[X] Thank you for everything You did for me. For encouraging me even when it was abnormal. For teaching me even when it was frowned on. Without you there would be no Halla Sunshine, no Skyfire, Owl-Eyes, Longstride or any that is to come - not if there was not first Halla Steinnardotter. I will always walk knowing you taught me to. Find joy in Valhalla, and I shall see you when fate decrees, with tales to tell.
 
[X] Thank you for everything You did for me. For encouraging me even when it was abnormal. For teaching me even when it was frowned on. Without you there would be no Halla Sunshine, no Skyfire, Owl-Eyes, Longstride or any that is to come - not if there was not first Halla Steinnardotter. I will always walk knowing you taught me to. Find joy in Valhalla, and I shall see you when fate decrees, with tales to tell.
 
[X] Thank you for everything You did for me. For encouraging me even when it was abnormal. For teaching me even when it was frowned on. Without you there would be no Halla Sunshine, no Skyfire, Owl-Eyes, Longstride or any that is to come - not if there was not first Halla Steinnardotter. I will always walk knowing you taught me to. Find joy in Valhalla, and I shall see you when fate decrees, with tales to tell
 
[X] Thank you for everything You did for me. For encouraging me even when it was abnormal. For teaching me even when it was frowned on. Without you there would be no Halla Sunshine, no Skyfire, Owl-Eyes, Longstride or any that is to come - not if there was not first Halla Steinnardotter. I will always walk knowing you taught me to. Find joy in Valhalla, and I shall see you when fate decrees, with tales to tell.
 
[x] Thank you for everything You did for me. For encouraging me even when it was abnormal. For teaching me even when it was frowned on. Without you there would be no Halla Sunshine, no Skyfire, Owl-Eyes, Longstride or any that is to come - not if there was not first Halla Steinnardotter. I will always walk knowing you taught me to. Find joy in Valhalla, and I shall see you when fate decrees, with tales to tell.
 
[X] Thank you for everything You did for me. For encouraging me even when it was abnormal. For teaching me even when it was frowned on. Without you there would be no Halla Sunshine, no Skyfire, Owl-Eyes, Longstride or any that is to come - not if there was not first Halla Steinnardotter. I will always walk knowing you taught me to. Find joy in Valhalla, and I shall see you when fate decrees, with tales to tell.
 
[X] Thank you for everything You did for me. For encouraging me even when it was abnormal. For teaching me even when it was frowned on. Without you there would be no Halla Sunshine, no Skyfire, Owl-Eyes, Longstride or any that is to come - not if there was not first Halla Steinnardotter. I will always walk knowing you taught me to. Find joy in Valhalla, and I shall see you when fate decrees, with tales to tell.

I like this. It's about as minimally badass as something Halla might actually say could plausibly be, and that's a good thing here in my opinion.
 
How does a Steam engine (or anything else with a lot moving part) work in a setting where the laws of physics change based on what time zone you're in!
Does a steam engine work in this setting?

Alternatively, maybe a steam engine works in some places, but not in others, same as how Norsemen can stick their severed limbs back on and reattach them and most other folks can't.

Edit 2: Blackhand knew what atoms were which the Norse most definitely didn't implying that physical laws are not based what the local dominant culture believes.
Matter can be made of atoms, in the sense of "there are tiniest indivisible parts of matter," without physics working the way we expect.

I mean, the world must have worked some way before there were people to have a culture.
We have reason to think there were intelligent species before humanity.

It's entirely possible that the world we know was genuinely created by something that also created the first races to populate it. The base state may well have already been colored by people's expectations.
 
Does a steam engine work in this setting?

Alternatively, maybe a steam engine works in some places, but not in others, same as how Norsemen can stick their severed limbs back on and reattach them and most other folks can't.
It kinda seems like when something is made (by humans?), that something has 'cultural inertia' imbued in it, allowing it to function regardless of the prevailing culture it's in. So if the culture believes that they can make steam engines, then they make one, and the steam engine subsequently operates on the 'Steam engines work' paradigm.

Otherwise stuff like Born in Fire or even Fated Days would stop working when you left the Norselands.
We have reason to think there were intelligent species before humanity.

It's entirely possible that the world we know was genuinely created by something that also created the first races to populate it. The base state may well have already been colored by people's expectations.
There are loads of pretty smart animals, honestly. It could be that humans in this setting are uniquely special with their ability (or perhaps degree of their ability) to impose culture, however.
 
Does a steam engine work in this setting?

Alternatively, maybe a steam engine works in some places, but not in others, same as how Norsemen can stick their severed limbs back on and reattach them and most other folks can't.

From what IF has said, yeah, a steam engine would work...I don't think there's ever been a culture that strongly disbelieved in them, after all, and things really do seem to work in a pretty expected way to us from the real world absent cultural factors changing them.

Matter can be made of atoms, in the sense of "there are tiniest indivisible parts of matter," without physics working the way we expect.

There was also some discussion of magnetism,IIRC. It strongly indicated that physics were familiar if you ignored magic.

We have reason to think there were intelligent species before humanity.

It's entirely possible that the world we know was genuinely created by something that also created the first races to populate it. The base state may well have already been colored by people's expectations.

There's a reason I said 'people' rather than 'humans'...and this is technically possible, but if so, based on the world we've seen, their initial expectations were pretty in line with those of the real world, including things like physics.
 
[X] Thank you for everything You did for me. For encouraging me even when it was abnormal. For teaching me even when it was frowned on. Without you there would be no Halla Sunshine, no Skyfire, Owl-Eyes, Longstride or any that is to come - not if there was not first Halla Steinnardotter. I will always walk knowing you taught me to. Find joy in Valhalla, and I shall see you when fate decrees, with tales to tell.

