that without Ling Qi doing anything Meizhen appears to be planning to permanently cripple YR, and that is absolutely against sect rules. This is bad as a plausible outcome is Meizhen being banished to the bottom of the mountain for a period of time, and this would allow Sun to operate unhindered by Meizhen.

So let's have Ling Qi be the good marshal, and drag YR before the court of Judge!Cai instead of giving Sun an opening on the same week Ling Qi will trying to breakthrough.
 
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[X] Go along with Meizhen, you should probably convince her not to go overboard, and she could use backup besides
Adhoc vote count started by Codex on Dec 30, 2017 at 6:47 AM, finished with 44659 posts and 170 votes.
 
I'd just like to point out that without Ling Qi doing anything Meizhen appears to be planning to permanently cripple YR, and that is absolutely against sect rules. This is bad as a plausible outcome is Meizhen being banished to the bottom of the mountain for a period of time, and this would allow Sun to operate unhindered by Meizhen.

So let's have Ling Qi be the good marshal, and drag YR before the court of Judge!Cai instead of giving Sun an opening on the same week Ling Qi will trying to breakthrough.
The girl that gouged out suyin's eye did it in the middle of the dorms and faced no real consequences for it. Doing permanent crippling damage is not a dealbreaker even within core outer territories that are most heavily monitored. Reshu meanwhile is hiding far from the beaten path. I think Bai can get away with plenty of permanent damage to reshu with no actual consequences, and I also think it would be worthwhile for Ling Qi to see that.
 
[X] Go along with Meizhen, you should probably convince her not to go overboard, and she could use backup besides
 
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[X] Go along with Meizhen, you don't much care what happens to Yan Renshu, but you would rather she have backup. He's tricky.
 
The girl that gouged out suyin's eye did it in the middle of the dorms and faced no real consequences for it. Doing permanent crippling damage is not a dealbreaker even within core outer territories that are most heavily monitored. Reshu meanwhile is hiding far from the beaten path. I think Bai can get away with plenty of permanent damage to reshu with no actual consequences, and I also think it would be worthwhile for Ling Qi to see that.
As shown by the fact that Suyin's eye was recovering after her breakthrough that wasn't a permanent injury whereas by the sound of things Meizhen appears to be planning to cripple YR in a very permanent manner.

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Let me put it this way suyin was able to continue cultivation after her injury Meizhen won't be within a ballpark of that much care for YR.
 
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The girl that gouged out suyin's eye did it in the middle of the dorms and faced no real consequences for it. Doing permanent crippling damage is not a dealbreaker even within core outer territories that are most heavily monitored. Reshu meanwhile is hiding far from the beaten path. I think Bai can get away with plenty of permanent damage to reshu with no actual consequences, and I also think it would be worthwhile for Ling Qi to see that.
That's not what the sect and cultivators consider permanent crippling though. Her ability to cultivate wasn't impared by that at all and that is what the sect and cultivators consider a permanent crippling injury.
 
[X] Go along with Meizhen, you should probably convince her not to go overboard, and shevcould use backup besides

Do keep in mind that Sun Liling has a lot of pull within the sect and as such could likely make the elders enforce the rules in a situation that they otherwise would not.
 
What? Since when? It isn't even her province.
Like how she was protected from the worst that Cai Renxiang could do to her and instead was just banished to the mountains rather than have all her loot taken or have her followers severely damaged. Now this is an interesting case because Meizhen if not stopped will permanently cripple a promising member of the production track and though he is not well liked his talents are undeniable I can see the rules being enforced in this case.
 
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[X] Go along with Meizhen, you should probably convince her not to go overboard, and she could use backup besides
Adhoc vote count started by Rhydarson on Dec 29, 2017 at 4:56 AM, finished with 44161 posts and 73 votes.
 
