Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

-[] Try for x2 Favors, but stop at 1 if the first heist doesn't go well (i.e. we have to use our reroll)
Erm, don't you mean "try for 3 favors, stop after using up reroll?"

Like, I'm against doing just 1 when we just commissioned some tools, and I'm against trying all 3 at once right now on the off-chance they're all DC11 or there's a DC12 mixed in, but just aiming at 2 is kinda weird since "try until reroll used" means the only way to truly fail is to fumble the roll and the reroll on some heist.
 
[X] Plan: The Final Countdown

Because I'd rather do all three than a single favor.

Also, we eat a highsun pill last week, shouldn't the missing heart meridian roll also give a free bonus physical roll ?
Is there actually a need to focus anything on physical ? if we add an other free roll next week we should be more than capped. We could have the moon bonus towards AE and overflow towards Qi instead.
 
Erm, don't you mean "try for 3 favors, stop after using up reroll?"

Like, I'm against doing just 1 when we just commissioned some tools, and I'm against trying all 3 at once right now on the off-chance they're all DC11 or there's a DC12 mixed in, but just aiming at 2 is kinda weird since "try until reroll used" means the only way to truly fail is to fumble the roll and the reroll on some heist.

I think we can probably get away with using this once, a "Prepare for two, but if it looks like the first one is a bit too tough, reconsider".
 
Waiting for the talisman isn't a bad idea, but it would take close to a month; if we want to do the favor before breakthrough, we have to do it without the talismans.
Where did it say that we'd have to wait a full month? Is that how long it took our flute commission?

Honestly? I think we've basically learned all we need to regarding Cai; at this point, I'd be pretty comfortable taking her offer. I do want to get more socializing in before then, but we will have a chance to do that next turn.
I feel the same way, but I was talking more about IC relations. I know that there are some players who've said that they won't vote to join Cai unless Ling Qi is friendly with her, likely by her Relationship Status changing to something like:
Cai Renxiang: oo
-Friend

Just something to keep in mind.
 
Sorry, but I feel like the Cai minor is very important for this turn. Even though there's no Xiulan minor, I did invite her to burninate wolves with us though. She'll probably enjoy that, and even if Ling Qi can take the wolves alone, it's good to bring at least one backup.
I agree with this. Killing wolves with Lan Lan is enough fun for this week, and doing a girl's night out next week could be just the thing to destress before going into breakthrough.
 
I really don't think we need to rush to do this favour by the way. Seriously. Ling Qi plays with the big girls. It's punching down no matter what, especially since we're not even going after face punchers but freaking production students. And not even a fight, but sabotage. Seriously, let's just do this after Green and frame our good buddy Renshu. He'll have motive to want to wreck competition after Meizhen and Ling Qi shred his shit.
 
I think we can probably get away with using this once, a "Prepare for two, but if it looks like the first one is a bit too tough, reconsider".
That's just excuses though, if yrs allows "try for 2, stop if reroll used" (which is what it is in practice no matter how you dress it up), he might as well allow for "try for 3, stop if reroll used".
 
Where did it say that we'd have to wait a full month? Is that how long it took our flute commission?
I believe that is how long we have to wait for talisman orders, yes.

I feel the same way, but I was talking more about IC relations. I know that there are some players who've said that they won't vote to join Cai unless Ling Qi is friendly with her, likely by her Relationship Status changing to something like:
Cai Renxiang: oo
-Friend

Just something to keep in mind.
IC, I think the tipping point was last week, when we saw this:
Which was why Ling Qi was struggling to continue telling herself that Cai was anything less than sincere in her stated intentions toward her. When Cai made definitive statements, it seemed like she meant them.

Which was why, as she shared tea with Cai one day, she found herself considering taking the initiative in conversation with the girl. The times she shared with the girl were usually polite and quiet, with their conversation limited to polite inquiries into each others cultivation.
Ling Qi had a feeling that this was deliberate on her part. She probably thought Ling Qi would take badly to perceived pushiness, and was choosing to be passive to let her grow comfortable.

...It rankled a little that it was working.
 
That's just excuses though, if yrs allows "try for 2, stop if reroll used" (which is what it is in practice no matter how you dress it up), he might as well allow for "try for 3, stop if reroll used".
I don't want to try for 3 at all. Even if we do 2 without using a reroll, I'm okay with that. 2 is already showing initiative and doing more than the minimum.
 
