Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

First, as arts get more and more success expensive to level up, 'dipping' is completely legitmate.
There is some truth to this, in that it makes sense to "dip" for miscellaneous abilities that don't compete with our current abilities for actions (e.g. a "hide" action enhancer, something that lets us set traps out of combat, something that can be used to boost rolls out of combat, etc). However, this is a narrow restriction; you are unlikely to find it just by asking for arts by element.

There is also some truth to this, in that it makes sense to "dip" for arts that give passive bonuses we find useful. However, once again, that does require some more narrow restrictions than just picking the elements.

And most importantly. There is some truth to this, but do note the qualifier: "as arts get more and more success expensive". Dipping to get a cheap art requires at least 2 actions, probably 3; 1-2 for the meridians and another action for training. If we can get an upgrade to one of our current arts for 2-3 actions, that strikes me as a strictly superior strategy most of the time - and we currently can upgrade our arts for 2-3 actions. Once that stops being the case, I wouldn't object to picking up more arts, but we've still got at least a couple of turns until we can get through the current, not-too-expensive level of the arts we have.

Second, I suspect that part of bonding with our spirits and developing a closer relationship with them is developing arts that synergize with them. If so, the longer we wait the more wasteful it will be. So I consider any plan that isn't picking up an art to work with our new companion a bit wasteful.
We've seen absolutely no evidence of this. That said, if it is something you are worried about, a FAR better action would be to take Elder Ying tutoring, since she could actually advise us regarding this (and probably suggest an art) if it was actually the case. In fact, I would push for taking such an action next week (once we've had a week to hang out with our spirit on our own).

Third, first floor arts are fine. People keep forgetting this and they really shouldn't. They grow and upgrade to second floor arts after a while, which grow and upgrade to third. I want the second floor for Zephyr's Breath Upgrade arts, not to start a new art.
Maybe. If so, is there any benefit to higher-floor arts at all, at least before you need to get them to upgrade your 1st floor art? I would find it somewhat strange if this was the case, though I don't discount the possibility.
 
[X] Plan Focus on fundamentals

Having trouble deciding between this and []Plan Adoratortoise needs hugs badly. I like getting a new art, especially the possibility of a fire based music art to fit with our interests and new spirit beast. On the other hand advancing our spiritual cultivation is important and it gives us another 5 successes towards Argent mirror, which is still useful. I'll go with fundamentals for now.

Still not sure on a name though.
 
Maybe. If so, is there any benefit to higher-floor arts at all, at least before you need to get them to upgrade your 1st floor art? I would find it somewhat strange if this was the case, though I don't discount the possibility.

They start out stronger. If we want something, but don't think it's going to be a major thing we keep investing in long term it would make sense to start higher. Taking a art all the way from the first floor to the third will take a long time.
 
Oh by the way I think we should find spirit strawberries so we can enact this funny picture.

 
At this point in time, I'm going to vote for

[X] Plan Back to the Basics

As for the name, I'm good with

[X] [name] Zhengui

I like "Back to the Basics" more than Plan Foundations simply for the Xuan Shi action. He might be helpful for determining the question we are trying to answer, but I feel that he will be extremely biased towards his own phase that he supports. I would like to have the Shaman bag opened, but keeping up with our SL is still extremely important, especially if they want to talk to us. This week has been hard for us, but we have to accept it and move forward, enjoying the time we can spend with our friends while giving Meizhen some space to breathe a little and come to terms with what she has done. The friendship isn't gone, and I think that if we recover from this the friendship will be even stronger than before.

As for the actual actions, I feel that we need to research EPC, work on Spiritual, and spend time raising our tortoise. Leaving two actions for arts is perfectly fine with me. It will be a slow week for cultivation, due to the lack of drugs, but spending time with our friends to get over this week while also preparing for getting more income jobs as well as getting used to working with our tortoise is going to be important.
 
Tally
Adhoc vote count started by Waffle on Jul 24, 2017 at 2:31 PM, finished with 26252 posts and 17 votes.

