Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

[X] Plan Grinning Moon
[X] [Moon] Grinning Moon
[X] [Companion] Bai Meizhen

Why no love for Bloody Moon? It's Grinning's sister, the patron of Things Done In The Dark.
 
well I freakin' lied, I got called away from FoD for some truly pointless crap

But anyway.
Oi! Someone with an AM plan needs to change it to the new format so I have something to vote for.
I am on the fence with AM vs TRF, any good reason for either or?
So, huh, personally the reason I am voting for TRF is partly because there is no AM plan yet with new format, partly because I think both are equally useful and we can't have either in one action unless we get extremely lucky, but mostly because Tricholysis made it as a Grinning Moon plan with Gu Xiulan earlier on and as long as there isn't a plan I consider flat out superior I don't mind having some loyalty there.
I'm not attached to TRF, so I could switch to AM, but I do think that when under pressure it's better to 'backload' work and keep up with things rather than solely chasing the lowest-hanging fruit unless the fruit actively makes you taller so you can reach higher fruit or whatever. Especially since 2 actions really is very low fruit already, and AM won't be finished this week anyway, I don't see what benefit it gives and preferred TRF in my design.

Is there some compelling reason for AM to be this week rather than next? If there is (assuming there aren't gobs of people voting Flame because of TRF), then I don't mind swapping to AM. But otherwise I'm gonna stick to TRF.
 
[X] Plan Grinning Moon
[X] [Moon] Grinning Moon
[X] [Companion] Bai Meizhen

Why no love for Bloody Moon? It's Grinning's sister, the patron of Things Done In The Dark.

I love 'er alright, I just think it'll be hard convincing the players to give her any love if it's already contentious to pick the spirit for a patron that we owe everything to.
 
We might need a second action next week to get AM3, and I think it is the most valuable benefit we could get for the Trial.
Oh, what the hell, it's at 15/60. From the way you lot were talking about it I thought it'd be closer than that. I mean, Art history says that AM2 was learned week 21, right? We just finished Week 25. So it should be 20/60, and it'll be 25/60 next week? But that's still 35 successes away, and we roll...Talent 6, RSS 5, YSS 25, Meizhen 5, Spine 4, Location 8, Pills 6-12? So 25+28+6 to 12=59 to 65, with 30 to 33 expected successes, discounting reroll 1s as a hedge for bad luck? Hm...definitely a slight gamble to count on it being one action, with, like, 45% chance of 'winning' the gamble.

Yeah, I can switch TRF to AM, then, unless any of the voters object. If they do then I'll keep it TRF, but I think it should be fine. How should I change the pills? The full all-four-Mountain-and-Lake pills?
 
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Oh, what the hell, it's at 15/60. From the way you lot were talking about it I thought it'd be closer than that. I mean, Art history says that AM2 was learned week 21, right? We just finished Week 25. So it should be 20/60, and it'll be 25/60 next week? But that's still 35 successes away, and we roll...Talent 6, RSS 5, YSS 25, Meizhen 5, Spine 4, Location 8, Pills 6-12? So 25+28+6 to 12=59 to 65, with 30 to 33 expected successes, discounting reroll 1s as a hedge for bad luck? Hm...definitely a slight gamble to count on it being one action, with, like, 45% chance of 'winning' the gamble.

Yeah, I can switch TRF to AM, then, unless any of the voters object. If they do then I'll keep it TRF, but I think it should be fine. How should I change the pills? The full all-four-Mountain-and-Lake pills?
It's not a sure thing at all, it's Talent 6+ Stone 30 + Pills 12+ Spine 4 + Meizhen 5 + Location 5, so 62 dice... which brings it to a 34 average success. However, I would hazard two things: first first, we don't need AM3 for the trial. Second, and more importantly, If we are trying to get things earlier, getting TRF this week means having a good chance of getting TRF2/SCS4/AM3 next week, while getting AM this week means that it would be impossible to get TRF2 next week.

So it's trading making AM3 'sure' instead of plausible by making TRF2 impossible.
 
I mean, I'm not firm on it. I'll probably flip-flop on TRF or AM based on whoever talked to me last.

e-Actually, you know what, I'll bet that we can get AM3 and TRF2 if I stay the course on TRF. Yeah, I'll gamble. It's probably fine. Probably. I hope.
 
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I mean, I'm not firm on it. I'll probably flip-flop on TRF or AM based on whoever talked to me last.

e-Actually, you know what, I'll bet that we can get AM3 and TRF2 if I stay the course on TRF. Yeah, I'll gamble. It's probably fine. Probably. I hope.

AM3 is actually 20. It hasn't been updated yet.