Ji Rong was the first one that she spotted, walking cockily out in front of the three other boys with him. Despite that he looked alert and ready for trouble, his aura felt charged, like the air before a thunderstorm. His companions were less disciplined, joking and bragging among themselves. None of the other three cought Ling Qi's eye, two mid yellows and a low, without any equipment or quirks to their qi which caught her eye. One of the two mid yellows was wind element though. SHe'd keep an eye on him to ensure that he didn't do something to help the others escape.
Ji Rong's intriguing -- his elements are primarily Heaven and Thunder, completely unlike Ling Qi's and Li Suyin's first-gen jumble. He has a coherent elemental suite like an established clan instead of the first-generation cultivator he is. Going by his personality, he almost certainly has an affinity for either Thunder or Heaven. Thus, leveling his arts should be as simple and quick for him as leveling Wind arts are for Ling Qi. With his Talent, that he still hasn't broken through is a testament to how badly his setbacks have deleteriously affected his cultivation rate.

The unnamed extras... The Guards were Early Silver, judging by Ji Rong's +2 autos against them, and the hanger-on raiders were 2 mid + 1 early. Against two basically-Green combatants, they were all almost entirely irrelevant.

Ma Jun activates Autumnal Chord
+2 to Musical arts and spiritual defenses, one free dispel attempt each turn for three turns
Ah, here's the sp.def music buff to the hypothesized sp.atk music buff we want. (The autumn to the vernal..?) The sp.atk version probably would have a boost to anti-dispel instead of free dispels, too.

As for the fight itself.
-The only reason the guards were relevant as they were was because Ji Rong consistently rolled awful on his rolls. With his autos, Ji Rong had dice superiority.
-After the debuffs and buffs and multi-attacks, Ji Rong's dice pools were reduced to mere parity with the guards. Gan Guangli would have needed way more extras to match Ling Qi's contribution.
-Ling Qi's buffs were critical -- without her, the guards would be languishing at dice parity with a completely debuffed Ji Rong and hit for piddly amounts of damage.
-Thus, by the time Gan Guangli entered the fight, it was already effectively over.

Sun Liling wouldn;t recover easily from this. Ji Rong and Kang Zihao were really her only major supporters, aside from Lu Feng.
So Sun Liling now only has Kang Zihao's badly mauled faction to her banner. As a wargame, she's badly losing and only survives because her opponents fear the intervention of outside observers.

I expect Cai Renxiang, as she regards this as a civ-building game, to allow Sun Liling to mount another attack once or twice more for a chance to break off Kang Zihao and overstretch her position. Cai probably would then move to bring her into alliance in the last month or two of the year, because she needs to establish complete dominance over her province-in-miniature. (And, Sun Liling can be mapped over as an Imperial clan representative or equivalent, who are too important for Cai to subjugate but nonetheless must be capable of bringing over to her side.)

Not quite sure how she'll do that -- perhaps using the last month to subjugate the last of the outer years in a Sun-Cai alliance for a technically-passing? -- especially with Meizhan's mutual enmity, but leaving her unneutralized goes against the Cai path of absolute perfection.
 
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Ji Rong's intriguing -- his elements are primarily Heaven and Thunder, completely unlike Ling Qi's and Li Suyin's first-gen jumble. He has a coherent elemental suite like an established clan instead of the first-generation cultivator he is. Going by his personality, he almost certainly has an affinity for either Thunder or Heaven. Thus, leveling his arts should be as simple and quick for him as leveling Wind arts are for Ling Qi. With his Talent, that he still hasn't broken through is a testament to how badly his setbacks have deleteriously affected his cultivation rate.

It's interesting that element wise, Ji Rong is better suited to Cai whereas Ling Qi's elements map decently well to Sun Liling (and Meizhen of course).
 
Let's see if I can find a plan I'd want to back
Adhoc vote count started by Waffle on Dec 22, 2017 at 2:23 PM, finished with 185 posts and 22 votes.

