Forge of Destiny(Xianxia Quest)

We can also just think of trying to help them without the vent, I suppose. What can we do though? I'd really like to do something for Han Jian and Xiulan though considering that we had a lot of help from them, especially early on when we were new, and we haven't really repaid them for their help.

Maybe we should try to do some of the unique Sect quests together? Does doing a Sect quest with another disciple split the reward?
 
Honestly gu might appreciate being able to duel bai as bai is strong as fuck, we could have a "girls night" where everyone teams up with each other and duels so 2v2 us and su vs gu and li suyin
 
I don't like the "we don't need a cut". Bill everyone else, but this "hey, I'd like to bring some friends over, they can pay you if you want" just doesn't sound good to me.

Will probably insult the girls, too.

Besides, Backlog is trailing closely behind, and that one torpedoes the relationship with Han Jian, and Moon ain't all that far if there are many defections.


A number of people are opposes to any plan where Su Ling and Li Suyin don't get compensated for us sharing the vent on the justification that they have partial ownership, and Su Ling asked us not to share. That legitimate. If we were going to spend more actions on this, maybe we could work it out to the point where they allied and then we could share it for free...

But that's not happening. We aren't going to spend more actions of this. In three weeks, when we have another strained relationship issue come up where we have to devote an action to tread water, it will be harder to raise the votes. And then in another three weeks, and another... until we let the relationship fall apart. Right now the plan you're voting for has removed all aspect of working towards sharing the vent.

If we aren't making progress at this point, then it's coming apart. And if it's coming apart there's no reason to have the discussion with Han Jian. It's the worst of all possible worlds, your using actions and they aren't solving the problem. Better to vote for Plan Backlog, Cultivation, & Helping, since you aren't going to maintain the Han Jian relationship anyways.
 
I would really like the tokens to be investigated - ideally in cooperation with Li Suyin, actually. If I'm right, investigating would involve studying formations a bit - moreover, doing it with Li Suyin would boost her sense of "Ling Qi gets something out of our relationship" and perhaps help with the whole guilt thing.

The tokens might be a simple thing, or might be an "action chain" unlocked - but an initial action should at the least (in the latter case) give an idea of what Ling Qi might gain from further pursuit.

To be honest, I don't think I'll be voting for any plan that doesn't have it, going forward, until that action succeeds.

[X][Stat] Dexterity
[X] Plan Backlog, Cultivation, & Helping
 
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Oh, okay, this situation is actually more complicated than I thought, I didn't know we were auctioning off the argent vent site or trying to trade for it. Instead of a yes/no binary of share/don't share we have started a multiple choice answer sheet with a) share b) don't share, c) sell, d) make day passes, e) make this like an episode of Community where Abed takes over the school by being in charge of the fried chicken at the cafeteria. Don't share, I'm guessing, is winning by default because there's less vote dilution/conflict of opinion.

My view on that... I think Gu Xiulan would be more than happy with that sort of thing as it means she doesn't actually have to establish a relationship between herself and Su Ling and Li Suyin beyond a purely business one, but that - as Bai Meizhen points out - her family has regressed a bit into 'mercantilism.' Everyone else is going to find the situation moderately uncomfortable, especially when they realize that Bai Meizhen didn't have to pay anything for access to the site which makes it seem, increasingly, that we're her minion/deeply allied to her, moreso than we are allied to Han Jian and his group.

Hmmmm.

The problem with us approaching them is that we already owe them. They will see the Argent Vent as our discharging our obligation/debt towards them, and thus Su Ling and Li Suyin are non-factors and they won't have to worry about Su Ling and Li Suyin's feelings, especially if they pay them off. Am I getting warmer to what people who are afraid that Li and Su will get hurt think will happen?

Ideally, in my mind, is a situation where we don't acknowledge that this is us discharging our debt towards them, and that instead Su Ling and Li Suyin gain Han Jian's obligation and debt. He is honorable and he is rich, and he is surrounded by powerful friends (I think he probably has the most second realm cultivators that he can call up on at a moment's notice), I don't think he will skimp on repaying them somehow, in his own way.

I see, it is indeed trickier than I first thought, but then I didn't really envision this in terms of debts and obligations, but rather on what people would feel.

I have to go pick up my CT scan at the hospital, but let me ponder on this. I think we might want to set up an action this week (talking to Li Suyin) and asking her if she wants to invite Han Jian's group here or not. Not us invite them for her, but rather her inviting them.

And, if I were writing this, it'd be in exchange for something really quite interesting.

Honor.

You see, right now, Han Jian leads what is probably the largest contingent of second realm-and-soon-to-be-second-realm warriors here. He doesn't seem to like being someone in charge, he was notably quite uncomfortable during the meeting.