  • [X] Plan Back to the Basics
    -[X] Use from inventory: 2 RSS, 1 YSS
    -[X] Buy and use: Soul Concentrating Elixir (8) + Flowing Rivers Pill (6) + Gushing Spring Pill (2) (16 RSS)
    -[X] Direct overflow to Qi
    --[X] Spend time researching and rearing your new spirit.
    --[X] Visit the Archive
    ---[X] Research the moon element and the phase spirits(counts as cultivation of EPC)
    --[X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    ---[X] Han Jian seems to be planning something, perhaps you can see if you can help?
    ---[X] FVM
    -[X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    ---[X] Spiritual
    --[X] Train with Bai Meizhen
    --[X] SCS
    ---[X] Gu Xiulan seems awfully smug about something, and has dropped hints that she wants to go out together, indulge her.
    ---[X] Cai Renxiang has put out notice for a proper second meeting to discuss the future
    -[X] Continue swinging by the medicine hall to have lunch with Li Suyin, you'd like to make sure she's still doing well
    [X] Plan Focus on Fundamentals
    -[X] Use from inventory: 2 RSS, 1 YSS
    -[X] Buy and use: Soul Concentrating Elixir + Flowing Rivers Pill + Gushing Spring Pill + Clear Wind Pill + Bright Sky Pill + Soaring Spirits Pill (26 RSS)
    -[X] Direct overflow to Qi
    --[X] Spend time researching and rearing your new spirit.
    --[X] Visit the Archive
    ---[X] Research the moon element and the phase spirits(counts as cultivation of EPC)
    ----[X] Continue getting to know Xuan Shi, he was a helpful and reasonable sort
    --[X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    ---[X] FVM
    -[X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    ---[X] Spiritual
    --[X] Train with Bai Meizhen
    --[X] FSA
    ---[X] Gu Xiulan seems awfully smug about something, and has dropped hints that she wants to go out together, indulge her.
    ---[X] Han Jian seems to be planning something, perhaps you can see if you can help?
    ---[X] Cai Renxiang has put out notice for a proper second meeting to discuss the future
    [X] [name] Zhengui
    [X][Name] Ling Wu
    [X] Babytortoise Must Grow Larger!
    [X] Plan Adoratortoise needs hugs badly
    -[X] Use 2 Red Spirit stones, 1 Yellow Spirit Stone
    -[X] Buy and use Gushing Spring Pill (2 Red Spirit Stones), Soul Concentrating Elixir (8 Red Spirit Stones), Flowing Rivers Pill (6 Red Spirit Stones)
    -[X] Major Actions
    --[X] Visit the Archive
    ---[X] Research the moon element and the phase spirits(counts as cultivation of EPC)
    ----[X] Continue getting to know Xuan Shi, he was a helpful and reasonable sort
    ---[X] Search for a technique
    ----[X] Ideally fire-(Moon/Heaven/Sun) or wood-(Moon/Heaven/Sun). Just fire or wood is fine though.
    --[X] Train with Bai Meizhen
    ---[X] Spiritual
    --[X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    ---[X] FVM
    --[X] Spend time researching and rearing your new spirit.
    -[X] Minor Actions
    ---[X] Gu Xiulan seems awfully smug about something, and has dropped hints that she wants to go out together, indulge her.
    ---[X] Han Jian seems to be planning something, perhaps you can see if you can help?
    ---[X] Cai Renxiang has put out notice for a proper second meeting to discuss the future
    [X] Babytortoise Must Grow Larger!
    --[X] Spend time researching and rearing your new spirit.
    -[X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    ---[X] Spiritual
    --[X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    ---[X] FVM
    ---[X] Han Jian seems to be planning something, perhaps you can see if you can help?
    --[X] Visit the Archive
    ---[X] Research the moon element and the phase spirits(counts as cultivation of EPC)
    -[X] Take a job
    --[X] Acquire Reagents:
    ---[X] Gu Xiulan seems awfully smug about something, and has dropped hints that she wants to go out together, indulge her.
    -[X] Speak with Gan Guangli, it can't hurt to get to know him better, and you can see how things are going for Cai's group
    ---[X] Cai Renxiang has put out notice for a proper second meeting to discuss the future
    [X] [Name] Reliance
    [X] [name] Potato

Adhoc vote count started by Waffle on Jul 24, 2017 at 2:32 PM, finished with 26253 posts and 18 votes.

