Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

And then Shao descends upon the Argent Peak and blows up the mountain.
The worst part about Liling is that if she dies the only one who will be alive after the Shao aftermath will be CRX and maybe Meizhen
Eh. If he's told his daughter died because she killed a fourth realm spirit's kid, the only proper response is "Welp, guess I dodged a bullet with getting a dumbass heir there". Seriously, that's a darwin award right there.
 
[X] Bound up the cliffs, heading for the black pool. Zeqing will be waiting, and Sun Liling is no match for her. It's a long run though.
 
We haven't done anything to utterly enrage her at us. This could do that. The worse outcome of staying and fighting is 'we lose all our stuff.' The worst outcome of pulling a dangerous alien spirit into our games is 'we offend her and she eats us.'

We're upping the stakes significantly by trying to pull her into this scheme, with no reason to think she'll take our side rather then be pissed off we pulled that kind of situation down on her.

Like, sometime you lose, which is an idea this thread really doesn't seem to like accepting. All our choices at this point are bad, but going for double or nothing can make it much worse.

Why would we think a spirit of obsessive attachment would side with her pseudo protege instead of some random dudette that reeks of blood?

We already know that Zeqing is defined by her 'clinginess', and seeing someone trying to take what's hers is likely to goad her to intervene and help her chosen human. Xin straight up told us that spirits don't think like humans and this is merely talking advantage of that fact.

EDIT: I mentioned Hanyi because I think it would be cool if she came to help Ling Qi by confusing Sun Liling senses as a call back to how we first met her. Though as @PrimalShadow said it's unlikely she is here.
 
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Ugh. Was kinda afraid something like this would happen when we got seen inside the fort.

Going back down feels like the trap option, Sun Liling specifically mentioned our dress as 'annoying as shit' so she probably prepared something in advance to deal with that, or anything with running down the mountain.

Staying and fighting is probably the option she'd least expect of us, so there might be a chance to pull a fast one. We are nearly guaranteed to lose that fight though. People keep saying that she'd probably loot our dress, I'm not so sure. I feel like she'd just straight up destroy it, though she'd likely want to cripple us in other ways.

Going up the mountain. . . Sun Liling could figure out easily enough that we are going up the mountain for a reason. I think this option would have her bringing out her big guns earlier than just staying and fighting, where she'd probably play with us a bit before laying the smack down (though she might do that anyway, doing the hunter-hunting-prey thing). Ling Qi does mention that it is a long run though, so this one will probably be a slog.
 
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And then Shao descends upon the Argent Peak and blows up the mountain.
The worst part about Liling is that if she dies the only one who will be alive after the Shao aftermath will be CRX and maybe Meizhen

Not sure about this, at all.
We know that most of Meizhen's relatives were sent to different sects and are expected to be killed, and no retaliation from the Bai clan is expected.

I doubt it is different with Shao.
 
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So you think Sun Liling planned for us to run away, but didn't plan for us to try fighting her? :confused:

Even if we set that question aside, acting on ignoring our own strengths because our enemy planned for them is stupid. In our specialty, we might be able to beat Sun Liling despite her prep; in her specialty, we've got no chance. Plans that rely on a high-level enemy being weak in their area of expertise are bad plans.

I think she put most of the preparation into catching us or pinning us in place, and is relying on the rest of her badassery to fight us (which is a decent plan). The problem with running is that she's anticipated it and almost certainly has ways to stop us from fighting. Likely, those are traps or specific arts/tools that will bind us and force us into a fight anyway, just with additional debuffs over just fighting her right now. And pissing her off, so we get beat down harder.

Fighting someone as good at personally facepunching as she is is not the best decision either. I just don't see doing exactly what she would predict and have planned for as being better. I think it'll make things worse than doing something she hasn't prepped for. It's a sucky situation all around.
 
Why?

No, seriously, why? She invited us. We came. Sure, there is a third realm cultivator following us for some reason, but from her point of view, Liling may as well be a toddler. It's Not a problem at all.

Leading a fight to her, getting her involved in sect business and problems. Like, pretending that 'she invited us' is an excuse to get her involved in our fight is... I don't even know how to respond to that. It's being willfully blind. We would be making trouble for her in a pretty blatant manner.

She would be in the right to be offended. Like, no alien spirit magic required. Leading a fight to someone is a shitty thing to do if they aren't an active ally in the sense of 'we fight on the same side of the fight against the person you're fighting.'
 
Hee, having Ling Qi lose all her gear and probably get crippling injuries is pretty much game-over anyway.
I don't think there is any indication that she would cripple us here.