Which means it'll be 25 before our dice roll. 35 successes is within our strike zone given the amount of dice we can throw at it. Even if we don't pull it off though, it'll be close enough that it'll likely level up again on its own.
 
AM3 is actually 20. It hasn't been updated yet.

Which means it'll be 25 before our dice roll. 35 successes is within our strike zone given the amount of dice we can throw at it. Even if we don't pull it off though, it'll be close enough that it'll likely level up again on its own.
I mean, I'm not firm on it. I'll probably flip-flop on TRF or AM based on whoever talked to me last.

e-Actually, you know what, I'll bet that we can get AM3 and TRF2 if I stay the course on TRF. Yeah, I'll gamble. It's probably fine. Probably. I hope.
Oh right, yeah- it's 35 at the end of this week, depending on whether we do the Trial after the training happen this week or not. So, huh, unless we have really bad rolls it should be there next week (week 27) in one action.

I was confused for a second, while it will be 25/60 beginning of next week, it will be 30/60 at the end, so only 30 needed yeah.
 
Second, and more importantly, If we are trying to get things earlier, getting TRF this week means having a good chance of getting TRF2/SCS4/AM3 next week, while getting AM this week means that it would be impossible to get TRF2 next week.

So it's trading making AM3 'sure' instead of plausible by making TRF2 impossible.
Except there is no way we will have time for two actions next turn.

We have too many minor actions built up to do closed-door cultivation, SCS and FVM take up an action each, and the trial itself should take an action - so unless Zhengui completely matures this week AND we finish the moon quest this turn AND nothing else urgent pops up, we aren't going to have time for all that.
 
[X] Plan Grinning Flame
[X] [Moon] Grinning Moon
[X] [Companion] Bai Meizhen

Double the Meizhen, double the fun!
Adhoc vote count started by Grigori on Aug 30, 2017 at 6:52 PM, finished with 29210 posts and 27 votes.

  • [X] [Moon] Grinning Moon
    [X] Plan Grinning Flame
    -[X] Use from inventory: 3 RSS, 1 YSS
    -[X] Buy and use: Gushing Spring Pill, Flowing Rivers Pill, both unknown Wood Pills
    -[X] Spend some stones to stock up on restoratives. You never know when they will come in handy, and it is better to have but not need than to need but not have.
    -[X] Train at the vent
    --[X] SCS
    --[X] Visit Li Suyin and Su Ling to talk to them about moving back into the residential area. There are a number of free homes now
    -[X] Spend time taking care of and raising Zhengui
    -[X] Seek out Hanyi's Mother, you have improved your melody after all
    -[x] Train with Meizhen
    --[X] TRF
    -[X] Select and begin a Moon Phase task
    -[X] Cai Renxiang has requested that you meet her over tea. It seems she has something to discuss
    --[x] Speak with Meizhen, things are slowly normalizing between you, perhaps she and Cui might give you a few tips about Zhengui?
    -[X] Talk to one of your friends about participating in the trial you have discovered
    [X] Plan Grinning Moon
    -[X] Use from inventory: 3 RSS, 1 YSS
    -[X] Buy and use: Gushing Spring Pill, Flowing Rivers Pill
    -[X] Spend some stones to stock up on restoratives. You never know when they will come in handy, and it is better to have but not need than to need but not have.
    -[X] Train at the vent
    --[X] SCS
    -[X] Talk to one of your friends about participating in the trial you have discovered
    --[X] Meizhen
    -[X] Spend time taking care of and raising Zhengui
    -[X] Seek out Hanyi's Mother, you have improved your melody after all
    -[X] Select and begin a Moon Phase task
    -[X] Train on your own
    --[X] AM
    -[X] Cai Renxiang has requested that you meet her over tea. It seems she has something to discuss
    --[X] Visit Li Suyin and Su Ling to talk to them about moving back into the residential area. There are a number of free homes now
    -[X] See how Xuan Shi is doing, he suffered a defeat in the chaos.
    [X] Plan Gearing Up to Gear Up.
    -[X] Use from inventory: 3 RSS, 1 YSS
    -[X] Buy and use: Gushing Spring Pill, Flowing Rivers Pill
    -[X] Spend some stones to stock up on restoratives. You never know when they will come in handy, and it is better to have but not need than to need but not have.
    -[X] Major Actions
    -[X] Spend time taking care of and raising Zhengui
    -[X] Seek out Hanyi's Mother, you have improved your melody after all
    -[X] Train at the vent
    --[x] Argent Mirror
    -[x] Train with Meizhen
    --[x] Sable Crescent Step
    --[x] Speak with Meizhen, things are slowly normalizing between you, perhaps she and Cui might give you a few tips about Zhengui?
    -[X] Select and begin a Moon Phase task
    --[x]New Moon
    -[X] Minor Actions
    -[x] Talk to Gu Xiulan about participating in the trial you have discovered
    -[X] Cai Renxiang has requested that you meet her over tea. It seems she has something to discuss
    --[X] Visit Li Suyin and Su Ling to talk to them about moving back into the residential area. There are a number of free homes now
    [X] [Companion] Bai Meizhen
    [X] [Companion] Gu Xiulan
    [X] [Companion] Gu Xiulian
    [x] Plan Primalshadow's Omniplan.
    -[X] Use from inventory: 3 RSS, 1 YSS
    -[X] Buy and use: Gushing Spring Pill, Flowing Rivers Pill
    -[X] Spend some stones to stock up on restoratives. You never know when they will come in handy, and it is better to have but not need than to need but not have.
    -[X] Spend time taking care of and raising Zhengui
    -[X] Seek out Hanyi's Mother, you have improved your melody after all
    -[X] Train at the vent
    --[x] Argent Mirror
    -[x] Train with Meizhen
    --[x] Sable Crescent Step
    --[x] Speak with Meizhen, things are slowly normalizing between you, perhaps she and Cui might give you a few tips about Zhengui?
    -[X] Select and begin a Moon Phase task
    --[x] See [Moon] Task vote.
    -[X] Cai Renxiang has requested that you meet her over tea. It seems she has something to discuss
    --[X] Visit Li Suyin and Su Ling to talk to them about moving back into the residential area. There are a number of free homes now
    -[x] Talk to to one of your friends about participating in the trial you have discovered
 
