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Oh, likewise, I'm a bit annoyed that because the first plans to be suggested were pretty quickly picked up, all other plans are inherently at a disadvantage. We've got, at the moment, two major plans which differ only in short-term...terms, rather than in long-term focus. Even if a plan used one of the leaders as a base for majors in order to get minors more palatable to the planmaker, aligned to a different 'at least give the other guy a shot' goal, the new plan starts out 20 or more votes down. : |

(And, yeah, sure, maybe I am this up in arms and salty about it only/partly because they're both Non-GF-minor-dedicatory plans. Sue me for having an opinion and at least wanting to give poor Gu Tai a shot.)

Though that's just a function of forum voting, much like other stinks that I've raised (Su Ling at Windblown Fields when the walls fell or whatever).
 
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@Erebeal we currently have resolve 5, but yes.

I am getting the impression that ji rong s dice were calced on ling qi's, and it is ouch.
 
tricholysis said:
At this point Ling Qi is multiple actions down Cai's social link, so to say, and hasn't even started Gu Tai's. And yet people are content to say that they prefer Cai. Well of course, she's the only candidate that actually got coverage!

I'm not going to say that one action in, Gu Tai will instantly charm 50% of the voterbase and we'll suddenly have a neck and neck race. And I'm not gonna keep count of actions dedicated to one side or whatever and try to be a media watchdog on minors or anything, because that's ridiculous. But I'd at least like if more people trusted Yrsillar to give Ling Qi an interesting choice as long as she cares enough to find out and not just reject it out of hand because it comes attached to a marriage or whatever.
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Look, go back and read the discussion back when we met him. Even most of us who liked the idea and thought that that would be a really fun route were basically saying "this could be really cool, but it doesn't really compete with the Cai offer, and with Ling Qi's hangups we can't justify refusing Cai to explore this possibility".

Basically, Cai has forced our hand by getting in first.
 
Erebeal said:
Look, go back and read the discussion back when we met him. Even most of us who liked the idea and thought that that would be a really fun route were basically saying "this could be really cool, but it doesn't really compete with the Cai offer, and with Ling Qi's hangups we can't justify refusing Cai to explore this possibility".

Basically, Cai has forced our hand by getting in first.
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Huh.... no one was saying thag? It does compete with her offer, and it has less hang upd.

However, it is filthy new moon choice.
 
Okay help me hash this out because now I've worked myself into a lather and even if my proposed plan dies with only my own vote I need to make it now

starting from here:

tricholysis said:
Now then...

Protoplan tricholysis

1. TRF w/ GF
2. Stealth action
-a. Fu Xiang Favor (3)
3. Meridian
-a. Spine for TRF4? or did we do that this passing week
4. Job?
-a. Wolves (w/ who?)
5. lol I dunno I've lost track of the broader cultivation plan we had
-a. maybe an exploratory poke at breakthrough
-b. or the dragon action

[] Your feelings regarding Gu Tai are... conflicted, maybe you should speak with him a bit. You know where he is staying.
[] Speak with Han Jian, about Argent Storm and the Golden Fields. What is his home like?
[] Zhengui's pyre had begun to dim, shrinking no matter how much fuel you add. You should be there when he emerges
[] Work on formations with Li Suyin, with the Vault Warriors mastered, you can delve more deeply into the Pale Manual OR box if added
[] You never did get to go out have a night on the proverbial town with Xiulan, see if she's still up for that

there is a very obvious GF-tilt to this plan. I think if Cai camp can demand a Cai action a week for a while then one week heavily loaded towards my preferred option isn't too much to ask :V
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This isn't workable. It's too different from the entrenched plans/minors and people have already gotten attached enough to start arguing.

Xiulan/HJ/Pyre/MaSuMa/Puzzle is probably the 'salable' version.

Xiulan/GT/Pyre/MaSuMa/Puzzle is in between the salable version and what I'd prefer.

Hm.

