Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

Oh charming oblivious ling qi :V

As long as we are oblivious our fortune shall remain good , so sayeth all anime protagonist.

We're not an anime protagonist though. If anything, Bai Meizhen is and we're the plucky childhood friend character with a painful past that is either getting fridged or kidnapped soon in order to move the plot along.

Far as anime is concerned, this is all an extended flashback to show how Bai Meizhen became a one-woman crusade against the Empire. :V

(seriously tho, if my earlier speculation about darkness releasing inhibitions is true, then Ling Qi's deepest, darkest desire is to be... *drumroll* kind to her friends.

Ling Qi is such a ridiculous cinamon roll)
 
Oh, I agree that the end result was not a bad one, but I also don't want us to bumble into accidentally starting a war. Let's say the reason why Han Jian is being short with us is not because he wants to distance himself from Meizhen but because he's become associated with her through us and is now a target of Kang Zihao. If we start dragging more people into Bai Meizhen's orbit will there be a huge backlash? We might have the best of intentions, but we remain ignorant.
It was Fan Yu being short with us, though almost patient by his standards. Guy must be getting used to us being awesome, perhaps reconciling the fact that we're going to win a noble's title is calming down whatever bunch in his panties he's been so grumpy about.

Oh right! But yeah, it was Fan Yu being grumpy, not Han Jian. Han Jian was mentioned at the start of the sentence, but then Fan Yu interrupted.
 
Anyway, did you see my post in the previous page about omake and mid silver in plan hatei?
I did, but I don't really see what you want me to do about it?

So yes. Even if we can't change our load-out in an event, a variety of arts makes us vastly more powerful. This is the difference between the Tier 1 Wizard and the Tier 2 Sorcerer. People kept thinking the sorcerer would be stronger because he has more spells and sometimes can cast them more easily... but the flexibility of the Wizard means that with forewarning, he can tailor himself to perfectly overcome any challenge as if he was a specialist, while the Sorcerer was forced to always be a generalist. The Sorcerers' 'deeper' power didn't manage to match the power of the wizards breadth of ability.
Flexibility like this is only useful insofar as you have solid knowledge of the challenges you will face, and even then things are iffy if the challenge doesn't have an obvious counter.

Consider - we've got the moon challenge coming up. What do you imagine slotting that would be especially valuable? Armor & evasion? Stealth? Extra damage? I can see any of those being useful, which means precisely that the flexibility to choose between them isn't.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by Grigori on Jun 10, 2017 at 11:02 AM, finished with 14902 posts and 60 votes.

  • [X] Plan Haitei
    - [X] Resources - Bear Marrow Elixir, 3 Red Stones, Channel Cleansing Pill
    - [X] Overflow - Physical
    - [X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    -- [X] Physical
    - [X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    -- [X] Arm Meridian
    -- [X] Spend some time with Su Ling, perhaps you can learn a little bit of hunting tactics and harvesting from her
    -- [X] Share AMA with Suyin and Su Ling
    - [X] Take a Job
    -- [X] Moonfill
    - [X] Work on getting the egg to hatch
    - [X] Cultivate on your own
    -- [X] EPC
    - [X] Ask Han Jian to give you a little instruction about the politics of your situation. He seems like a more unbiased source
    - [X] Accept Cai Renxiang's invitation to tea
    - [X] Bring up the idea of training together with Meizhen. You are strong enough now, right?
    [X] Plan A Moonless Night is Full of Stars
    -[X] Resources
    --[X] 3 Red Spirit Stones, Bear Marrow Elixer, Starlight Elixir, Steady Growth Pill
    - [X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    -- [X] Physical
    - [X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    --[X] Spiritual
    --[X] Li Suyin is doing better, coax her out into studying, and talk to her about her plans. Give her your last Qi Foundation Pill.
    - [X] Take a Job
    -- [X] Moonfill
    - [X] Work on getting the egg to hatch
    - [X] Cultivate on your own
    -- [X] EPC
    - [X] Ask Han Jian to give you a little instruction about the politics of your situation. He seems like a more unbiased source
    - [X] Accept Cai Renxiang's invitation to tea
    - [X] Bring up the idea of training together with Meizhen. You are strong enough now, right?
    [X] Plan Expanding Horizons
    -[X] Three Red Stones, Bear Marrow Elixir, Channel Clearing Elixir, White Hart Elixir, Steady Growth Pill, Starlight Elixir
    -[X] Major Actions
    - [X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    -- [X] Physical
    - [X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    ---[X] Meridian (Spine)
    ---[X] Ask them if they want to do an investigation mission together. Split three ways instead of two it will be sixteen sect point for Suyin and Ling Qi, and eighteen for Su Ling for her greater hunting experience.
    - [X] Work on getting the egg to hatch
    - [X] Take a Job
    -- [X] Moonfill
    ---[X] Investigate Disappearances
    -[X] Minor Actions
    - [X] Bring up the idea of training together with Meizhen. You are strong enough now, right?
    - [X] Ask Han Jian to give you a little instruction about the politics of your situation. He seems like a more unbiased source
    - [X] Accept Cai Renxiang's invitation to tea
    [X] Plan Steady Progress
    -[X] Use 3 red stones, Bear Marrow Elixir, Channel Cleansing Pill (costs 9 red stones total)
    - [X] Take a Job
    --[X] Moonfill Mission
    - [X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    -- [X] Physical
    - [X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    -- [X] Arm Meridian
    --[X] Li Suyin is doing better, coax her out into studying, and talk to her about her plans
    - [X] Cultivate on your own
    --[X] Eight Phase Ceremony
    - [X] Work on getting the egg to hatch
    -- [X] Spend some time with Su Ling, perhaps you can learn a little bit of hunting tactics and harvesting from her
    - [X] Ask Han Jian to give you a little instruction about the politics of your situation. He seems like a more unbiased source
    - [X] Accept Cai Renxiang's invitation to tea
    [X] Fill Me With Your Moon Juice
    -[X] Items: 3 Red Stones, Bear Marrow Elixir, Clear Channel Pill
    - [X] Train by hunting with Han Jian and his group
    -- [X] Physical
    - [X] Train at the vent with Suyin and Su Ling
    --[X] Spiritual
    --[X] Offer the two of them the chance to train Argent Mirror
    - [X] Take a Job
    -- [X] Moonfill
    - [X] Cultivate on your own
    --[X]Meridian arm
    --[X] Eight Phase Ceremony
    -- [X] Spend some time with Su Ling, perhaps you can learn a little bit of hunting tactics and harvesting from her
    -[X] Ask Su Ling about how to make use of beast cores, and the value of those you have
    - [X] Accept Cai Renxiang's invitation to tea
 