[X] Go along with Meizhen, you should probably convince her not to go overboard, and shevcould use backup besides

Do keep in mind that Sun Liling has a lot of pull within the sect and as such could likely make the elders enforce the rules in a situation that they otherwise would not.
Considering Meizhen would be breaking one of three explicit rules given by the sect for Thunderdome they'd have to punish her to avoid the appearance of bias, and her pride makes it improbable she'll deny any accusations. This is an issue as she lacks the "There wasn't any rules on invasive plants!" excuse, and status of royalty that allowed Sun to get off with a light punishment of spending a month at the base of the mountain.
 
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Yeah, gonna say no to that. We invested a lot of action for our social, and this guy just casually try to ruin it by making that doll thing. It's either we nip this in the bud or it bite us in the ass when we least expect it. The fact that we can do that while bonding with bestsnek is also a plus.

Yeah, I mean it's not like Yan Renshu reputation is in ruins and he is known as someone who forced people to serve him due to Ling Qi actions or something. So far Ling Qi response was measured, Yan attempted to destroy her reputation and she responded in kind, Yan Renshu sent Sun Liling at Ling Qi and now Meizhen is hunting him.

There is no real need to escalate here and it kinda fucks up both Meizhen and Ling Qi if they do. Remember that afterwards Ling Qi will be seen as someone who is willing to escalate to crippling an enemy if s/he has inconvenienced her enough (also habit forming).
 
[X] Go along with Meizhen, you should probably convince her not to go overboard, and she could use backup besides

Let's not escalate too much.
 
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There is no real need to escalate here and it kinda fucks up both Meizhen and Ling Qi if they do. Remember that afterwards Ling Qi will be seen as someone who is willing to escalate to crippling an enemy if s/he has inconvenienced her enough (also habit forming).
Not really? No one in the CRX faction will care, if it even gets out that it happened, YR has through actions and propaganda become a hated figure in the sect so no support from that front. Considering what YR has done people are probably expecting this outcome.

Really the escalation train sailed when YR threw Sun at Ling Qi.
 
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[X] Go along with Meizhen, you should probably convince her not to go overboard, and she could use backup besides

I am very, very uncomfortable with the number of people who are totally fine with ignoring Ling Qi's discomfort at what Meizhen might do and the fact that we know she (and the Bai generally) are known to go totally overboard.

Quite apart from the known problems of adopting a scorched earth policy to enemies (like having someone with nothing left to lose who is probably stronger than us coming at us with his bound 'contractees', alienating potential allies etc) there is also the issue that friends don't let friends mutilate people at 14. Yan Renshu is certainly a bag of dicks, but other people, like the people he enslaved, have far far more reason to be pissed at him than we are.

Ultimately we started the fight with him by stealing from him at the behest of the moon. I'm glad we did and I have no remorse over doing it and freeing those people, but we started the fight and his retaliation, whilst inconvinent and extremely painful (with the chance to be even more so) did not involve actual crippling. Ling Qi is rightly very wary at the attitude of 'its ok to cripple someone because your connected enough to get away with it and they aren't connected enough to do anything about it' both because 'there but for the grace of god go I'* and because she's had personal experience with the kind of awful things that sort of attitude leads to, in the crippling of Suyin.

The fact we'd be doing it to a 'bad guy' does not actually make it ok to barge into someone's house and mutilate them, even if they've been horrible. Hell that sort of toxic atmosphere, where one 'mistake' as a commoner trying to claw your way up and you're really, really screwed is probably a contributing factor in why things like those contracts can seem attractive. Because when a moderately connected noble can screw you over on a whim and mutilate you with the excuse of 'they were fighting back' despite being buried on the floor underneath 4 people and being as threatening as a mouse on helium social taboos start to look pretty insignificant.

And again. Ling Qi resolved to start being a good friend. And good friends don't let their friends mutilate someone at 14 when there are other, better alternatives, like dragging him to Cai and getting turtle boy to keep him essentially permenatnly imprisoned. If he doen't have to political power to make an issue of him being maimed he won't have the friends to get him out of being turned into a statue indefinetely.

*Yes Yan Renshu is a worse person than Ling Qi. But Ling Qi is a commoner with 'dishonourable' thief habits and very very very tasty loot who was lucky enough to get enough political clout that beating her up in a massive group and crippling her isn't a viable option anymore.
 
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