  • [X] Plan Focus on Fundamentals
    -[X] Use from inventory: 2 RSS, 1 YSS
    -[X] Buy and use: Soul Concentrating Elixir + Flowing Rivers Pill + Gushing Spring Pill + Clear Wind Pill + Bright Sky Pill + Soaring Spirits Pill (26 RSS)
    -[X] Direct overflow to Qi
    --[X] Spend time researching and rearing your new spirit.
    --[X] Visit the Archive
    ---[X] Research the moon element and the phase spirits(counts as cultivation of EPC)
    ----[X] Continue getting to know Xuan Shi, he was a helpful and reasonable sort
    --[X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    ---[X] FVM
    -[X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    ---[X] Spiritual
    --[X] Train with Bai Meizhen
    --[X] FSA
    ---[X] Gu Xiulan seems awfully smug about something, and has dropped hints that she wants to go out together, indulge her.
    ---[X] Han Jian seems to be planning something, perhaps you can see if you can help?
    ---[X] Cai Renxiang has put out notice for a proper second meeting to discuss the future
    [X] Plan Back to the Basics
    -[X] Use from inventory: 2 RSS, 1 YSS
    -[X] Buy and use: Soul Concentrating Elixir (8) + Flowing Rivers Pill (6) + Gushing Spring Pill (2) (16 RSS)
    -[X] Direct overflow to Qi
    --[X] Spend time researching and rearing your new spirit.
    --[X] Visit the Archive
    ---[X] Research the moon element and the phase spirits(counts as cultivation of EPC)
    --[X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    ---[X] Han Jian seems to be planning something, perhaps you can see if you can help?
    ---[X] FVM
    -[X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    ---[X] Spiritual
    --[X] Train with Bai Meizhen
    --[X] SCS
    ---[X] Gu Xiulan seems awfully smug about something, and has dropped hints that she wants to go out together, indulge her.
    ---[X] Cai Renxiang has put out notice for a proper second meeting to discuss the future
    -[X] Continue swinging by the medicine hall to have lunch with Li Suyin, you'd like to make sure she's still doing well
    [X] [name] Zhengui
    [X][Name] Ling Wu
    [X] Babytortoise Must Grow Larger!
    [X] Plan Adoratortoise needs hugs badly
    -[X] Use 2 Red Spirit stones, 1 Yellow Spirit Stone
    -[X] Buy and use Gushing Spring Pill (2 Red Spirit Stones), Soul Concentrating Elixir (8 Red Spirit Stones), Flowing Rivers Pill (6 Red Spirit Stones)
    -[X] Major Actions
    --[X] Visit the Archive
    ---[X] Research the moon element and the phase spirits(counts as cultivation of EPC)
    ----[X] Continue getting to know Xuan Shi, he was a helpful and reasonable sort
    ---[X] Search for a technique
    ----[X] Ideally fire-(Moon/Heaven/Sun) or wood-(Moon/Heaven/Sun). Just fire or wood is fine though.
    --[X] Train with Bai Meizhen
    ---[X] Spiritual
    --[X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    ---[X] FVM
    --[X] Spend time researching and rearing your new spirit.
    -[X] Minor Actions
    ---[X] Gu Xiulan seems awfully smug about something, and has dropped hints that she wants to go out together, indulge her.
    ---[X] Han Jian seems to be planning something, perhaps you can see if you can help?
    ---[X] Cai Renxiang has put out notice for a proper second meeting to discuss the future
    [X] Babytortoise Must Grow Larger!
    --[X] Spend time researching and rearing your new spirit.
    -[X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    ---[X] Spiritual
    --[X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    ---[X] FVM
    ---[X] Han Jian seems to be planning something, perhaps you can see if you can help?
    --[X] Visit the Archive
    ---[X] Research the moon element and the phase spirits(counts as cultivation of EPC)
    -[X] Take a job
    --[X] Acquire Reagents:
    ---[X] Gu Xiulan seems awfully smug about something, and has dropped hints that she wants to go out together, indulge her.
    -[X] Speak with Gan Guangli, it can't hurt to get to know him better, and you can see how things are going for Cai's group
    ---[X] Cai Renxiang has put out notice for a proper second meeting to discuss the future
    [X] [Name] Reliance
    [X] [name] Potato
    [X] Plan Laying the foundation
    -[X] Use from inventory: 2 RSS, 1 YSS
    -[X] Buy and use: Soul Concentrating Elixir + Flowing Rivers Pill + Gushing Spring Pill + Clear Wind Pill + Bright Sky Pill + Soaring Spirits Pill (26 RSS) Total: 38 Spirit Stones
    --[X] Spend time researching and rearing your new spirit.
    --[X] Visit the Archive
    ---[X] Research the moon element and the phase spirits(counts as cultivation of EPC)
    --[X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    --[X] FSA
    ---[X] Han Jian seems to be planning something, perhaps you can see if you can help?
    -[X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    ---[X] Spiritual
    --[X] Train with Bai Meizhen
    ---[X] FVM
    ---[X] Gu Xiulan seems awfully smug about something, and has dropped hints that she wants to go out together, indulge her.
    -[X] Speak with Gan Guangli, it can't hurt to get to know him better, and you can see how things are going for Cai's group
    ---[X] Cai Renxiang has put out notice for a proper second meeting to discuss the future
 