After think on it for a while, I've decided to change my vote. As much as I want to do the Suyin action (especially since giving her AMA is only going to increase her self-loathing), we can probably delay the action by a week (but no more than that).

[x] Plan Haitei

Also, it's almost been a day and Haitei has a serious lead. Unless there is some major mass betrayal I doubt it will lose.
 
Given the authors mentioned that we Si Ling and Li Suyin can learn AMA, I really think an addendum should be made to the leading plans argent vent votes to share it. The art itself only needs 20 successes to learn, which should be easy enough for the both of them particularly with the automatic 5 from the vent. The abilities and passives of it is where it really shines though, as I previously considered it in the context of human opposition, but it has arguably considerably more value when facing spirit beasts given you're more likely to face them in combat and kill them, and Suyin has been noted to have been taking gathering missions and Su Ling has always been hunting.

The passives are all generally useful, but particularly the ability to detect the cultivation level of a spirit could be live saving for either of them as it can inform you whether you should run or fight it, before you've actually engaged it and realized you're out of your depth. Serene Reflection can be of considerable help given the wide variety of abilities beasts are liable to possess and it's an instant technique, and Discerning Gaze is just generally useful with the increased dice rolls. The latters ability to automatically roll to break out of a sense affecting technique is still useful to Su Ling too, given it's not restricted to just illusions.

Allowing them to learn the technique could also mean that they have it ready should TheLastOne's idea be followed up on with the investigative mission, outside of it's all around usefulness if they're both stronger.
I agree and actually think we should go further. Argent Mirror is an incredibly awesome technique even without the actives.
With the tokens taken care of Ling Qi began to focus on cultivation and training, she had broken through, but it still wasn't enough, if she slowed down now, she knew it would just make her a target, and drag Meizhen down besides. She spent much of her mornings with the pale girl, sharing the slip for the Argent Mirror technique with her and practicing the art herself. She enjoyed cultivating it, if only because her stresses and worries seemed less urgent while she was cultivating the tranquil qi of lake and mountain.

It… put things a little more in perspective she supposed. As days passed and she continued to practice, she felt more sure of herself, more confident in her growing abilities. Constant self reflection was not entirely positive though, as she found herself thinking more and more about her goals… or lack thereof. Strength and freedom were something to strive toward… but the more she thought about it, the more they seemed empty to her, when considered alone. What did she want to achieve with the strength she was gaining? Protecting the handful of people she had become close to of course, as well as surviving, but those were short term and reactionary.

What did she want to do with her life?

LIng Qi couldn't answer that question yet, but somehow, she thought that was fine. She had time now, to think and decide for herself. She would train hard at the sect, fulfill her service to the empire and figure things out along the way. She wasn't a mortal anymore, doomed to die after a mere few decades. She had time.

Just look, after only attaining the first "reflection" Ling Qi has already become calmer, more assured and self-confident, able to think about what she really wants to do with her life, able to put her worries and troubles into perspective and do some self-reflection.

I don't think it's a stretch to call this an incredibly valuable "anti-puberty" art. Just the mental effects alone are seriously useful and beneficial to a new Cultivator dealing with all those teenage hormones throwing things out of whack and their elemental arts screwing with them.