  • [X] Plan Steady as a Turtle
    -[X] Argent Vent Bonus -> Argent Current
    -[X] Grinning Moon Bonus -> Physical
    -[X] Overflow -> Physical
    -[X] Use from inventory: 3 RSS (3), 1 YSS (10), Highsun Pill
    -[X] Purchase: Channel Cleansing Pill (2) + Heavy Rains Pill (10) + Gushing Spring Pill (2) + Flowing Rivers Pill (6) + Both Fire Pills (2+6) + Vigorous Sapling Pill (2) + Second Wood Pill (6) + Bear Marrow Elixir (4) + Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10) + White Hart Elixir (6) + Steady Growth Pill (8) + Sturdy Oak Pill (18)
    -[X] Total resources consumed: 3+10+2+10+2+6+2+6+2+6+4+10+6+8+18=95RSS, 1 Highsun Pill
    -[X] Explore and Train with Golden Fields
    --[X] Cultivate Argent Current
    --[X] (minor) You never did get to go out have a night on the proverbial town with Xiulan, see if she's still up for that
    -[X] Train at the vent with Su Ling
    --[X] Open Arm Meridian
    --[X] (minor) Invite Su Ling to join in and spar with the Ma Sisters. She could use some partners closer to her level, and more friends besides
    -[X] Cultivate on your own
    --[X] Cultivate Thousand Ring Fortress
    -[X] Research Dragons, and how one might be appeased
    -[X] Do a favor for Fu Xiang
    --[X] Try for x2 Favors, but stop at 1 if the first heist doesn't go too well (i.e. we have used up our reroll)
    -[X] Meizhen has been disappearing more often, she's even too busy to train this week. What is she up too?
    -[X] Zhengui's pyre had begun to dim, shrinking no matter how much fuel you add. You should be there when he emerges
    -[X] Work to unlock the Puzzle Box
    [X] Plan: The Final Countdown
    -[X] Purchase: Channel Cleansing Pill (2) + Heavy Rains Pill (10) + Gushing Spring Pill (2) + Flowing Rivers Pill (6) + Both Fire Pills (2+6) + Vigorous Sapling Pill (2) + Second Wood Pill (6) + Bear Marrow Elixir (4) + Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10) + White Hart Elixir (6) + Steady Growth Pill (8) + Sturdy Oak Pill (18)
    -[X] Total resources consumed: 3+10+2+10+2+6+2+6+2+6+4+10+6+8+18=95RSS, 1 Highsun Pill
    -[X] EPC Bonus: Physical Cultivation
    -[X] Overflow -> Physical
    -[X] Major: Train at the Vent with Su Ling (Arm Meridian)
    --[X] Attached Minor: Invite Su Ling to join in and spar with the Ma Sisters. She could use some partners closer to her level, and more friends besides
    -[X] Major: Explore and Train with Golden Fields (Thousand Ring Fortress)
    --[X] Attached Minor: You never did get to go out have a night on the proverbial town with Xiulan, see if she's still up for that
    -[X] Major: Cultivate on your Own (Argent Current)
    -[X] Major: Research Dragons, and how they might be appeased
    -[X] Major: Do a Favor for Fu Xiang (3)
    -[X] Minor: Work to Unlock the Puzzle Box
    -[X] Minor: Zhengui's pyre had begun to dim, shrinking no matter how much fuel you add. You should be there when he emerges
    -[X] Minor: You've learned what you can from simply observing Cai Renxiang. Ask her about the capital and about herself
    [x] Plan Let's Try This Out
    -[X] Argent Vent Bonus -> Argent Current
    -[X] Grinning Moon Bonus -> Physical
    -[X] Overflow -> Physical
    -[x] Pills: I dunno, someone advise me
    -[X] Explore and Train with Golden Fields
    --[X] Open Arm Meridian
    -[X] Train at the vent with Su Ling
    --[X] Cultivate Thousand Ring Fortress
    --[X] (minor) Invite Su Ling to join in and spar with the Ma Sisters. She could use some partners closer to her level, and more friends besides
    -[X] Cultivate on your own
    --[X] Cultivate Argent Current
    ---[x] (minor) Work to unlock the Puzzle Box
    -[X] Research Dragons, and how one might be appeased
    -[x] Take a job
    -[x] Wolfpack Hunt
    --[x] Invite Xiulan
    -[X] Meizhen has been disappearing more often, she's even too busy to train this week. What is she up too?
    -[X] Zhengui's pyre had begun to dim, shrinking no matter how much fuel you add. You should be there when he emerges
    -[x] You've learned what you can from simply observing Cai Renxiang. Ask her about the capital and about herself

Adhoc vote count started by Waffle on Dec 23, 2017 at 7:35 AM, finished with 43780 posts and 64 votes.