[X] Plan Seduce the muscle wizard
-[X] Use from inventory: 2 RSS, 1 YSS
-[X] Buy and use: Soul Concentrating Elixir + Flowing Rivers Pill + Gushing Spring Pill + Clear Wind Pill + Bright Sky Pill + Soaring Spirits Pill (26 RSS) Total: 38 Spirit Stones
--[X] Spend time researching and rearing your new spirit.
--[X] Visit the Archive
---[X] Research the moon element and the phase spirits(counts as cultivation of EPC)
--[X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
--[X] FSA
---[X] Han Jian seems to be planning something, perhaps you can see if you can help?
-[X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
---[X] Spiritual
--[X] Train with Bai Meizhen
--[X] FVM
---[X] Gu Xiulan seems awfully smug about something, and has dropped hints that she wants to go out together, indulge her.
---[X] Speak with Gan Guangli, it can't hurt to get to know him better, and you can see how things are going for Cai's group
---[X] Cai Renxiang has put out notice for a proper second meeting to discuss the future

We need more muscle wizards among our acquaintances.
Taking short term FSA over the long term SCS for a quick combat bonus. FVM will need at least 2 more actions, and as such it's profitable to continue it.

Edit: Name change before I get any votes
 
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For the name votes will they naturally include Ling as a family name or would we have to add it? I find the idea pretty adorable but does anyone else want to adopt the little Xuanwu into the family?
 
[X] Plan Focus on Fundamentals

I have to agree with Grigori here - what's the protocol for a spirit beast having our family name? Would it offend the noble types who are actually related to their spirit beasts?
 
I'd like to see if we can get a fire+wind music art for the next 1st floor archive visit.
For all the bonus, a Wind/Fire Spine/Heart support musical art. :V

More seriously, though, not sure that's what we want to get, but tempting. Too bad that Wind/Wood is very unlikely given that Wind is the Imperial system's equivalent to Wood already. Well, some of it is. With Heaven.

That does make me think, @yrsillar, whether we would actually have some of our bonus to Wind with Wood. Mmh.
 
[X] Plan Focus on Fundamentals
-[X] Use from inventory: 2 RSS, 1 YSS
-[X] Buy and use: Soul Concentrating Elixir + Flowing Rivers Pill + Gushing Spring Pill + Clear Wind Pill + Bright Sky Pill + Soaring Spirits Pill (26 RSS)
-[X] Direct overflow to Qi
Major Actions
-[X] Spend time researching and rearing your new spirit.
-[X] Visit the Archive
--[X] Research the moon element and the phase spirits(counts as cultivation of EPC)
--[X] Continue getting to know Xuan Shi, he was a helpful and reasonable sort
-[X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
--[X] FVM
-[X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
--[X] Spiritual
-[X] Train with Bai Meizhen
--[X] FSA
Minor Actions
-[X] Gu Xiulan seems awfully smug about something, and has dropped hints that she wants to go out together, indulge her.
-[X] Han Jian seems to be planning something, perhaps you can see if you can help?
-[X] Cai Renxiang has put out notice for a proper second meeting to discuss the future

This is the plan to move forward with all the things we know we need to keep doing, without getting distracted by other things. Learn what is going on with EPC, and ask for advice from someone who might give us another perspective (Xuan Shi). Advance FVM, continuing what we started last week and synergizing with Spiritual. Grab FSA3, which we can do in one turn, giving us a noticible combat boost for very little time commitment. Talk to the SLs that are asking for our time. Raise our Spirit companion.
Why have FSA with Meizhan and FVN with Han Jian? That makes no sense.
 
