Oh I'm sure that there's going to be those as well but I think that seeing proof of other ways working to bring the less hard core members out of it.

As I understand it the objection the conservatives have to this kind of thing isn't that it doesn't work, it's that it does work and that's why it's morally wrong.

As the Craftworld Eldar are painfully aware, many of the Dark Muses were previously living Eldar who uplifted themselves to be a pantheon of minor gods*, and the Haemunculi have also produced plenty of lesser examples of serious body horror.

The Craftworld Eldar already have a working solution for the Thirst. They have the Paths. Sure they involve radical mental self-modifications, but the Ishari approach also involves arguably even more radical self-modification of a kind the conservatives are likely to find much less desirable.

After all, the Paths are usually temporary. If the Curses are lifted a person on the Path can just leave them and resume being their full self. If you haven't given into despair and lost hope, the fact that the Parhs aren't a permanent solution is an advantage, because they don't think it's a permanent problem.

If anything, our news strengthens that position, as with knowledge of the mechanism of the Curses lifting them entirely is suddenly much more possible, if still very hard. I proposed what seems like a theoretically feasible plan rhe Craftworlds could pull off if they can accumulate enough military strength that would fully validate Biel Tan's victory through superior firepower approach.

* and although they don't know it, are still worshipped by the Dark Eldar alongside Khaine because they survived the Fall and so are worthy of it.

I doubt anyone we put in our retinue is going to be in the background. The term retinue implies that they are going to be important representatives to our cause at this moot. If half or more of our representatives aren't important to the main topic at hand, that doesn't give the best of impressions

I'd expect them to be on the edges of the conference attending fringe events, not in the main room with other leaders. Because they're not leaders.
 
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I know its the most impractical thing we can physically do, but can we make the Craftworlds engines out of Starcrystals? We would have no reason to do it other than to make our Craftworld outrun some Escorts but I kind of want to do it anyways
 
I know its the most impractical thing we can physically do, but can we make the Craftworlds engines out of Starcrystals? We would have no reason to do it other than to make our Craftworld outrun some Escorts but I kind of want to do it anyways
That would make them into lasers instead.

Not that photon thrusters don't work, mind, they just don't have the thrust and their ISP advantages evaporate if you can't convert more than single digit percentages of your ship's mass into energy.

On the plus side, we wouldn't have to pick between fighting and running when the Orks take a shot at us.
 
[X] The More the Merrier - Reconciliation
- [X] His Sons
- [X] Dragonlord Amar-Ithil of Quilan
- [X] Draylin of the True Sight, Seerlord of Meros
- [X] Seer Araeniel of Meros
- [X] Yranne Kal, the Mothwing Lord of Arach-Qin
- [X] Forgemaster Xenael Wraev of Zahr-Tann
- [X] Special Bodyguards
- [X] Elite Bodyguards
-- [X] Reduce this
- [X] Weight: Escort Heavy
- [X] Configuration: Cruiser Squadron
- [X] Special: The Serpent of the Stars

As briefly justified here
 
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[x] The More the Merrier - Division
- [x] His Sons
- [x] Dragonlord Amar-Ithil of Quilan
- [x] Draylin of the True Sight, Seerlord of Meros
- [x] Seer Araeniel of Meros
- [x] Irsfeial, Emissary of the Ishari
- [x] Yranne Kal, the Mothwing Lord of Arach-Qin
- [x] Forgemaster Xenael Wraev of Zahr-Tann
- [x] Special Bodyguards
- [x] Elite Bodyguards
- - [x] Reduce this
- [x] Weight: Escort Heavy
- [x] Configuration: Cruiser Squadron
- [x] Special: The Serpent of the Stars
 
[x] The More the Merrier - Division
- [x] His Sons
- [x] Dragonlord Amar-Ithil of Quilan
- [x] Draylin of the True Sight, Seerlord of Meros
- [x] Seer Araeniel of Meros
- [x] Irsfeial, Emissary of the Ishari
- [x] Yranne Kal, the Mothwing Lord of Arach-Qin
- [x] Forgemaster Xenael Wraev of Zahr-Tann
- [x] Special Bodyguards
- [x] Elite Bodyguards
- - [x] Reduce this
- [x] Weight: Escort Heavy
- [x] Configuration: Cruiser Squadron
- [x] Special: The Serpent of the Stars
 
I'll look for the quote, but I think the that Eldar who aren't on the Path have the energy continually sucked from the 'holes' in their soul, very slowly in the Webway behind its wards, and more quickly in real space. Being on the Path or living the Exodite lifestyle allows you to hold the holes closed so their energy can't be sucked out. Later Dark Eldar don't close the holes, they just eat more energy* to replace what is lost.
Is that subtle though? I thought that was just a logical extension of having our souls slurped, not a gotcha clause hidden behind a more obvious main effect.
 