Erebeal said:
Look, go back and read the discussion back when we met him. Even most of us who liked the idea and thought that that would be a really fun route were basically saying "this could be really cool, but it doesn't really compete with the Cai offer, and with Ling Qi's hangups we can't justify refusing Cai to explore this possibility".

Basically, Cai has forced our hand by getting in first.
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that's the exact attitude I'm complaining about though

'only cai allowed' is not only contradictory to Ling Qi's own need to know but also denies the readers more than a cursory impression of not only Tai as a character but also the whole GF offer, including ways that yrsillar intends GF to be competitive with Cai.
Klaus said:
I don't want Ling Qi to get married so I don't want to talk to Gu Tai, that's all.
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yeah that's fine, you have your opinion I have mine

but Ling Qi WILL marry someday, that's just how cultivator society works. even Shenhua married. for all that she shuttled the dude away before resuming Dastardly Duchess Plans TM, she's married. Ling Qi can't run away from her intimacy concerns forever
 
I need to poke again for EPC successes, because this seems like a stealth 'never AE' in the plans.

We have 210 dice to get 102 successes. Peak phys is very safe. Please put EPC succcesses to AE, we can t afford to throw away an action.
 
Klaus said:
We're going to die eventually too. Doesn't mean I'm in any hurry.
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unfortunately for the sanctity of the comparison, marriage/overcoming mental issues requires approach and effort. death is an event outside your control. mental health needs cultivation (of the unmagical kind) and nurture, while death is a cessation. nor is mortality the same as death—coming to terms with mortality is more like marriage than mortality is like death, for all that mortality requires one of those.
 
Arkeus said:
We have 210 dice to get 102 successes. Peak phys is very safe. Please put EPC succcesses to AE, we can t afford to throw away an action.
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Huh? We have 88 dice for physical, and get ~50 successes. Which is about what we need for peak physical. With overflow from meridian and TRF it should, hopefully, be fine, but it is a little on the edge.
 
Erebeal said:
Huh? We have 88 dice for physical, and get ~50 successes. Which is about what we need for peak physical. With overflow from meridian and TRF it should, hopefully, be fine, but it is a little on the edge.
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It's a typo. Yrs forgot to add in the highsun successes from Week 35 part 1.

We should have had 123/180 successes before this part, and then we add the 6 overflow from the falling star art and we have 129/180.

That leaves us with 51 dice left to go, which is before overflow from TRF, heart meridian, and the next meridian we do.
 
Erebeal said:
Huh? We have 88 dice for physical, and get ~50 successes. Which is about what we need for peak physical. With overflow from meridian and TRF it should, hopefully, be fine, but it is a little on the edge.
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Before heart overflow, we need 51 successes for physical, 29 for arm meridian, and 26 for TRF. So, 106-4=102 successes needed, after our autos.

We have 88 dice for physical, 60 for arm meridian, and 62 for TRF. So, 210.

Given all overflow to physical, we need 102 successes with 210 dice. Very safe.
 
tricholysis said:
that's the exact attitude I'm complaining about though

'only cai allowed' is not only contradictory to Ling Qi's own need to know but also denies the readers more than a cursory impression of not only Tai as a character but also the whole GF offer, including ways that yrsillar intends GF to be competitive with Cai.
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Honestly? His problem is that he's here at the wrong time. If we weren't having to decide about Cai for a few more months, or if he'd arrived earlier and we'd had a couple of months to get to know him and fall in love with the idea of living in Golden Fields, that would be fine. But as it is, he's here a couple of weeks before we're almost ready to make our decision on Cai, and are in the middle of getting our breakthrough sorted. He can't do anything to change our mind right now.

Refusing Cai because we'd decided to go with Tai is one thing, and would make sense. Refusing her because maybe there's the possibility that we might fall for Tai despite Ling Qi's limited interest and issues doesn't make sense.
 
