Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

One good reason I can see for fighting her is that it means this ends now. If we put up a decent enough fight, then even if we lose Liling should regard that as sufficient repayment for our infiltration of her fortress, meaning she won't specifically come after us again unless we do something else to poke her.

OTOH, if we successfully run and this ends inconclusively, she won't have repaid us for the poke in the eye we dealt her. Either she has to come for us later on, or she escalates and goes after one of our friends/our home.

No, I'm not sacrificing our dress, anything else she can loot from us, and possible injuries, just so she won't come after us again. We escape now, best case, Zeqing drives her off, and then we can consult with our allies to avoid Sun's further attempts at retaliation.
 
if we run away run away now she WILL come after us again, if we stay and fight she will probably be satisfied with the outcome and leave us be until we bother her again.

Edit: and next time she comes for us she's going to be better prepared to pin us down and in a worse mood which means she's less likely to let us off lightly.
 
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Fleeing to Zeqing has a ... rather random chance of success. Alien mentality counter Zeqing probably noticing she screwed up (though definitively not understanting why and how). Considering the fact that the Sun princess is not retarded and will obviously not provoke the OPed Yukionna, and will more probably try to argue some sect or duel rule/law or an other, i'd say the overall chance of escaping that way is rather low.
Zequing is super possessive, as befitting of a darkness spirit.
In a small way, she has claimed us.
Sun Liling is attacking us and trying to keep us from our rendezvous with Zequing.



I like our chances as far as Zhequing's reaction is concerned.
 
One good reason I can see for fighting her is that it means this ends now. If we put up a decent enough fight, then even if we lose Liling should regard that as sufficient repayment for our infiltration of her fortress, meaning she won't specifically come after us again unless we do something else to poke her.

OTOH, if we successfully run and this ends inconclusively, she won't have repaid us for the poke in the eye we dealt her. Either she has to come for us later on, or she escalates and goes after one of our friends/our home.

Running to Zeqing will probably not end without a fight of some shape.
But just staying back for a fair fight is the most un Ling Qi thing I can think of.
We are not Ji Rong, we are sneaky and tricky.

Staying and fighting is the typical Xianxia protagonist way, ours so far was to use the environment and to cheat.
Involving Zeqing should play nicely into this.

And I wouldn't be surprised if we had to fight still - just in an environment that favors us.
 
One good reason I can see for fighting her is that it means this ends now. If we put up a decent enough fight, then even if we lose Liling should regard that as sufficient repayment for our infiltration of her fortress, meaning she won't specifically come after us again unless we do something else to poke her.

OTOH, if we successfully run and this ends inconclusively, she won't have repaid us for the poke in the eye we dealt her. Either she has to come for us later on, or she escalates and goes after one of our friends/our home.
Possibly, though it also depends on how she frames it to her followers.

"Yeah, I gave Ling Qi a good scare, but I ran into this 4th relm Yukionna before I could finish her off. Fighting a Yukionna on her own frozen mountain was fun but it's not something I would recommend for most people, ya' know? It's a pity Ling Qi got away but she'll think twice before messing with me again."

That might be enough to satisfy her. Especially because, let's be honest, we ARE going to be more cautious in dealing with her in the future, so she got at least some of what she wanted.
 
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So the thing is Sun's arts are Qi expensive. This is mitigated by her art that let's her regin Qi. Since that art caused her to be suspended I think we can assume that she has been forbidden from using that art.

Note, this isn't true.

Sure, in last time she eventually run out of Qi, but that was after her aerial fight with Cai. And even after that she had enough for a couple of overpowered Aoe attacks that almost took down the whole student council in it's own.

We know she can do aggravated damage (Probably perfect) bypassing most of our defenses except dodging, and her attack dice are surely better than that.

And the other problem is that our most potent weapon, that is, the mist debuffs, is lagging in dice. I don't think Liling has an optimal spiritual defense pool for her level, but even so she should disregard our debuffs easily.

(Man, we really need more FVM dice)

Anyway, reaching Zequing may be hard, but is better than stand our ground and be certainly beaten.
 
[X] ask if Sun would be willing to accept an alternative challenge.
-[X] I have no chance against you in a straight fight and we both know it.

Unlikely to work. She's not here for a challenge, she's here to punch our face in and punish us for having the temerity to sneak into her fort. If she wanted this fight to be fair, she'd have sent Ji Rong after us or something, instead of coming personally. She came personally because she knows she's way stronger than us and can beat us like a drum as punishment for our transgression. This is not intended to be a fight, this is intended to be a one-sided thrashing.
 
[X] Bound up the cliffs, heading for the black pool. Zeqing will be waiting, and Sun Liling is no match for her. It's a long run though.

Really. Our overconfidence (and stupidly bad luck I admit) from last week comes back to bite us and people are actually voting to fight Sun Liling? Good god the hubris is unbearable.