[X] Plan: United Front
-[X] Irsfeial, Emissary of the Ishari
-[X] Dragonlord Amar-Ithil of Quilan
-[X] Draylin of the True Sight, Seerlord of Meros
-[X] Yranne Kal, the Mothwing Lord of Arach-Qin
-[X] Forgemaster Xenael Wraev of Zahr-Tann
-[X] Elite Bodyguards
-[X] Special Bodyguards
-[X] Weight: Escort Heavy
-[X] Configuration: Battleship Task Group
-[X] Special: The Hidden Fang

So, the logic behind this.

1 Representative from each of our Allies, to show a united front. In each case, I'm bringing the canniest, highest Reputation one among them, and the collective as a whole shows that we are not to be dismissed even by the Major Craftworlds, because our united strength is comprehensive.

We bring our Elites and Specials, so we can show off Vau-Vulkesh's artifice. We've got enough examples of VGA, Needlers, and Ithilmar that we can very clearly show that we're not coasting off of saved treasures from pre-Fall, but actively developing new and potent solutions.

Now, as for the battleship spread, it exists for a reason. On the one hand, we're showing off "This is what we came out of the Fall with", which is terrifying offensive power. But on the other hand, going Escort Heavy is showing what we've done since the Fall, with our Nettles and the War-Ketches, showing that--again--we've already partially adapted to the new state of affairs, and have a path forward that only requires yardtime and planning space to pop off. It shows that we're an influence on the rise, not a group content on coasting and blustering and riding on the laurels of the time we were a superpower, but one who's visibly adapting and regaining a sliver of the Ancient Power with a vertical slice of our progression.

Now, I can be convinced that we can drop down to Cruiser Squadron, but that depends if going Escort Heavy counts on the overall calculation about whether we cross the line from looking strong to blustering. Could you weigh in on this point @Mechanis ? I can still adjust this based on feedback

And finally, we leave the Serpent at home. Because that's flagrant "Look at our luck" and "Look at our power" that'll be gauche, by rubbing the Past Glories in the face of everyone. Teddy Roosevelt said it back in the day. "Speak Softly and carry a big stick; you will go far." The point is doing our best not to shame others with our actions, but if someone flips out anyway, well, we have the stick for good reason.
 
[X] Plan Moderation
-[X] Irsfeial, Emissary of the Ishari
-[X] Dragonlord Amar-Ithil of Quilan
-[X] Draylin of the True Sight, Seerlord of Meros
-[X] Yranne Kal, the Mothwing Lord of Arach-Qin
-[X] Forgemaster Xenael Wraev of Zahr-Tann
-[X] Regular Bodyguards
-[X] Special Bodyguards
-[X] Weight: Escort Heavy
-[X] Configuration: Battleship Task Group
-[X] Special: The Hidden Fang

I'm going with Karnax626's plan, mostly because I prefer the Regular/Other pair.
 
So to explain my vote:

[X] The More the Merrier - Reconciliation
- [X] His Sons
- [X] Dragonlord Amar-Ithil of Quilan
- [X] Draylin of the True Sight, Seerlord of Meros
- [X] Seer Araeniel of Meros
- [X] Yranne Kal, the Mothwing Lord of Arach-Qin
- [X] Forgemaster Xenael Wraev of Zahr-Tann
- [X] Special Bodyguards
- [X] Elite Bodyguards
-- [X] Reduce this
- [X] Weight: Escort Heavy
- [X] Configuration: Cruiser Squadron
- [X] Special: The Serpent of the Stars