Black Noise said:
Our flute attack comes as part of FVM, which draws from our spiritual cultivation. Since current plans seem to be aiming for Appraisal Green, Early Bronze, we'll have the +1 auto from specialty and +1 auto from base cultivation over using physical-based archery.
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Where did you get the idea that current plans were aiming to push spiritual but not physical to Appraisal? I've seen nothing like that in the discussion.
 
[X] Plan Favorless
-[X] Argent Vent Bonus -> Argent Current
-[X] Grinning Moon Bonus -> Abyssal Exhalation
-[X] Overflow -> Physical
-[X] Use from inventory: 3 RSS (3), 1 YSS (10), Highsun Pill
-[X] Purchase: Channel Cleansing Pill (2) + Heavy Rains Pill (10) + Gushing Spring Pill (2) + Flowing Rivers Pill (6) + Both Fire Pills (2+6) + Vigorous Sapling Pill (2) + Second Wood Pill (6) + Bear Marrow Elixir (4) + Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10) + White Hart Elixir (6) + Steady Growth Pill (8) + Sturdy Oak Pill (18)
-[X] Total resources consumed: 3+10+2+10+2+6+2+6+2+6+4+10+6+8+18=95RSS, 1 Highsun Pill
Major Actions
-[X] Explore and Train with Golden Fields
--[X] Cultivate Argent Current
-[X] Train at the vent with Su Ling
--[X] Open Arm Meridian
--[X] (minor) Invite Su Ling to join in and spar with the Ma Sisters. She could use some partners closer to her level, and more friends besides
-[X] Cultivate on your own
--[X] Cultivate Thousand Ring Fortress
--[X] (minor) Zhengui's pyre had begun to dim, shrinking no matter how much fuel you add. You should be there when he emerges
-[X] Research Dragons, and how one might be appeased
-[X] Take a Job
--[X] Passion Fruit Collection
Minor Actions
-[X] Meizhen has been disappearing more often, she's even too busy to train this week. What is she up too?
-[X] You never did get to go out have a night on the proverbial town with Xiulan, see if she's still up for that
-[X] You've learned what you can from simply observing Cai Renxiang. Ask her about the capital and about herself

Stealing @PrimalShadow's suggested plan, with a few minor differences.

The first is swapping the Moon Boon from Physical Cultivation to Abyssal Exhalation because, even though I hate AE, those bonus successes would probably be wasted on Physical.

I've also detached Gu Xiulan's minor and attached Zhengui's to Thousand Ring Fortress cultivation instead. That just makes more sense to me, since going out with Xiulan isn't exactly something we can do while hunting with the rest of the Golden Fields team, whereas we can sit by Zhengui and comfort him with that nice healing/strengthening Wood qi aura art while waiting for him to pop out.

Edit: Also swapped in the Passion Fruit Collection job.
Edit2: Didn't realise I was missing the Cai Renxiang minor action, so I've traded that for the puzzle box.
 
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Seventeen said:
[X] Plan Favorless
-[X] Argent Vent Bonus -> Argent Current
-[X] Grinning Moon Bonus -> Abyssal Exhalation
-[X] Overflow -> Physical
-[X] Use from inventory: 3 RSS (3), 1 YSS (10), Highsun Pill
-[X] Purchase: Channel Cleansing Pill (2) + Heavy Rains Pill (10) + Gushing Spring Pill (2) + Flowing Rivers Pill (6) + Both Fire Pills (2+6) + Vigorous Sapling Pill (2) + Second Wood Pill (6) + Bear Marrow Elixir (4) + Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10) + White Hart Elixir (6) + Steady Growth Pill (8) + Sturdy Oak Pill (18)
-[X] Total resources consumed: 3+10+2+10+2+6+2+6+2+6+4+10+6+8+18=95RSS, 1 Highsun Pill
Major Actions
-[X] Explore and Train with Golden Fields
--[X] Cultivate Argent Current
-[X] Train at the vent with Su Ling
--[X] Open Arm Meridian
--[X] (minor) Invite Su Ling to join in and spar with the Ma Sisters. She could use some partners closer to her level, and more friends besides
-[X] Cultivate on your own
--[X] Cultivate Thousand Ring Fortress
--[X] (minor) Zhengui's pyre had begun to dim, shrinking no matter how much fuel you add. You should be there when he emerges
-[X] Research Dragons, and how one might be appeased
-[X] Attempt Breakthrough (Spiritual)
Minor Actions
-[X] Meizhen has been disappearing more often, she's even too busy to train this week. What is she up too?
-[X] You never did get to go out have a night on the proverbial town with Xiulan, see if she's still up for that
-[X] Work to unlock the Puzzle Box

Stealing @PrimalShadow's suggested plan, with a few minor differences.