We definitely lose our Gown, and maybe some other items too, but honestly that isn't the end of the world, and it is certainly not game over. Only the gown and the flute are irreplaceable, and I don't think Sun Liling is a big enough dick to loot our heirloom flute. Losing the gown hurts, certainly, but it isn't something we can't recover from. We did just fine before we had the gown, after all.
 
Yeah, we're well and truly fucked here. Especially since I'm worried if we run up to Zeqing, we find Hanyi's there and she gets wrecked by Sun Liling as collateral.
I'm reasonably sure that Zeqing is always watching over Hanyi even when she doesn't appear to be there...especially when she doesn't appear to be there. Yandere moms are scary like that.
 
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Man I am sick and tired of this bitch. She has started every single fight so far and then she gets all pissy when we sneak into her base? Come on, she attacked Bai Meizhen completely unprovoked and destroyed our house!

[X] ...Stay and fight. If she wants a duel she can have one. You aren't weak anymore.
 
Leading a fight to her, getting her involved in sect business and problems. Like, pretending that 'she invited us' is an excuse to get her involved in our fight is... I don't even know how to respond to that. It's being willfully blind. We would be making trouble for her in a pretty blatant manner.

She would be in the right to be offended. Like, no alien spirit magic required. Leading a fight to someone is a shitty thing to do if they aren't an active ally in the sense of 'we fight on the same side of the fight against the person you're fighting.'
We aren't making trouble for her. Sun Liling is, as someone else put it, a toddler to Zeqing. If she decides she wants to talk to us, Zeqing doesn't have to give a solitary fuck about Sun Liling throwing a tantrum at her for interrupting a duel.
 
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Not sure about this, at all.
We know that most of Meizhen's relatives were sent to different sects and are expected to be killed, and no retaliation from the Bai clan is expected.

I doubt it is different with Shao.
Uhhhhhhh what?

Citation please.

A load of them were split up between the different sects sure. Them being hostages might be implied but straight up expecting them to be killed? That sort of attempt to wipe out the Bai is the sort of thing that would have them try and wake up their sublime ancestor. Hell half the nobility would probably rebel against that sort of blatant purge of the Throne's political opposition.
 
Going up the mountain. . . Sun Liling could figure out easily enough that we are going up the mountain for a reason. I think this option would have her bringing out her big guns earlier than just staying and fighting, where she'd probably play with us a bit before laying the smack down (though she might do that anyway, doing the hunter-hunting-prey thing). Ling Qi does mention that it is a long run though, so this one will probably be a slog.
Kinda doubt that.

It's relatively easy to figure out/come to the conclusion that we found a cultivation site up there.
We went there semi regularly and at some point Meizhen started going up there as well, so it's an easy conclusion to make and it's only reasonable to expect we'd go there again.
And intercepting us on the way up just requires you to know our initial route and to place someone there with good enough stealth that we don't sniff them out at a distance and circumvent the ambush spot.

Contrast that against what would be needed to spy on our interactions with a fourth realm spirit unnoticed and it seems really unlikely that they know we are on good terms with snowmom.
Hell, even if they know about her at all, which isn't certain, they'd probably only know of her as the yandere spirit who ate some playboy and that's really not a starting point from which to conclude that Ling Qi is on good enough terms with her to be protected.
Everyone pretty much knows where we got FVM so that's not a point of connection to be made easily either.

Running up the mountain is more likely to be read as an attempt to lose Liling in more favorable terrain and us not wanting to run towards whoever probably followed after us to cut off our retreat.
 
I think she put most of the preparation into catching us or pinning us in place, and is relying on the rest of her badassery to fight us (which is a decent plan). The problem with running is that she's anticipated it and almost certainly has ways to stop us from fighting. Likely, those are traps or specific arts/tools that will bind us and force us into a fight anyway, just with additional debuffs over just fighting her right now. And pissing her off, so we get beat down harder.

Fighting someone as good at personally facepunching as she is is not the best decision either. I just don't see doing exactly what she would predict and have planned for as being better. I think it'll make things worse than doing something she hasn't prepped for. It's a sucky situation all around.

"In the middle of a battle, Sun Liling forgot to fight!"

Does this seems reasoable to you? Liling could probably take out Ling Qi even with her Thunderdome Redux stats, not to mention her third grade spirit and tbe fact that she isn't going to hold back at all. This isn't a friendly spar, Liling is here to cut down a minor enemy before it grows into a major one.

Leading a fight to her, getting her involved in sect business and problems. Like, pretending that 'she invited us' is an excuse to get her involved in our fight is... I don't even know how to respond to that. It's being willfully blind. We would be making trouble for her in a pretty blatant manner.