You know what... i would really like to just use an action slot to compose a song that explains our feelings to Meizhen.
Ling Qi will have to fully work out those feelings first. Secondly, as other people have said that could have unfortunate implications. Songwriting typically has romantic implications and that's not something Ling Qi's interested in.

I find the idea pretty adorable but does anyone else want to adopt the little Xuanwu into the family?
I find it a little weird, at least until he can talk. Another factor is that my impression is that most people that count spirit beasts as actually part of their family (rather than close friends who might be like family) are legitimately related to them.

I therefore think there could be unfortunate implications, either that we're trying to "rise above our station" (i.e. act like a scion of a noble family) or that we want to do... things with our spirit at some point (which is how a lot of families got started). Plus we know there's prejudice against spirit bloods (like Su Ling) and that prejudice could well spill over to someone adopting a spirit beast as part of their family.

Finally there's the problem of adopting him from the filial piety angle of society. In that we aren't the head of our family (I think our mother would be at present) and shouldn't adopt family members without permission. Whilst this is not something Ling Qi would care about it's something her friends might actually take issue with (see Xiulan re our mother) and gives our enemies another stick to beat us with.

TLDR: At the very least I'd like to put off a decision until he can actually talk.
 
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That does make me think, @yrsillar, whether we would actually have some of our bonus to Wind with Wood. Mmh.
Another thought is having a wind, wood, fire art later in our cultivation career (or very shortly I don't know). Having an additional 10 dice combined with 10 fewer successes would allow us to very quickly train that art compared to other arts of similar qualities. I just have no idea what it would even do. It could be a (heart, spine, leg) with fire as the heart, wood as the spine, and wind as the leg. This would give a movement buff, a regeneration buff, and either a removal of debuffs or a buff to damage to an area with our allies.

Something to think about
 
[X] Plan Back to the Basics
[X] [name] Zhengui

I like this name far more than any others offered thus far. It really hits that good-sounding/realistic-sounding sweet spot for me.

The plan I mainly prefer for it training Sable Crescent Step.
 
Why have FSA with Meizhan and FVN with Han Jian? That makes no sense.

I think because FVM dwells on darkness, so we don't want to dump more of that on Meizhen. Though my plan has us just doing spiritual with her because I want to hurry up and get spiritual out of the way so that we get another action free.
 
[X] Plan Seduce the muscle wizard
-[X] Use from inventory: 2 RSS, 1 YSS
-[X] Buy and use: Soul Concentrating Elixir + Flowing Rivers Pill + Gushing Spring Pill + Clear Wind Pill + Bright Sky Pill + Soaring Spirits Pill (26 RSS) Total: 38 Spirit Stones
--[X] Spend time researching and rearing your new spirit.
--[X] Visit the Archive
---[X] Research the moon element and the phase spirits(counts as cultivation of EPC)
--[X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
--[X] FSA
---[X] Han Jian seems to be planning something, perhaps you can see if you can help?
-[X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
---[X] Spiritual
--[X] Train with Bai Meizhen
--[X] FVM
---[X] Gu Xiulan seems awfully smug about something, and has dropped hints that she wants to go out together, indulge her.
---[X] Speak with Gan Guangli, it can't hurt to get to know him better, and you can see how things are going for Cai's group
---[X] Cai Renxiang has put out notice for a proper second meeting to discuss the future

We need more muscle wizards among our acquaintances.
Taking short term FSA over the long term SCS for a quick combat bonus. FVM will need at least 2 more actions, and as such it's profitable to continue it.

Edit: Name change before I get any votes
There are a bunch of different plans with Guangli. Which one is leading?

I'm honestly getting a bit bored with Su Ling and Li Suyin.
 
[X] Plan Back to the Basics
[X] [name] Zhengui
 
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