  • [X] Plan: Flaming Fire + Woodworking
    -[X] Use: Highsun Pill
    -[X] Purchase: Channel Cleansing Pill (2) + Heavy Rains Pill (10) + Gushing Spring Pill (2) + Flowing Rivers Pill (6) + Both Fire Pills (2+6) + Vigorous Sapling Pill (2) + Second Wood Pill (6) + Bear Marrow Elixir (4) + Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10) + White Hart Elixir (6) + Steady Growth Pill (8) + Sturdy Oak Pill (18)
    -[X] Total resources consumed: 3+10+2+10+2+6+2+6+2+6+4+10+6+8+18= 85RSS, 1 YSS, 1 Highsun Pill
    -[X] EPC Bonus: Abyssal Exhalation
    -[X] Overflow -> Physical
    -[X] Major: Train at the Vent with Su Ling
    --[X] Arm Meridian
    --[X] Attached Minor: Invite Su Ling to join in and spar with the Ma Sisters. She could use some partners closer to her level, and more friends besides
    -[X] Major: Explore and Train with Golden Fields
    --[X] Thousand Ring Fortress
    --[X] Attached Minor: You never did get to go out have a night on the proverbial town with Xiulan, see if she's still up for that
    -[X] Major: Cultivate on your Own
    --[X] Argent Current
    -[X] Major: Research Dragons, and how they might be appeased
    -[X] Major: Do a Job
    --[X] Wolfpack Hunt: A group of rinefur wolves have moved into the wilderness at the base of the mountains. Numbering nearly a score, with an alpha at the first stages of grade three, they cannot be allowed to remain. Eliminate the pack. 3 points for each slain wolf. 15 for the alpha.
    --[X] Invite Gu Xiulan
    -[X] Minor: Work to Unlock the Puzzle Box
    -[X] Minor: Zhengui's pyre had begun to dim, shrinking no matter how much fuel you add. You should be there when he emerges
    -[X] Minor: Meizhen has been disappearing more often, she's even too busy to train this week. What is she up too?
    [X] Plan: The Final Countdown
    -[X] Purchase: Channel Cleansing Pill (2) + Heavy Rains Pill (10) + Gushing Spring Pill (2) + Flowing Rivers Pill (6) + Both Fire Pills (2+6) + Vigorous Sapling Pill (2) + Second Wood Pill (6) + Bear Marrow Elixir (4) + Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10) + White Hart Elixir (6) + Steady Growth Pill (8) + Sturdy Oak Pill (18)
    -[X] Total resources consumed: 3+10+2+10+2+6+2+6+2+6+4+10+6+8+18=95RSS, 1 Highsun Pill
    -[X] EPC Bonus: Physical Cultivation
    -[X] Overflow -> Physical
    -[X] Major: Train at the Vent with Su Ling (Arm Meridian)
    --[X] Attached Minor: Invite Su Ling to join in and spar with the Ma Sisters. She could use some partners closer to her level, and more friends besides
    -[X] Major: Explore and Train with Golden Fields (Thousand Ring Fortress)
    --[X] Attached Minor: You never did get to go out have a night on the proverbial town with Xiulan, see if she's still up for that
    -[X] Major: Cultivate on your Own (Argent Current)
    -[X] Major: Research Dragons, and how they might be appeased
    -[X] Major: Do a Favor for Fu Xiang (2)
    -[X] Minor: Work to Unlock the Puzzle Box
    -[X] Minor: Zhengui's pyre had begun to dim, shrinking no matter how much fuel you add. You should be there when he emerges
    -[X] Minor: You've learned what you can from simply observing Cai Renxiang. Ask her about the capital and about herself
    [X] Plan Steady as a Turtle
    -[X] Argent Vent Bonus -> Argent Current
    -[X] Grinning Moon Bonus -> Physical
    -[X] Overflow -> Physical
    -[X] Use from inventory: 3 RSS (3), 1 YSS (10), Highsun Pill
    -[X] Purchase: Channel Cleansing Pill (2) + Heavy Rains Pill (10) + Gushing Spring Pill (2) + Flowing Rivers Pill (6) + Both Fire Pills (2+6) + Vigorous Sapling Pill (2) + Second Wood Pill (6) + Bear Marrow Elixir (4) + Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10) + White Hart Elixir (6) + Steady Growth Pill (8) + Sturdy Oak Pill (18)
