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Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

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Arkeus said:
Even in a straight line I am not sure. Ling Qi's utterly disgusting at speed.
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Is she strong enough to outrun a Green who's specced towards pursuit though? Because she has to know that this is the move we're most likely to make.

And the speed of a Green using Green level arts is probably beyond what even our stack can do.

I suspect this is a hopeless boss fight right here, but we're a lot less likely to get murked instantly if we don't go and waste actions running. If we can make her Lost, we can buy a good chunk of time to get distance. But we won't be able to do that if we bolt.
 
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I can sort of see the logic in fighting. Sun Liling respects people who fight, so she might do nothing more than take the dress if we fight and lose. If we run and get caught, she might be pissed and take everything.
We might also get a combat/stress based epiphany from fighting, along with a power up dream sequence while recuperating.

I'm still going to vote to run, because we have a chance this way of getting through unscathed.

[X] Bound up the cliffs, heading for the black pool. Zeqing will be waiting, and Sun Liling is no match for her. It's a long run though.
 
Anyway, relevant to discussion from earlier:
Arkeus
@yrsillar So, clarification because I suck at being sure on how to read stuff.
AC passive +2 to dice works on flute right?
Yrsillar
yeah, for the music attacks
not fvm techs
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Thor's Twin said:
Running towards the mountain is a risk, as there is no guarantee that Zeqing will help us or that she will be pleased we relied on her to help us. Her morality and goals are skewed from a normal person and we just don't know enough about her to make a good judgment.
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I wouldn't mind if she gets annoyed at us for bringing a fight to her home, as long as she gets annoyed at BOTH of us and decides to teach us both a lesson, ot to throw one of her lethal tests at us. Either way our battle gets stopped.

So I vote for:
[X] Bound up the cliffs, heading for the black pool. Zeqing will be waiting, and Sun Liling is no match for her. It's a long run though.

BTW, do we have those qi cards with Formless Shape on us? We might need to spam them in order to keep that one perfect defence during a long run.
Another thing that might help us are those trick net arrows. They might take Liling by surprise and delay her.

Whatever happens, after this we are going to have to find Yan Renshu and have a little talk with him about narcing on our movements.
 
[X] Bound up the cliffs, heading for the black pool. Zeqing will be waiting, and Sun Liling is no match for her. It's a long run though.

Let's not lose our super-awesome dress, thank you.
 
[X] Bound up the cliffs, heading for the black pool. Zeqing will be waiting, and Sun Liling is no match for her. It's a long run though.

We are a good workout for Sun Liling, but no more.
 
[X] ...Stay and fight. If she wants a duel she can have one. You aren't weak anymore.

Uncertain. If only I could see the future...
 
Thor's Twin said:
Running towards the mountain is a risk, as there is no guarantee that Zeqing will help us or that she will be pleased we relied on her to help us. Her morality and goals are skewed from a normal person and we just don't know enough about her to make a good judgment.
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Actually, I think Zequing will do something much worse: turn it into a training exercise. After all, one logical progression of FVM is "and you are being hunted"

One thing I am concerned about is that Sun Liling will take not fighting to mean that she should no longer challenge us and should instead just ambush us.

Also that she's not stupid and has probably erected traps like the last time her faction ambushed us.

Anyway, it appears we've punched up enough that it doesn't count as punching down to attack us. Which also means its time to start being concerned about people getting spirit quests aimed at us
 
Alectai said:
Is she strong enough to outrun a Green who's specced towards pursuit though? Because she has to know that this is the move we're most likely to make.

And the speed of a Green using Green level arts is probably beyond what even our stack can do.

I suspect this is a hopeless boss fight right here, but we're a lot less likely to get murked instantly if we don't go and waste actions running. If we can make her Lost, we can buy a good chunk of time to get distance. But we won't be able to do that if we bolt.
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Well, @yrsillar did say that the 'running' option would have Ling Qi open by FVM+stealth before running, in the hope Liling get caught in the mist for even one turn.
 
Alectai said:
Is she strong enough to outrun a Green who's specced towards pursuit though? Because she has to know that this is the move we're most likely to make.

And the speed of a Green using Green level arts is probably beyond what even our stack can do.

I suspect this is a hopeless boss fight right here, but we're a lot less likely to get murked instantly if we don't go and waste actions running. If we can make her Lost, we can buy a good chunk of time to get distance. But we won't be able to do that if we bolt.
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She's still going to be better at smashing us than chasing comparatively.

She's a peer to Meizhen in straight combat. If anyone thinks we have a chance at doing anything to her (ha ha ha), then sure let's fight.

[X] Bound up the cliffs, heading for the black pool. Zeqing will be waiting, and Sun Liling is no match for her. It's a long run though.
 
Better running that fighting someone that will easily kick our ass, she may be faster than us using arts.
But in a fight she probably doesn't even have to try, we have already lost.

Voting staying and fighting is either giving up or for people that don't realize how strong is she...
 
[X] Bound up the cliffs, heading for the black pool. Zeqing will be waiting, and Sun Liling is no match for her. It's a long run though.

Even if we can't rely on Zeqing, we'll have a better chance of getting away if we go the unexpected way into an environment that we have advantages in. No way we're beating her in a straight fight.
 
Arkeus said:
Well, @yrsillar did say that the 'running' option would have Ling Qi open by FVM+stealth before running, in the hope Liling get caught in the mist for even one turn.
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Yeah, but that just gets us wrecked when she goes "Yeah, this isn't enough of a penalty" and novas us.

To successfully retreat from her, we need to buy time. The only technique we have that can do that is the one that makes her incapable of interacting with us until she can beat us in a stealth roll-off. Which has a small chance of being something we can actually win.
 
mastigos said:
Also that she's not stupid and has probably erected traps like the last time her faction ambushed us.
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Note the options say "Take a dive off the cliff and head for the safety of your allies. You can't honestly believe that Sun Liling doesn't have some countermeasures for this though."

Meaning that her preparation for us running is probably focused on us going back to our allies, rather than further up the mountain into the wilderness, and away from (as far as she knows) any allies who could help us. I don't think she knows about Zeqing. Text for Zeqing option suggests no Sun traps in that direction, just a long run.
 
Alectai said:
The only technique we have that can do that is the one that makes her incapable of interacting with us until she can beat us in a stealth roll-off. Which has a small chance of being something we can actually win.
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No. You read that wrong. That tech doesn't hide us from her, it just hides her from any allies she has. Which since she can easily beat us all by herself, it's not a problem.
 
... Shit.

Yeah, we're well and truly fucked here. Especially since I'm worried if we run up to Zeqing, we find Hanyi's there and she gets wrecked by Sun Liling as collateral.

Like, I can't help but feel here that every choice we pick here leads to some kind of horrible consequence.
 
Thor's Twin said:
All in all, I don't think that there are any good choices to be made.
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I dunno, there was a good choice last week whether we'd cut our losses or go in and force her to react.
She's been forced, and thus reacted.

Klaus said:
My problem with "try to fight a bit and then run if it doesn't work" is that the vote doesn't say that, it says "fight". I would want confirmation from the GM before assuming that an option will work that way.
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If we fight, Sun is not an opponent we can abort out of a fight once stuck in. We have a chance before we engaged.

Run or fight. The power gap is too large to survive doing both.
 
Sun Liling had to get Yan Renshu to find us, rather than having someone stake out the route to Zeqing even though we habitually take this route every two weeks. Therefore she probably doesn't know that Zeqing exists or is friendly to us. She may be prepared for us to run "back to safety", but she won't expect us to run deeper into the mountains and won't feel as much need to catch us immediately instead of harrying us since she thinks we're just running further from help.
 
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