[X] Plan Grinning Flame
[X] [Moon] Grinning Moon
[X] [Companion] Gu Xiulan

Hey, I thought Bai Meizhen would have had a huge lead by now, but she's actually losing, I'm surprised.

This is the plan with TRF, so I'm voting for it; there aren't many differences in the plans otherwise.
 
[X] Plan Gearing Up to Gear Up.
-[x] Use from inventory: 3 RSS, 1 YSS
-[x] Buy and use: Gushing Spring Pill, Flowing Rivers Pill
-[x] Spend some stones to stock up on restoratives. You never know when they will come in handy, and it is better to have but not need than to need but not have.
-[X] Major Actions
-[x] Spend time taking care of and raising Zhengui
-[x] Seek out Hanyi's Mother, you have improved your melody after all
-[x] Train at the vent
--[x] Argent Mirror
-[x] Train with Meizhen
--[x] Sable Crescent Step
--[x] Speak with Meizhen, things are slowly normalizing between you, perhaps she and Cui might give you a few tips about Zhengui?
-[x] Select and begin a Moon Phase task
--[x]New Moon
-[X] Minor Actions
-[x] Talk to Gu Xiulan about participating in the trial you have discovered
-[x] Cai Renxiang has requested that you meet her over tea. It seems she has something to discuss
-[x] Visit Li Suyin and Su Ling to talk to them about moving back into the residential area. There are a number of free homes now

I like this plan. I wish there was room to hang out with xuan shi or Han Jian, but you can't have everything
 
[X] Plan Grinning Flame
[X] [Moon] Grinning Moon
[X] [Companion] Gu Xiulan

Hey, I thought Bai Meizhen would have had a huge lead by now, but she's actually losing, I'm surprised.

This is the plan with TRF, so I'm voting for it; there aren't many differences in the plans otherwise.
I actually can't decipher the vote. Some people are using task voting for companion and moon, and some aren't. And a few of hte major plans have the tasks in them, so that people voting for a plan and tasks are contradicting themselves.
 
I actually can't decipher the vote. Some people are using task voting for companion and moon, and some aren't. And a few of hte major plans have the tasks in them, so that people voting for a plan and tasks are contradicting themselves.
With block voting the task/companion appears separated from the plan votes. The goal is so that as all the plans have the trial minor and the moon quest major, voting for the plans are about their other actions, while the task/companion votes are so that people can vote for those without it being about the plans.

As we have tried to do this after some of the plans were made not all plans follow this formatting, but the hope is that @yrsillar will just choose the actions of the winning and then apply the quest/companion depending on those votes.
Adhoc vote count started by Arkeus on Aug 30, 2017 at 7:22 PM, finished with 29214 posts and 29 votes.