1) I think we should bring all 7 sons because there'll be lots of people to talk to and frankly we'll need the help
2) I leave Irsfeial at home because her people are in the middle of evacuating, so are most likely to need her leadership, and because I think we need to encourage unity not inspire division at this conference. We are likely to face collective action problems so we shouldn't make it any harder for Iyanden and Ulthwe to wrangle the extremists on both sides (including us) to all pull in the same direction
3) I think we want to take both the Meros leaders. Their Craftworld is safe, the old guy is very influential and his daughter can help cover non-critical meetings so he has the energy to fully engage where it matters
4) I focus on special units to bring Ithilmar warsuits to advertise our post-Fall tech innovation
5) I think bringing the fleet is essentially one decision. We should bring the Sword because it's impressive and should inspire weaker Craftworlds to believe we can protect them. Importantly, it also doesn't belong to us, it currently belongs to a coalition partner, so we're not threatening people with it. To balance this show of strength, so as not to offend the stronger craftworlds, I bring a weaker fleet, but focused on escorts to subtly advertise our progress refitting
 
I don't think anything is going to be directly done about the Curse here, but I think plans can and will be made. I think the Nurgle and Slaneesh Curse's are currently impossible to address, but we can possibly plan for something about Tzeentch's, hence double dipping on Meros, and we can also try to arrange other joint expeditions to start building the habit of cooperation.
Of note, there's a significant distinction between "impossible to break" and "impossible to address". Designing custom tailored wards based on our in-depth data on the curses would still go a long way to mitigating the issues.
 
Of note, there's a significant distinction between "impossible to break" and "impossible to address". Designing custom tailored wards based on our in-depth data on the curses would still go a long way to mitigating the issues.

I still think literally nothing will actually be done at the conference. There's not enough time.
 
I doubt anyone we put in our retinue is going to be in the background. The term retinue implies that they are going to be important representatives to our cause at this moot. If half or more of our representatives aren't important to the main topic at hand, that doesn't give the best of impressions.
I didn't say they wouldn't be important, just that they don't measure up to the majority of our retinue enough to overshadow them. no one is going to fail to recognize the most accomplished seer alive because he walks in next to 7 younger Aeldari from Vau-Vulkesh.

[X] The More the Merrier - Reconciliation BTG
- [X] His Sons
- [X] Dragonlord Amar-Ithil of Quilan
- [X] Draylin of the True Sight, Seerlord of Meros
- [X] Seer Araeniel of Meros
- [X] Yranne Kal, the Mothwing Lord of Arach-Qin
- [X] Forgemaster Xenael Wraev of Zahr-Tann
- [X] Special Bodyguards
- [X] Elite Bodyguards
- - [X] Reduce this
- [X] Weight: Escort Heavy
- [X] Configuration: Battleship Task Group
- [X] Special: The Serpent of the Stars

Ishari not worth the pushback to our main discussion point. what matters is getting Aeldari to accept the curses existence and start being proactive in countering them. anything else can wait for another day.

a battleship task group is better because it shows off the combat brig and it's starcaster mega lance. cruisers are all civilian refits without much to stand out.

we should absolutely bring the serpent of the stars. a crone sword class battleship is a subconscious "take this person seriously" in the minds of all Aeldari.

[X] The More the Merrier - Reconciliation
 
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I still think literally nothing will actually be done at the conference. There's not enough time.
Eh, I think the expertise of Meros would be just as useful for rapidly iterating and distributing anti-rot wards and tuning up whatever defenses against the Thirst their wards are already providing as it will be for developing Unwinding Protocols to baffle the Fateweaver.
 
I have to admit I'm a bit surprised there's such a sudden wave of votes for the United Front plan seeing as it hadn't been previously proposed in thread before voting opened, the first near instantly after the plan went up for the first time?

Is there a quest discord where people are agreeing votes out of thread or something?
 
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[x] The More the Merrier - Division
- [x] His Sons
- [x] Dragonlord Amar-Ithil of Quilan
- [x] Draylin of the True Sight, Seerlord of Meros
- [x] Seer Araeniel of Meros
- [x] Irsfeial, Emissary of the Ishari
- [x] Yranne Kal, the Mothwing Lord of Arach-Qin
- [x] Forgemaster Xenael Wraev of Zahr-Tann
- [x] Special Bodyguards
- [x] Elite Bodyguards
- - [x] Reduce this
- [x] Weight: Escort Heavy
- [x] Configuration: Cruiser Squadron
- [x] Special: The Serpent of the Stars
 
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