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[x] Plan Everything But The Mule
[x] Plan: Ordered Liberty

I want 4 utility but don't feel the need to double up on Shuttles and a Transporter.
 
I want to know just how the brig and transporter add 10,000 tons each. Good grief how big do they need to be? Like seriously that's the mass of a IRL cruiser for each of them
 
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Knowledgeispower said:
I want to know just how the brig and transporter add 10,000 tons each. Good grief how big do they need to be?
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They themselves aren't that massive, but the ship needs to be enlarged to allow for them, and each of them comes with various attendant subsystems that require space and mass, to say nothing of the need to run new EPS conduits and life support systems and and and...

It all adds up.
 
[X] Plan Everything But The Mule

I'm most convinced by the political aspects of procurement, particularly for worlds with tighter budgets. While objectively having reduced pure-interception capabilities, the increased utility features will make it more attractive due to not needing to justify buying more hulls, even if that would be more efficient. From a political perspective having 'a Coast Guard Cutter that's pretty good at interception' is much easier to swing than 'interceptor that can bring suspects home'.

My personal opinion that systems that are developed enough to justify the Denobula design will also have a need for a coast guard Cutter, and likely in more substantial numbers. Interceptors are for when things have escalated, Cutters are for the bread and butter ops that compose the majority of peace time activities. I'm also on the non-shuttle side of things given the expected operating range and operating conditions. Odds are that situations that would require a shuttle would better be dealt with by a much larger ship.

And I have this vague hope that having more base tonnage/volume will make it easier to rip out the auxi systems and replace them with a proton torpedo launcher in rushed war-builds.

EDIT: I'm viewing the contest as the advertisement method, not the sale.
 
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I still think that for the purposes of building the equivalent of a V8 Interceptor Pursuit Special, Ranger is the best combo.

It basically does everything you need it to do and nothing you don't need it to do.
 
Ramble said:
I still think that for the purposes of building the equivalent of a V8 Interceptor Pursuit Special, Ranger is the best combo.

It basically does everything you need it to do and nothing you don't need it to do.
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Yeah Ranger is basically building something hyper specialized in a good direction.
 
gamer50018 said:
I just hope we haven't missed Project Ares. I haven't had much interest in this one.
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Eh different tastes, I'm invested in this one a lot because its a police ship and not just a warship, if all we make is things for war this quest would in my opinion get a little stale, plus starfleet is not overly interested in warships outside of wartime.
 
LunaMoth said:
Eh different tastes, I'm invested in this one a lot because its a police ship and not just a warship, if all we make is things for war this quest would in my opinion get a little stale, plus starfleet is not overly interested in warships outside of wartime.
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Indeed, but I haven't enjoyed the shift in gameplay this project entailed and want to get back to normal. Also we haven't made a single purpose ship since the Curiosity and I wanna see what we can make if we do something Skate style now we've teched up.
 
thepsyborg said:
No. No it should not be respected. Look, there are two possibilities:
  1. Transporters are even remotely possiblymurder-and-clone machines in-setting
    • ...and consequently even if they're not, every single Starfleet member is guilty of so many millions of reckless endangerments (and so many millions of murders if they are)- at the explicit direction of the thread who have collectively voted to put a transporter in every single thing it'd fit in thus far- that you are necessarily accusing us, the voters, as people in real life, of a truly heinous degree of moral failing.
  2. Transporters are definitely, unquestionably not murder-and-clone machines in-setting, which has been proven as fact beyond any remotely reasonable doubt, and anyone who believes otherwise is a fringe conspiracist on par with real-life flat-earthers.
    • And consequently no, actually, people can travel (or not) however they want on their own time but criminals don't get to object to the particular model of police car they get taken to jail in.
Needless to say, I reject the first possibility utterly, and in the second one your position is...pretty farcical.
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Could you please refrain from using so much large and loud formatting? This is basically the forum equivalent of shouting. It doesn't help your argument, it just makes your post unpleasant to read.
 
Adhoc vote count started by Firehawk242 on Jan 8, 2024 at 9:08 AM, finished with 290 posts and 89 votes.
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Counting the non-plan votes, Ranger has an extra seven votes. Not enough to matter, but it's not quite as one-sided as it looks.
 
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