- Location
- Malaysia
Yeah I'm not enthusiastic about the dragon vote either. We should be rushing to breakthrough now and the dragon is a long-term project. But all of the plans have it so it's pointless to struggle against the tide.
Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)
- Thread starter yrsillar
- Start date
- Original Fantasy
- Location
- Philippines
Ha well shit I guess I will be abstaining for now because I see no reason why we should waste a major action on the dragon when there are other things we can do. There really should be an option to exchange a main for two minors or something like that.
- Location
- Cyberspace
I would prefer to have the first breakthrough action instead of dragon - or cultivate AE or AS. If it's a success, then Ling Qi has a lot more predictability in her breakthrough (needing only two more). If it's a failure, she can restore to peak without it causing a lot of inconvenience.
- Location
- Philippines
How about we go to the archive and research a new cultivation technique? One that synergises with epc.
- Location
- Cyberspace
- Location
- The United States
- Pronouns
- He/They
Personally, I really want the Han Jian action to open up AS more, because I think we're really close to a top tier kiting archery strat with just a little more GOTTA GO FAST.
- Location
- Cyberspace
Plus, it's social interaction that gives Ling Qi more setting info as well. What's not to like?
- Location
- UK
- Pronouns
- They/Them
We ca only train one cultivation art/have one equipped, at a time so that's of limited value.
Sure, but unless we think we're getting another level before breakthrough I don't see the value in picking it over the Dragon option. Meridian maybe.Alternatively - AE, AS or another meridian couldn't hurt
Yeah, but we've got sorta an awkward week where we have fewer things to finish before breakthrough than actions. So a suboptimal action or two is inevitable.
- Location
- Third planet from the star named Sol
- Pronouns
- He/They
Oh hey, I was just looking outside my window, and with where I am the moon is orange and the outside curve is pointed towards the Earth. It's an outright Grinning Moon guys. Tonight we are favored indeed!
Arkeus
Crazy cat guy
- Location
- France
If you want Gotta go fast, argue to switch out AS for a real movement art for kitting, and not a melee/counter/defensive/movement art.
- Location
- scrabbling
in a totally unbiased mention, doomed resistance does not have the dragon
- Location
- United States of America
Well... we already have a really good kiting kit going on right now. At the moment, if a person has 1 less speed then us, then they can not catch up to us without using high-quality movements arts, and even then it would be tricky. Disruptive star halves the opponents speed and fleeting strike can push them back another 60m. Both of which we can hit fairly reliably against opponents (that aren't the monsters).
So yeah, catching up to us is nearly impossible at the moment for any one below the rank of monster.
So yeah, catching up to us is nearly impossible at the moment for any one below the rank of monster.
Well, that's running away.
I assume that, realistically, we can't backpeddle and can't just instantly fire an arrow at someone. You need a certain amount of space/time to actually turn around and take a shot at someone, so you need a reasonably significant speed advantage to actually kite.
If you compare successes of mid-yellow arts, of course the art that starts at mid yellow requires less successes. That should be obvious.
Are we looking at the same arts, here?
FZ2 gives us Encircling Winds and On the Wind. The first of these massively increases our many-vs-one capabilities, and the latter significantly increases our ability to flee as a group.
In contrast, AE2 lets us summon worms for a quarter of our pool, which I expect us to literally never use at this level because they are too expensive.
How? I mean, we can certainly do it if we spend a Green Stone on cultivating... but that is 500RSS we are talking! I expect we are not going to want to go for that often.
Debuffs make more sense earlier in a fight. Generally, our fights don't tend to last that long, so it doesn't make sense to stack debuffs indefinitely; at some point is is smarter to start actually using the debuffs to deal damage.
Also, Breath interrupts FVM.
Also, as you noticed, Breath requires that we pay for not hurting allies a second time.
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- The United States
- Pronouns
- He/They
I actually think Argent Storm is good for kiting.
On top of Speed it gives phys def to help avoid pinning or slowing effects ala Disruptive Star.
I'm not crazy about the counterattack stuff, but even that is really useful against a mixed force to beat back interceptors or minions that can catch us.
But furthermore, I think that finding the perfect art for each slot in our build is something we mostly need to wait for the next quest for.
Before the tournament, a mostly correct art that we have three or four actions into is going to better than a best in slot art that we have no actions in. Obviously this will fall off in green due to increasing thresholds, but I don't think "our second movement art besides SCS" is going to get many cultivation actions anyway
Edit:back pedaled some hyperbolic claims
- Location
- Cyberspace
To be honest, another level of AE before breakthrough is possible, from my estimation. It's only 88 successes. Two weeks' worth of EPC bonus and a major action would do it. If the two-week breakthrough idea is taken (preserving social actions, decreased chance of her attempting breakthrough being realized by vengeful divinatory asshole, etc) and it's started week 37, then that works out just fine.
Argent Storm... actually, if it follows as per Argent Current, it'd be 50 successes (60 - 10; AS is a Wind art) to hit level 3. That's doable with an action, particularly if a week (or even two) of vent bonus is applied as well. Argent Current is being trained with an action in most plans, so it'll hit level 3 (and level 4 is beyond what's reachable pre-breakthrough) even without the bonuses from the vent.
So something like:
- Thousand Ring Fortress
- Argent Current
- Abyssal Exhalation (+ EPC bonus)
- Argent Storm (+ vent bonus)
Would ding TRF, AC, put AE within one week's EPC bonus and either ding AS or put it within a week's vent bonus. Then week 37 (breakthrough start?) does enough stealth for EPC bonus and there you go. AE 3, AC 3, AS 3, TRF 4. Not quite soft-capping them all (well, maybe TRF or AE), but pretty close to it. Would want another Leg and another Lung meridian if all are to be equipped simultaneously.
I seem to recall that techniques that apply to oneself also apply to one's spirits. That would make the counterattack and other melee-related techniques rather helpful to have...
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- The United States
- Pronouns
- He/They
Speaking of that, do we have WoG on what Zhengui's action economy looks like?
Because if he's two dudes...
That was in the context of not needing to protect them from things like FVM. I doubt that self-buffs are automatically cloned to them. Indeed, we don't want that because that devalues support arts, and strengthens our enemies which use more pure self enhancement.
- Location
- United States of America
Zhengui is actually one entity not two. Just. ..uhhh multiple personalities?
Kai Merah
Hound Hearted Hedonist
- Location
- Somewhere in the corners of my imagination
Hey, just checking, but are we scheduled to get AS 3 and AC 3 before breakthrough? I'm kind of hoping that levelling 3 Argent Arts to at least level 3 will unlock the fourth or something. It just seems weird that after all these weeks, we still have no action to hunt it down. So maybe it's something that naturally results from learning our current Argent Arts?
- Location
- Malaysia
Did we have a discussion about what closed-door cultivation actually is yet? As far as I can tell it's simply devoting all major actions to breakthrough attempts and cultivation, therefore sacrificing the attached minor actions. But you also sacrifice the friend bonuses. That seems bad in every way and yet everyone other than Ling Qi seems to do it at some point. Maybe there ought to be some special bonuses for it, to explain why the other characters do it and it is a staple in the genre. In fact, in xianxia hardly anyone ever trains with friends.
Keep in mind that breakthrough is special. Normally closed-door cultivation is, mechanically, just sacrificing 2 minors for 1 major. The issue here with breakthrough week is that, since breakthroughs are a solo activity, we're already sacrificing our attached minors as well.
Part of the issue is also that yrsillar has arguably been too liberal with friend bonuses. One can make the case - and we have - that we should mostly get those for things like combat arts only, where being able to practice with friends is really helpful.