  • [X] [Moon] Grinning Moon
    [X] Plan Grinning Flame
    -[X] Use from inventory: 3 RSS, 1 YSS
    -[X] Buy and use: Gushing Spring Pill, Flowing Rivers Pill, both unknown Wood Pills
    -[X] Spend some stones to stock up on restoratives. You never know when they will come in handy, and it is better to have but not need than to need but not have.
    -[X] Train at the vent
    --[X] SCS
    --[X] Visit Li Suyin and Su Ling to talk to them about moving back into the residential area. There are a number of free homes now
    -[X] Spend time taking care of and raising Zhengui
    -[X] Seek out Hanyi's Mother, you have improved your melody after all
    -[x] Train with Meizhen
    --[X] TRF
    -[X] Select and begin a Moon Phase task
    -[X] Cai Renxiang has requested that you meet her over tea. It seems she has something to discuss
    --[x] Speak with Meizhen, things are slowly normalizing between you, perhaps she and Cui might give you a few tips about Zhengui?
    -[X] Talk to one of your friends about participating in the trial you have discovered
    [X] Plan Grinning Moon
    -[X] Use from inventory: 3 RSS, 1 YSS
    -[X] Buy and use: Gushing Spring Pill, Flowing Rivers Pill
    -[X] Spend some stones to stock up on restoratives. You never know when they will come in handy, and it is better to have but not need than to need but not have.
    -[X] Train at the vent
    --[X] SCS
    -[X] Talk to one of your friends about participating in the trial you have discovered
    --[X] Meizhen
    -[X] Spend time taking care of and raising Zhengui
    -[X] Seek out Hanyi's Mother, you have improved your melody after all
    -[X] Select and begin a Moon Phase task
    -[X] Train on your own
    --[X] AM
    -[X] Cai Renxiang has requested that you meet her over tea. It seems she has something to discuss
    --[X] Visit Li Suyin and Su Ling to talk to them about moving back into the residential area. There are a number of free homes now
    -[X] See how Xuan Shi is doing, he suffered a defeat in the chaos.
    [X] Plan Gearing Up to Gear Up.
    -[X] Use from inventory: 3 RSS, 1 YSS
    -[X] Buy and use: Gushing Spring Pill, Flowing Rivers Pill
    -[X] Spend some stones to stock up on restoratives. You never know when they will come in handy, and it is better to have but not need than to need but not have.
    -[X] Major Actions
    -[X] Spend time taking care of and raising Zhengui
    -[X] Seek out Hanyi's Mother, you have improved your melody after all
    -[X] Train at the vent
    --[x] Argent Mirror
    -[x] Train with Meizhen
    --[x] Sable Crescent Step
    --[x] Speak with Meizhen, things are slowly normalizing between you, perhaps she and Cui might give you a few tips about Zhengui?
    -[X] Select and begin a Moon Phase task
    --[x]New Moon
    -[X] Minor Actions
    -[x] Talk to Gu Xiulan about participating in the trial you have discovered
    -[X] Cai Renxiang has requested that you meet her over tea. It seems she has something to discuss
    --[X] Visit Li Suyin and Su Ling to talk to them about moving back into the residential area. There are a number of free homes now
    [X] [Companion] Gu Xiulan
    [X] [Companion] Bai Meizhen
    [x] Plan Primalshadow's Omniplan.
    -[X] Use from inventory: 3 RSS, 1 YSS
    -[X] Buy and use: Gushing Spring Pill, Flowing Rivers Pill
    -[X] Spend some stones to stock up on restoratives. You never know when they will come in handy, and it is better to have but not need than to need but not have.
    -[X] Spend time taking care of and raising Zhengui
    -[X] Seek out Hanyi's Mother, you have improved your melody after all
    -[X] Train at the vent
    --[x] Argent Mirror
    -[x] Train with Meizhen
    --[x] Sable Crescent Step
    --[x] Speak with Meizhen, things are slowly normalizing between you, perhaps she and Cui might give you a few tips about Zhengui?
    -[X] Select and begin a Moon Phase task
    --[x] See [Moon] Task vote.
    -[X] Cai Renxiang has requested that you meet her over tea. It seems she has something to discuss
    --[X] Visit Li Suyin and Su Ling to talk to them about moving back into the residential area. There are a number of free homes now
    -[x] Talk to to one of your friends about participating in the trial you have discovered
    [X] [Companion] Gu Xiulian
 
[x] [Plan] Plan Gearing Up to Gear Up.
[x] [Companion] Bai Meizhen
[x] Moon: Grinning
 
Yeah, we shouldn't have tried to switch to task voting without a reset from @yrsillar. It's just confused people, with some task voting and some not, turning things into confused messed blocks. The only thing really clear is most people prefer Grinning Moon, and Meizhen.
 
The only thing really clear is most people prefer Grinning Moon, and Meizhen.

Actually, she's losing if we count your plan. Some people have essentially voted twice thanks to the tasks, and that is inflating the numbers. If we count only the task, she is losing by 2 votes. If we count the plans, by more.
 
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