    -[X] Total resources consumed: 3+10+2+10+2+6+2+6+2+6+4+10+6+8+18=95RSS, 1 Highsun Pill
    -[X] Explore and Train with Golden Fields
    --[X] Cultivate Thousand Ring Fortress
    --[X] (minor) You never did get to go out have a night on the proverbial town with Xiulan, see if she's still up for that
    -[X] Train at the vent with Su Ling
    --[X] Open Arm Meridian
    --[X] (minor) Invite Su Ling to join in and spar with the Ma Sisters. She could use some partners closer to her level, and more friends besides
    -[X] Cultivate on your own
    --[X] Cultivate Argent Current
    -[X] Research Dragons, and how one might be appeased
    -[X] Do a favor for Fu Xiang
    --[X] Try for x2 Favors, but stop at 1 if the first heist doesn't go too well (i.e. we have used up our reroll)
    -[X] Meizhen has been disappearing more often, she's even too busy to train this week. What is she up too?
    -[X] Zhengui's pyre had begun to dim, shrinking no matter how much fuel you add. You should be there when he emerges
    -[X] Work to unlock the Puzzle Box
    [x] Plan Let's Try This Out
    -[X] Use: Highsun Pill
    -[X] Purchase: Channel Cleansing Pill (2) + Heavy Rains Pill (10) + Gushing Spring Pill (2) + Flowing Rivers Pill (6) + Both Fire Pills (2+6) + Vigorous Sapling Pill (2) + Second Wood Pill (6) + Bear Marrow Elixir (4) + Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10) + White Hart Elixir (6) + Steady Growth Pill (8) + Sturdy Oak Pill (18)
    -[X] Total resources consumed: 3+10+2+10+2+6+2+6+2+6+4+10+6+8+18= 85RSS, 1 YSS, 1 Highsun Pill
    -[X] EPC Bonus: Abyssal Exhalation
    -[X] Overflow -> Physical
    -[X] Argent Vent Bonus -> Argent Current
    -[X] Explore and Train with Golden Fields
    --[X] Open Arm Meridian
    ---[X] (minor) You never did get to go out have a night on the proverbial town with Xiulan, see if she's still up for that
    -[X] Train at the vent with Su Ling
    --[X] Cultivate Thousand Ring Fortress
    -[X] Cultivate on your own
    --[X] Cultivate Argent Current
    ---[x] (minor) Work to unlock the Puzzle Box
    -[X] Research Dragons, and how one might be appeased
    -[x] Take a job
    -[x] Wolfpack Hunt
    --[x] Invite Xiulan
    -[X] Meizhen has been disappearing more often, she's even too busy to train this week. What is she up too?
    -[X] Zhengui's pyre had begun to dim, shrinking no matter how much fuel you add. You should be there when he emerges
    -[x] You've learned what you can from simply observing Cai Renxiang. Ask her about the capital and about herself
    [X] Plan Favorless
    -[X] Argent Vent Bonus -> Argent Current
    -[X] Grinning Moon Bonus -> Abyssal Exhalation
    -[X] Overflow -> Physical
    -[X] Use from inventory: 3 RSS (3), 1 YSS (10), Highsun Pill
    -[X] Purchase: Channel Cleansing Pill (2) + Heavy Rains Pill (10) + Gushing Spring Pill (2) + Flowing Rivers Pill (6) + Both Fire Pills (2+6) + Vigorous Sapling Pill (2) + Second Wood Pill (6) + Bear Marrow Elixir (4) + Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10) + White Hart Elixir (6) + Steady Growth Pill (8) + Sturdy Oak Pill (18)
    -[X] Total resources consumed: 3+10+2+10+2+6+2+6+2+6+4+10+6+8+18=95RSS, 1 Highsun Pill
    -[X] Explore and Train with Golden Fields
    --[X] Cultivate Argent Current
    -[X] Train at the vent with Su Ling
    --[X] Open Arm Meridian
    --[X] (minor) Invite Su Ling to join in and spar with the Ma Sisters. She could use some partners closer to her level, and more friends besides
    -[X] Cultivate on your own