What about if we eventually offer to share or trade access to it for Han Jian and co?

Having AM would likely help Gu Xiulan deal with her Fire Qi screwing with her "passions" and help with her jealousy. It would also likely help Fan Yu to be less of an ass and help Han Jian to deal with his own issues. We could negotiate access to it in exchange for non-family arts or stones and pills or talismans or maybe even Sect Points if we wanted to.
 
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After think on it for a while, I've decided to change my vote. As much as I want to do the Suyin action (especially since giving her AMA is only going to increase her self-loathing), we can probably delay the action by a week (but no more than that).
Then the AMA is the perfect art to give her given the benefits Ling Qi has already received, in being more self-reflective of herself and what she wants.

Following on question, could we actually arrange a miniature business with it given it's permanent nature? Set up something where you pay Ling Qi XYZ stones and you'll be able to learn it; and notably we're presumably going to be visiting Cai next turn if some extra help is needed and/or authority if you tie it into an overall governance structure being created if others wish to do the same with permanent arts they possess.

The art itself certainly seems valuable enough given it does something most people don't currently have an art for outside the elites, and it's an art the sect itself specializes in given the name. Given a one off archive pass for a technique on the first floor costs 10 sect points - the equivalent of 50 red stones - it could be a notable source of income if even just a few come to learn it. With this also comes interaction with other sect members, which of itself should improve her relationship with them.
@yrsillar - is this possible with AMA? It seems like a viable enterprise, and given the thought experiment that the sect is testing the outer members about whether they can fit into society once they leave, it also seems to satisfy given it's highly likely the Imperial Government run's something like it as do other organizations such as the Sects themselves. Given the benefits that Ling Qi has already received from the art, it seems like it would be an ideal art to test it on given to a certain extent it stabilizes those who use it mentally and emotionally which is good for a cooperative society.
 
Then the AMA is the perfect art to give her given the benefits Ling Qi has already received, in being more self-reflective of herself and what she wants.


@yrsillar - is this possible with AMA? It seems like a viable enterprise, and given the thought experiment that the sect is testing the outer members about whether they can fit into society once they leave, it also seems to satisfy given it's highly likely the Imperial Government run's something like it as do other organizations such as the Sects themselves. Given the benefits that Ling Qi has already received from the art, it seems like it would be an ideal art to test it on given to a certain extent it stabilizes those who use it mentally and emotionally which is good for a cooperative society.

You can certainly try something like this. Ling Qi lacks the context to really know if its a great idea or not.
 
For the record, I think it's a bad idea. Give it to our allies then just keep it quiet and safe. Having a mountain full of people who can cleanse FVM sounds like a real pain, especially if they're serious competitors. Even if they're not, it makes each fight more risky / qi inefficient. Throwing meat in front of starving wolves (i.e. most of the Cultivators) is undoubtedly going to lead to a lot of jealous and angry cultivators with the attendant downsides.
 
Yeah, the more people who are able to counter an aspect of our build the worse off we will be. It might be helpful for a good majority of the mountain, but really the only people who Ling Qi cares about are her friends and mother. She doesn't seem to have any strong feelings for anyone else in the sect.
 
Then the AMA is the perfect art to give her given the benefits Ling Qi has already received, in being more self-reflective of herself and what she wants.


@yrsillar - is this possible with AMA? It seems like a viable enterprise, and given the thought experiment that the sect is testing the outer members about whether they can fit into society once they leave, it also seems to satisfy given it's highly likely the Imperial Government run's something like it as do other organizations such as the Sects themselves. Given the benefits that Ling Qi has already received from the art, it seems like it would be an ideal art to test it on given to a certain extent it stabilizes those who use it mentally and emotionally which is good for a cooperative society.
This seems l like the sort of thing that might be smacked down by the sect in painful ways. Even if the sect doesn't punish us directly, something this mercenary might learn us a negative reputation, both with our peers and with our elders. And in any case, it would also likely take a not-insignificant time to organize, so it would take a good number of actions to maintain.


All in all, I don't think it is worth risking. I wouldn't mind sharing it with our friends, or maybe trading it to another discipline, but that is as far as I would feel comfortable going.


Though I suppose it might be worth asking someone about this, perhaps.
 
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Sure, but we can switch back. We lose progress, so that just means if EPC is less impressive then some people think we cultivate it to 2, sending the overflow to physical/spiritual/qi, and then switch back. Keeps us from losing anything.
Better plan, we use the pills now that we still have the AS5 bonus, and that way we do not lose progress and waste actions and time switching back and forth.

Now is a great time to use those pills, later will be a poor time to use those pills. Maybe far in the future we would have an ideal time to use those pills. but it's just as likely that we would have outgrown the pills instead.

We should use the pills now, get the benefits. and continue to accelerate. Not to mention doing well has been a source of more pills
 
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