/*************/

Other possibility: it could be that there would be some sort of "industrial revolution" cultivation that would make the steam engines go. I mean, when they work via scientific principles that not everyone understands, and you need to have a trained professional to operate the things....
 
It's also entirely plausible that the 'pre-human' nature of the setting doesn't have, say, quantum mechanics and special relativity. In addition to cultural beliefs. Maybe gravity functions instantaneously instead of propagating. Maybe light moves instantly, and there is no speed of light to be concerned about. Maybe light is strictly a wave or a particle, none of this duality nonsense.

One could see, simply by examining what seems to be a Nornir-provided glimpse at post/pre-human Gotland (but that's already tainted, we've just arrived and are imposing cultural inertia on it, and Absalom is already here).

Also, given that cultural beliefs are a part of reality in this setting, researching culture-reality interactions will likely be a real science in this world, if the inherent stagnancy of culture-reality imposition doesn't preclude the development of sciences.

(I mean, if you can demonstrably prove something then.. well, it's proven, you know?)
 
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I can think of ways for magnetism to work recognizably on the level of "compasses are a thing and lodestones attract ferrous metals" without physics on the level of "relativity and quantum mechanics" being recognizable.

Specifically, Blackhand remembered the word 'magnetosphere'. This is the quote:

You frown as you consider his musings. As you do, a question springs back to mind, a question that you'd been meaning to ask for some time now, "So, how does the North-Knowing trick work, anyways?"

'It works by connecting to something called a 'magnetosphere',' he hums to himself as a light frown graces his 'features'. 'This was once explained to me by a friend in my youth, a friend whose name now escapes my traitorous memory.'

That's, I think, indicative of a somewhat more advanced understanding of magnetics.
 
Hey Halla,

This Gotland you're seeing now, is, alive, like, fully alive like the Hading? Or is it like half-alive, like Wessex, or even possibly, more 'alive' than the Hading?
Are there any spirits around you could recruit?
Would it be.. wrong or otherwise feel incorrect/inproper for you to take some of Gotland's soil (or plants) back home, or even to leave behind in your Soulscape?

Hey Abjorn,

You remember the Aspect-sharing experiment, did you feel anything weird when I stoked your Aspects?
Do Fylgjur smell like the animal they resemble, or like the person? Did my Owl Fylgja smell like me, or like, well, an owl?

(@Imperial Fister)
 
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Specifically, Blackhand remembered the word 'magnetosphere'. This is the quote:

That's, I think, indicative of a somewhat more advanced understanding of magnetics.
It indicates understanding that somewhere up or out there, there's a sphere that is in some way, shape, or form "magnetized."

Believe me, I could bullshit up something that doesn't run on physics as we understand it at the deep level, but which still matches that description.
 
It indicates understanding that somewhere up or out there, there's a sphere that is in some way, shape, or form "magnetized."

Believe me, I could bullshit up something that doesn't run on physics as we understand it at the deep level, but which still matches that description.

Sure, but every other thing we know about the world also supports it working how ours does for the most part except when magic gets involved. It's not impossible for all that to be wrong, but it's sure unlikely given what we've seen, and everything IF has ever said on the subject supports reality having a base state which culture and cultivation then effects.
 
Sure, but every other thing we know about the world also supports it working how ours does for the most part except when magic gets involved. It's not impossible for all that to be wrong, but it's sure unlikely given what we've seen, and everything IF has ever said on the subject supports reality having a base state which culture and cultivation then effects.
Imagine going to NQ and explaining IRL science in Norse terms.

"The Northern Lights? What happens is that Sun-Spirits come sailing on the Star-Winds, coming to raid Midgard for air and water. The brilliant lights in the sky you see are their blood left from their great battles against Midgard's guardian spirits of thunder, lightning, wind and all."
"Oh, by guardian spirits, you mean Thor's Einhenjar, the Thorshird?"
"..Yeah. That's what I mean."
 
This Gotland you're seeing now, is, alive, like, fully alive like the Hading? Or is it like half-alive, like Wessex, or even possibly, more 'alive' than the Hading?
Gotland isn't ready yet. What that means, you don't know, but it feels correct.
Are there any spirits around you could recruit?
No
Would it be.. wrong or otherwise feel incorrect/inproper for you to take some of Gotland's soil (or plants) back home, or even to leave behind in your Soulscape?
classic hero moment
You remember the Aspect-sharing experiment, did you feel anything weird when I stoked your Aspects?
no
Do Fylgjur smell like the animal they resemble, or like the person? Did my Owl Fylgja smell like me, or like, well, an
people smell like their fylgja
 
Gotland isn't ready yet. What that means, you don't know, but it feels correct.
So Gotland is like, recovering after being killed.
...

We should do this so we have something of Gotland to remember by.

Hey Blackhand,

Do you think taking some of Gotland's earth or plants with me would be a bad idea?
By the way.. you know when Sten talked about Asveig taking down a host of grown men with no evidence left behind.. did that sound more like Seidr, Fylgja, Odr stuff or a more regular 'she killed them all normally' to you?

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On that note.

Blackhand/Halla:

Are people with Yellow-Colored Eyes, like Drysalt or Lidrun, something that's basically unheard of, or something that's actually fairly common?

(IRL: Yellow Eyes = Jaundice, you're probably walking dead.)
 
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Not only islands, for the record. All land will, eventually, return back to its original state.
Hmmm....
You know, that could be interesting method for resource management.
To the point of first human presence
..oh, my.... That would definitely be a great resource management if it could be harnessed.
Would piss off all the spirits of the land if implemented though.
Gotland isn't ready yet. What that means, you don't know, but it feels correct.
It just wants 5 more minutes! :V
 
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