The first is swapping the Moon Boon from Physical Cultivation to Abyssal Exhalation because, even though I hate AE, those bonus successes would probably be wasted on Physical.

I've also detached Gu Xiulan's minor and attached Zhengui's to Thousand Ring Fortress cultivation instead. That just makes more sense to me, since going out with Xiulan isn't exactly something we can do while hunting with the rest of the Golden Fields team, whereas we can sit by Zhengui and comfort him with that nice healing/strengthening Wood qi aura art while waiting for him to pop out.
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TRF is much safer odds with a friend bonus though.
 
[X] Plan Let's Try This Out

I severely dislike this obsession that the thread atm has with Fu's favors, which logically are not urgent at all, as they concern the end of the year final projects of the production students.
Which is what, 15 weeks from now?

Yes, we should do them eventually, but we really should wait for green/larceny talisman.

We stand a lot to lose on failure and for no reason.
 
PrimalShadow said:
Where did you get the idea that current plans were aiming to push spiritual but not physical to Appraisal? I've seen nothing like that in the discussion.
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You really should join the discord, we've got spiraling arguments during withdrawal periods and spreadsheet backed math.

Speaking of, here's some code for the new FSS at 40 dice vs MS at 11: AnyDice
The interesting thing to note is that for enemy defense dice higher than ~25, FSS offers significantly better dps (and is less subject to damage mitigation). Means MS is now only useful for mowing down heavily debuffed opponents or trying to land multiple trick-arrows in 1 turn.

Also, @Seventeen there's a reason all current plans have TRF as a friends action, we're at >97% with friends, 91% without; equivalent risk to opening another meridian for basically no gain, and on something we really want done this turn.
 
@Seventeen not a fan of dimnishing our odds of breakthrough next week by making an attempt now.

It is wose than choosing not to do anything with the action, i think.

Also no mission or ways to use both stealth and gain points?
 
Black Noise said:
You really should join the discord, we've got spiraling arguments during withdrawal periods and spreadsheet backed math.

Speaking of, here's some code for the new FSS at 40 dice vs MS at 11: AnyDice
The interesting thing to note is that for enemy defense dice higher than ~25, FSS offers significantly better dps (and is less subject to damage mitigation). Means MS is now only useful for mowing down heavily debuffed opponents or trying to land multiple trick-arrows in 1 turn.

Also, @Seventeen there's a reason all current plans have TRF as a friends action, we're at >97% with friends, 91% without; equivalent risk to opening another meridian for basically no gain, and on something we really want done this turn.
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wait, we only have 97 chance to get 26 successes with 62 dice?
 
Erebeal said:
That's nice, but that's just a decent regular support. Doesn't really compare to trapping everyone, giving them -12 to defense, and bleeding their qi and armor durability. FVM is obscenely powerful in large group engagements and is incredibly qi efficient - and just gets better the more enemies we have.
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Sure - after we've spent two turns worth of setup on it, gotten hits on everything, and had multiple turns for the dissonance debuff to build up. Against sufficient numbers of sufficiently mookish enemies, that works wonders. But in practice, that is only going to be the case occasionally; we are just-as if not more likely to encounter a situation with few mooks, in which case it may very well be more valuable to use AC+FZ to coordinate the takedown of one of their stronger hitters, or boost the defense of our allies so they don't get taken down.

FVM is great, but we can fill a team support role perfectly well even without it.
 
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