If Li Suyin would ask for anything, I think she'd ask that if Han Jian or his group see an injustice, that they interfere. If you see something wrong happening: ten people trying to fight two, stronger disciples picking on weaker disciples, that they intervene, like Cai Renxiang did in favor of Bai Meizhen.

There's no real way for her to enforce this. It's throwing down the gauntlet and forcing character development on both of them. Han Jian can refuse, Han Jian can accept and not do it (Su Ling would say that she wouldn't expect anything else), or Han Jian can accept and do it, and anyone else who accepts can come by the vent and cultivate.

But it's also not something that Ling Qi would find In-Character to propose to Li Suyin. It has to happen sort of... organically, I guess. EHHHHHH.

Whatever, I'm late, I gotta go!
 
She did?

I disagree there, patching things up with Han Jian before springing the Vent on him is important.

We aren't going to spring the vent on them in the future. We aren't going to keep sinking actions into this indefinitely - it's a bad use of actions and it gets costier the more often we have to do it. River's is just a vote to more slowly burn the relationship, rather then do it over the next two/three turns.
 
Well not outright. But back during the first excursion when we found that first site one of the demands she had was that we would not share it without her input. The Argent Vent was a continuation on that cooperation. So even if she did not explicit tell us to keep that place secret, the spirit of the deal has us having to ask her if we want to share it with anyone.
 
If we aren't making progress at this point, then it's coming apart. And if it's coming apart there's no reason to have the discussion with Han Jian. It's the worst of all possible worlds, your using actions and they aren't solving the problem. Better to vote for Plan Backlog, Cultivation, & Helping, since you aren't going to maintain the Han Jian relationship anyways.
It would be a shame for our friendship to breakdown but just accepting that as inevitable doesn't mean we shouldn't milk it for what it's worth until then. Might as well make use of training bonuses and knowledge until the friendship is untenable and we do still need to find out more about spirit binding
 
It would be a shame for our friendship to breakdown but just accepting that as inevitable doesn't mean we shouldn't milk it for what it's worth until then. Might as well make use of training bonuses and knowledge until the friendship is untenable and we do still need to find out more about spirit binding

The action isn't about spirit binding, it's about maintaining the relationship. If we aren't going to maintain it, then finding out what the token's doing, cultivating another art, or discharging one of our other social obligations is more valuable.
 
The action isn't about spirit binding, it's about maintaining the relationship. If we aren't going to maintain it, then finding out what the token's doing, cultivating another art, or discharging one of our other social obligations is more valuable.
The main aim may be to spend time with Jian but that doesn't mean we don't currently want to know more about spirit binding and that he is an available source of knowledge. We could admittedly ask Meizhen but we're not missing out asking him instead.
 
It's sad.

All of our friends with backgrounds in the nobility are stressed out at how fast we're getting stronger. They saw us walk in as a harmless mortal peasant and probably figured we'd wash out before long. But then we won the archive pass and hit yellow/silver with a solid foundation after just three months, and now they've realized that we're a threat, that we're competition. It's like if your house-cat suddenly grew up into a tiger. We keep trying to downplay just how strong we are, but then we do things like take the second best house, or have Cai point out that we have earned our place in the meeting of all the strongest cultivators, and now all our noble friends are re-evaluating their relationship with us.

I'd really like to save our relationship with Han Jian, but I just don't see it happening.
 
Honor.

You see, right now, Han Jian leads what is probably the largest contingent of second realm-and-soon-to-be-second-realm warriors here. He doesn't seem to like being someone in charge, he was notably quite uncomfortable during the meeting.

If Li Suyin would ask for anything, I think she'd ask that if Han Jian or his group see an injustice, that they interfere. If you see something wrong happening: ten people trying to fight two, stronger disciples picking on weaker disciples, that they intervene, like Cai Renxiang did in favor of Bai Meizhen.

There's no real way for her to enforce this. It's throwing down the gauntlet and forcing character development on both of them. Han Jian can refuse, Han Jian can accept and not do it (Su Ling would say that she wouldn't expect anything else), or Han Jian can accept and do it, and anyone else who accepts can come by the vent and cultivate.

But it's also not something that Ling Qi would find In-Character to propose to Li Suyin. It has to happen sort of... organically, I guess. EHHHHHH.

Whatever, I'm late, I gotta go!
This is basically what Ms. Shinypants just did this turn. She deputized all 2nd realm cultivators as enforcers in her budding dictatorship to keep the peace.
 
The main aim may be to spend time with Jian but that doesn't mean we don't currently want to know more about spirit binding and that he is an available source of knowledge. We could admittedly ask Meizhen but we're not missing out asking him instead.

Sure we are - we're spending effort propping up a collapsing dam we don't need AND finding out about spirits, when instead we could be maintaining ties with our closest friend AND finding out about spirits.
 