She would be in the right to be offended. Like, no alien spirit magic required. Leading a fight to someone is a shitty thing to do if they aren't an active ally in the sense of 'we fight on the same side of the fight against the person you're fighting.'

Zeqing sees an enemy cultivator chasing her protege, her yandere senses are triggered and she jumps down to save her.

Zeqing is a spirit, not a human. A spirit defined by her possesiveness even, when she sees someone trying to take what's hers she will fight it with all her strength.

EDIT: The only people who know about Ling Qi interactions with Zeqing are the women spirit gossip club (aka Xin and friends). I don't think that Liling has an in there.
 
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[X] Bound up the cliffs, heading for the black pool. Zeqing will be waiting, and Sun Liling is no match for her. It's a long run though.
 
"Your gettin it," Sun Liling replied lightly. "Honor isn't built to favor the weak, but you got one thing wrong."

"What's that?" Ling Qi replied, tense as her thoughts raced on what best to do.

"Even the most hidebound noble in Celestial Peaks wouldn't frown at this," the crimson princess drawled. "You're too good for that, and you might as well have spat in my face with that lil' stunt at my fort. The fact is, you're a pain in the ass, but with that pretty dress o' yours, you're a menace. So take your first shot, run or whatever. I want to get this started."

"If you think I have honor, you're deluding yourself."

[X] Bound up the cliffs, heading for the black pool. Zeqing will be waiting, and Sun Liling is no match for her. It's a long run though.
 
[X] Bound up the cliffs, heading for the black pool. Zeqing will be waiting, and Sun Liling is no match for her. It's a long run though.
 
Uhhhhhhh what?

Citation please.

A load of them were split up between the different sects sure. Them being hostages might be implied but straight up expecting them to be killed? That sort of attempt to wipe out the Bai is the sort of thing that would have them try and wake up their sublime ancestor. Hell half the nobility would probably rebel against that sort of blatant purge of the Throne's political opposition.

I may be misremembering, but I thought yrsillar was saying somewhere that they were split up and put into sects far from home to sabotage their cultivation and to ideally get at least some of them killed.
 
Oh no, whether the kid gets hurt or not isn't the (only) problem. Any harm against Hannyi will result in an overwhelming response from Zeqing.
Whilst Sun is no longer underestimating us, I don't think she's overestimating us either.
Of all the people she has in her direct 'employment' (that is, not people like Yan Renshu or Chu Song), Sun is the only one who can reliably defeat us in a 1-on-1 fight. Even if this counts as 'punching down', her high rankers like Ji Rong or Lu Feng are probably roughly even with us.

Though, technically most people are punching up against Ling Qi, considering her height.
I'd note also that Sun is probably the only one of her lot who could FORCE a fight with Ling Qi. If we run into Ji Rong we'd also run away, except he would have lower chances of finding us even though he totally could beat us.
I don't think there is any indication that she would cripple us here.

We definitely lose our Gown, and maybe some other items too, but honestly that isn't the end of the world, and it is certainly not game over. Only the gown and the flute are irreplaceable, and I don't think Sun Liling is a big enough dick to loot our heirloom flute. Losing the gown hurts, certainly, but it isn't something we can't recover from. We did just fine before we had the gown, after all.
The flute she might go for. I don't think she knows enough to care that it has sentimental value.
 
The real problem here isn't the fight with Sun Liling, that's just us getting our shit pushed in and all of our stuff looted.

I'm worried about Yan Renshu, who would probably absolutely take the opportunity while we've been looted to kill, cripple, or otherwise bind us as revenge while we're reeling from getting our shit pushed in by Liling. I'm pretty sure she also knows that's likely, but as long as she personally doesn't do it, she considers herself in the clear.

So yeah, there really is no winning choice here, the only one that has a tiny chance of not having us destroyed is gambling that Zeqing backs us up. But I'm worried about the consequences of that, like her somehow getting killed by some expendable treasure Liling pulls out as an anti-angry spirit measure. That's full paranoia yes, but the way I see it, we were fucked the moment that Liling decided to personally kick our ass and make us stop being annoying.
 
I mean, certain people certainly wouldn't be sad if a couple Bai scions got crippled or killed, but as has been said there's certainly no direct designs in that direction. That has way too much potential to blow up.
 
[X] Bound up the cliffs, heading for the black pool. Zeqing will be waiting, and Sun Liling is no match for her. It's a long run though.

Even if Zeqing doesn't take part in the fight, I'm sure she'd make sure that we don't lose too much from it. Like Zeqing will make sure that we aren't taken prisoner, or that Yan Renshu doesn't take advantage of us being injured, etc. She's way too possessive not to do that.
 
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