    --[X] Cultivate Thousand Ring Fortress
    --[X] (minor) Zhengui's pyre had begun to dim, shrinking no matter how much fuel you add. You should be there when he emerges
    -[X] Research Dragons, and how one might be appeased
    -[x] Take a job
    --[X] Passion Fruit Collection
    -[X] Meizhen has been disappearing more often, she's even too busy to train this week. What is she up too?
    -[X] You never did get to go out have a night on the proverbial town with Xiulan, see if she's still up for that
    -[x] You've learned what you can from simply observing Cai Renxiang. Ask her about the capital and about herself
    [X] Plan: Flaming Fire + Woodworkin
    [X] Plan TOKEN DOOMED RESISTANCE
    -[X] Use: Highsun Pill
    -[X] Purchase: Channel Cleansing Pill (2) + Heavy Rains Pill (10) + Gushing Spring Pill (2) + Flowing Rivers Pill (6) + Both Fire Pills (2+6) + Vigorous Sapling Pill (2) + Second Wood Pill (6) + Bear Marrow Elixir (4) + Bear's Heartsblood Elixir (10) + White Hart Elixir (6) + Steady Growth Pill (8) + Sturdy Oak Pill (18)
    -[X] Total resources consumed: 3+10+2+10+2+6+2+6+2+6+4+10+6+8+18= 85RSS, 1 YSS, 1 Highsun Pill
    -[X] EPC Bonus: Abyssal Exhalation
    -[X] Overflow -> Physical
    -[X] Major: Train at the Vent with Su Ling
    --[X] Arm Meridian
    --[X] Attached Minor: Invite Su Ling to join in and spar with the Ma Sisters. She could use some partners closer to her level, and more friends besides
    -[X] Major: Explore and Train with Golden Fields
    --[X] Thousand Ring Fortress
    --[X] Attached Minor: You never did get to go out have a night on the proverbial town with Xiulan, see if she's still up for that
    -[X] Major: Cultivate on your Own
    --[X] Argent Current
    -[X] Major: Research Dragons, and how they might be appeased
    -[X] Major: Do a Job
    --[X] Wolfpack Hunt: A group of rinefur wolves have moved into the wilderness at the base of the mountains. Numbering nearly a score, with an alpha at the first stages of grade three, they cannot be allowed to remain. Eliminate the pack. 3 points for each slain wolf. 15 for the alpha.
    --[X] Invite Gu Xiulan
    -[X] Minor: Zhengui's pyre had begun to dim, shrinking no matter how much fuel you add. You should be there when he emerges
    -[X] Minor: Speak with Han Jian, about Argent Storm and the Golden Fields. What is his home like?
    -[X] Minor: Your feelings regarding Gu Tai are... conflicted, maybe you should speak with him a bit. You know where he is staying.
 
With his Talent, that he still hasn't broken through is a testament to how badly his setbacks have deleteriously affected his cultivation rate.
Don't undersell Ling Qi. We've gotten MASSIVE gains to put us where we are, saving weeks and weeks of effort thanks to the various pills we earned (or in some cases, stole). Us being ahead of Ji Rong in terms of progress towards breaking through is perfectly natural, even if he hadn't run into any major setbacks (at least as long as he hadn't also run into fortunes commensurate with our own).
 
Yeah, the chief difference at this point between Final Countdown and Steady as a Turtle is that Final Countdown has a CRX action and Steady has a Meizhen Action, they're otherwise identical at this point.

So pick the one of the two that has the Minor Action you prefer of those
 
[X] Plan Steady as a Turtle

Has everything I want and truthfully I don't want to do more then 1 or 2 sabotage to the poor hardworking production track.
 
[X] Plan Let's Try This Out

This will have to do as most people seem to want the Su Ling minor when I'd really prefer the Xiulan or Jian minor.
 
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