It would be absolutely hilarious if we could catch her in one of her own net arrows at some point but it's unlikely.
...you're complaining about an action that's losing 4 to 1. You miiight be being a little salty for no reason
 
Another problem with going up is the potential for Hannyi to get hurt, which would be bad for everyone.
Actually that's one of the few ways i can see that Zeqing would actually help.
Besides, she is faster than us. I think.
I very much doubt that Sun has over 31 innate speed plus a crap-ton of speed Arts on top of that XD
Yeah, she already admitted that "Yeah, I'm basically here to fuck your face and I specced towards hunting right now", running away or bolting are things she's both prepped for.

We need to stand our ground and be enough of an annoyance that we can actually make a run for it.

We're already mostly in Zeqing's territory right now, once we start playing, there's a good chance she'll notice anyway. But it means we don't get shot in the back for someone who already admitted that she's specced for chase and tracking.
What makes you think she not specc'ed to fuck people up in direct combat ?

One good reason I can see for fighting her is that it means this ends now. If we put up a decent enough fight, then even if we lose Liling should regard that as sufficient repayment for our infiltration of her fortress, meaning she won't specifically come after us again unless we do something else to poke her.

OTOH, if we successfully run and this ends inconclusively, she won't have repaid us for the poke in the eye we dealt her. Either she has to come for us later on, or she escalates and goes after one of our friends/our home.
Well yes, but if we can run away, then we can ambush her. With allies and prepared formations on our side instead.
If we stay and fight (and most probably lose) the dress is gone. And if the Ling QI actually does fight back decently she's prone to lose more, like the flute. Sun already shown she is willing to go pretty far to make sure Ling Qi isn't a threat anymore...

Zequing is super possessive, as befitting of a darkness spirit.
In a small way, she has claimed us.
Sun Liling is attacking us and trying to keep us from our rendezvous with Zequing.



I like our chances as far as Zhequing's reaction is concerned.
On the other hand, it seems obvious that spirits living on the Sect's Mountain are forced to follow the Sects rules, specially high tier ones. Having one that forbits spirits from harming disciples (unless directly threaten by them) seem logical.
 
[X] Bound up the cliffs, heading for the black pool. Zeqing will be waiting, and Sun Liling is no match for her. It's a long run though.
 
On the other hand, it seems obvious that spirits living on the Sect's Mountain are forced to follow the Sects rules, specially high tier ones. Having one that forbits spirits from harming disciples (unless directly threaten by them) seem logical.
In that case Zeqing never would have thrown us into the snowstorm. She admitted we might have died.
 
[X] Bound up the cliffs, heading for the black pool. Zeqing will be waiting, and Sun Liling is no match for her. It's a long run though.

Time to go and stay go.
 
There's no rule against protecting disciples from stupidity--and intruding on the territory of a higher spirit uninvited counts as stupidity.

What I'm worried about is if this ends up fucking our relationship over.
 
Seriously, people actually expect we stand a chance against her? Ling Qi is much better than she was before but she's bound to have improved a lot as well. We don't have a good offensive art to attack her with, there's no way we can penetrate her defense.

Leaning on Zeqing has every chance of offending the spirit, and making the situation much much worse.

Running for our allies isn't going to work, she's prepared for that.

In the end, this is the natural outcome of the 'Play Stupid Games' principle. We had no reason to invade her camp, so let's take out lumps rather then maiximize how badly she'll treat us after we lose.

[X] ...Stay and fight. If she wants a duel she can have one. You aren't weak anymore.
 
On the other hand, it seems obvious that spirits living on the Sect's Mountain are forced to follow the Sects rules, specially high tier ones. Having one that forbits spirits from harming disciples (unless directly threaten by them) seem logical.

Zequing invited us.

Ergo, when we reach her abode, we are her guest.

Ergo, attacking us is attacking her guest.

At that point, hospitality rules trump Sect rules and she is free to do wharever she thinks fit.

Hell, it's exactly the same plan Xiulan suggested back in growing pains, and she knows her shit.
 
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On the other hand, it seems obvious that spirits living on the Sect's Mountain are forced to follow the Sects rules, specially high tier ones. Having one that forbits spirits from harming disciples (unless directly threaten by them) seem logical.

Given that Zeqing put us into a very dangerous situation would indicate they at least have a lot of leeway, i think like stealing from spiders getting into a Yuki Onna territory without a way to get out is filed under Darwin awards.
 
[x] ...Stay and fight. If she wants a duel she can have one. You aren't weak anymore.

Sun Lilling knows that we are a master escape artist and she's not stupid. The plan to run basically required that we assume she's stupid and hasn't planned for the possibility.

Plans that require the enemy to be foolish are bad plans. The fight is a long shot, but I don't see her not having instant counters (her spirit, special hunting arts, gear) that allow her to pin us and force a fight with us at even more of a disadvantage.
 
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