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Sure we are - we're spending effort propping up a collapsing dam we don't need AND finding out about spirits, when instead we could be maintaining ties with our closest friend AND finding out about spirits.
Well we aren't losing anything unless someone's willing to make a write-in asking Meizhen about spirit binding.:p
 
It's sad.

All of our friends with backgrounds in the nobility are stressed out at how fast we're getting stronger. They saw us walk in as a harmless mortal peasant and probably figured we'd wash out before long. But then we won the archive pass and hit yellow/silver with a solid foundation after just three months, and now they've realized that we're a threat, that we're competition. It's like if your house-cat suddenly grew up into a tiger. We keep trying to downplay just how strong we are, but then we do things like take the second best house, or have Cai point out that we have earned our place in the meeting of all the strongest cultivators, and now all our noble friends are re-evaluating their relationship with us.

I'd really like to save our relationship with Han Jian, but I just don't see it happening.

I honestly don't see why you don't see it happening. Han Jian's jealous? So what! That means it'll just take a bit of work. You don't see one spark of resistance and hang the entire relationship out to dry, you work things out. Air the laundry. Talk a bit. Rome wasn't built in a day and all that jazz.
 
It's sad.

All of our friends with backgrounds in the nobility are stressed out at how fast we're getting stronger. They saw us walk in as a harmless mortal peasant and probably figured we'd wash out before long. But then we won the archive pass and hit yellow/silver with a solid foundation after just three months, and now they've realized that we're a threat, that we're competition. It's like if your house-cat suddenly grew up into a tiger. We keep trying to downplay just how strong we are, but then we do things like take the second best house, or have Cai point out that we have earned our place in the meeting of all the strongest cultivators, and now all our noble friends are re-evaluating their relationship with us.

I'd really like to save our relationship with Han Jian, but I just don't see it happening.

It would honestly be easy. Pretty sure my plan would do exactly that. Like, it gives him a chance do something (negotiate for something of value for his teammates), that helps with one of his fears (that his cultivation is falling behind), and it discharges two of our biggest headaches (Suyin gets teachers that she now wants, Han Jian doesn't feel like he's treading water so much).

Edit: Oh, and it sets up introductions between Xiulan and Meizhen. Xiulan is networking, and she's one of the few people whose family Meizhen respects. Meizhen needs friends, but she isn't good at making them on her own.
 
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I have also been rethinking my prior indifference about sharing.

If do we want to share the vent, we should just tell Li Suyin and Su Ling what we want to do. We've done a lot for Li Suyin and have given Su Ling a valuable gift, they should be willing to share with our friends as well. If they are unwilling, we can ask what they would be willing to request from Han Jian and Xiulan for access.

Another reason I want do so is because I think Huang Da will get the bright idea to actually sell the location.
 
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If do we want to share the vent, we should just tell Li Suyin and Su Ling what we want to do. We've done a lot for Li Suyin and have given Su Ling a valuable gift, they should be willing to share with our friends as well. If they are unwilling, we can ask what they would be willing to request from Han Jian and Xiulan for access.

I have been rethinking my prior indifference about sharing, and I think we should share before Huang Da gets the bright idea to actually sell the location.

If I drop the 'sell' angle and switch to share, would you vote for my plan?
 
It would honestly be easy. Pretty sure my plan would do exactly that. Like, it gives him a chance do something (negotiate for something of value for his teammates), that helps with one of his fears (that his cultivation is falling behind), and it discharges two of our biggest headaches (Suyin gets teachers that she now wants, Han Jian doesn't feel like he's treading water so much).

[X] Plan A Cultivator is a Social Animal

This could still all go horribly wrong, but I'll give it a shot.
 
Well not outright. But back during the first excursion when we found that first site one of the demands she had was that we would not share it without her input. The Argent Vent was a continuation on that cooperation. So even if she did not explicit tell us to keep that place secret, the spirit of the deal has us having to ask her if we want to share it with anyone.
Of course I want to ask them first.

To me, the issue can be resolved by a one line subvote next week, "Ask SLs if they would like to share the Vent with Han Jian and crew, invite said crew if so." Done and over.
 
If I drop the 'sell' angle and switch to share, would you vote for my plan?
I'm also of the 'chat with Han Jian this turn, share vent next turn' mentality. Unless we get huge swings I probably won't swap to be honest.

Edit: That said, I will probably swap in a heartbeat if it does get a huge swing.
 
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I'm also of the 'chat with Han Jian this turn, share vent next turn' mentality. Unless we get huge swings I probably won't swap to be honest.

To be clear here, I'm going to try and push through and aggressive cultivating plan next week, and the week after we need to start taking sect missions and exploring the mountain more. After that, I'll vote against plans like this, because it will have been too long, and trying it will just break the relationship faster, so I see it as throwing good money after bad.
 
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