Clearly the further you travel the more you warp to the current areas tales of you.

Fafnir is not winged and he breaths poison when he's in the land of the Norse. But if you somehow kicked him into England, he would warp into a winged fire breather.

Everyone's happy! Or unhappy. Or being killed by a dragon.
 
Honestly I suspect that trying to determine which of these foes is more dangerous from these descriptions alone would be a bit like trying to decide which car has better gas mileage using the phase of the moon. Moreover, I strongly suspect that @Imperial Fister has made them basically equivalently dangerous, just in different ways.

So I would suggest everyone votes for the option they like the most as an antagonist.

I agree with them all being equally threatening, but they're different kinds of threats. Fafnir has eitr, something resembling Stoker State, and great physical prowess, and per IF on Discord, Grendel and his mother are basically Steelgiants (ie: standard Steelfather resistance to harm, plus giant stuff), and the Witch-King has minions and magic and becomes a much bigger threat if he gets ahold of his sword. Their motivations also differ and will likely cause them to cause very different story beats.

Which is to say I agree and people should pick the antagonist they want, but that includes the specific kind of abilities and plot threads included.

For me, I think the personal risks for us (via eitr making death so much worse) and our loved ones (because there's a grudge with our family) are by far the biggest with the dragon, which is why I prefer the other two. I also don't like the thematics of our ancestor's work getting undone (I don't care about other people's work being undone nearly as much).
 
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Would it be Fafnir coming back to life and Sigurd's killing of him being undone, or would it be another person being infected by greed and a brand-new Fafnir coming into existence, heir to the title?
 
I agree with them all being equally threatening, but they're different kinds of threats. Fafnir has eitr, something resembling Stoker State, and great physical prowess, and per IF on Discord, Grendel and his mother are basically Steelgiants (ie: standard Steelfather resistance to harm, plus giant stuff), and the Witch-King has minions and magic and becomes a much bigger threat if he gets ahold of his sword. Their motivations also differ and will likely cause them to cause very different story beats.

Which is to say I agree and people should pick the antagonist they want, but that includes the specific kind of abilities and plot threads included.

For me, I think the personal risks for us (via eitr making death so much worse) and our loved ones (because there's a grudge with our family) are by far the biggest with the dragon, which is why I prefer the other two. I also don't like the thematics of our ancestor's work getting undone (I don't care about other people's work being undone nearly as much).

This is fair enough, although I'd note that it's possible that the other two may also have dangerous abilities which are concerning from the perspective of passing stuff down to future generations. A necromancer seems like a prime candidate for fucking with Charred Soul or enslaving our dead soul to him as a Draugr, which is arguably worse than fragmentation due to Eitr, although this is completely conjectural on my part.

Also I suspect Beowulf is also our ancestor given our close connection to Gotland. Honestly since this seems to have been triggered as a sort of karmic debt incurred by Abjorn learning about Odr cultivation, probably all three of them could be old foes of our ancestors. Not saying this should necessarily change your vote, just noting it.

It's also probably worth pinning this down.





@Imperial Fister, for the purposes of the vote here, would you mind telling us straight up:
- With the three baddies here, is it basically an "equally scary and dangerous in different ways" kinda dealie?
- Furthermore, do any of the other two apart from Fafnir have abilities which might prove problematic for us passing down Charred Soul if they kill us?

I'm willing to offer reward dice if it helps, and consider them spent if it does, I just think it would be good to establish this. I would also suggest that if the answer to both is "Yes", that you maybe extend the vote a few hours to give people the chance to change votes if they wish?

Since I think that a significant fraction of votes right now are on the basis that we know Eitr is scary, and know much less about the other two options.
 
A question I have that I'm sure has already been answered somewhere, but I was reading in reader mode until recently; is there any chance of a Steinnar ghost showing up, maybe if we name a child after them and choose to play as them, without Halla dying?

Or did the whole 'spirit mentor passing down through ages' thing just skip his generation?
 
A question I have that I'm sure has already been answered somewhere, but I was reading in reader mode until recently; is there any chance of a Steinnar ghost showing up, maybe if we name a child after them and choose to play as them, without Halla dying?

Or did the whole 'spirit mentor passing down through ages' thing just skip his generation?

Charred Soul skipped Steinarr because Blackhand apparently got lost in the Dark Forest (part of the spirit world which seems to abut everyone's souls) for a really long time.

Given that Steinarr was like, essentially as cool a Norseman as you can be without being an Odr Cultivator, and his soul was personally collected by a Valykrie, he will probably be an einherjar now. That means it's definitely possible for us to meet him again, but we'd probably need to travel to Asgard somehow.
 
Charred Soul skipped Steinarr because Blackhand apparently got lost in the Dark Forest (part of the spirit world which seems to abut everyone's souls) for a really long time.

Given that Steinarr was like, essentially as cool a Norseman as you can be without being an Odr Cultivator, and his soul was personally collected by a Valykrie, he will probably be an einherjar now. That means it's definitely possible for us to meet him again, but we'd probably need to travel to Asgard somehow.

Unfortunate, but fair. I just had a flash of 'oh, what if Steinarr became our next ghost mentor' if we choose to retire and don't die. He was a cool guy and I liked him a lot. But he's busy being an einherjar and that's fair.
 
Unfortunate, but fair. I just had a flash of 'oh, what if Steinarr became our next ghost mentor' if we choose to retire and don't die. He was a cool guy and I liked him a lot. But he's busy being an einherjar and that's fair.

Yeah it would be cool to see him again. I expect it will happen at the end of Halla's story, for one reason or another. But it's not impossible we'll have more shenanigans involving the gods, so it might be possible before then?
 
A question I have that I'm sure has already been answered somewhere, but I was reading in reader mode until recently; is there any chance of a Steinnar ghost showing up, maybe if we name a child after them and choose to play as them, without Halla dying?

Or did the whole 'spirit mentor passing down through ages' thing just skip his generation?

What Blackhand did to make Charred Soul was pretty unique and manifested only in those named after him...it'll work differently going forward, but Steinarr was never a part of it.

And, as Skippy said, he's almost certainly an einherjar, which means there's probably not a ghost around to meet, but we could meet him physically somewhere other than Midgard under the right circumstances.

Yeah it would be cool to see him again so he can see how much we've grown. I expect it will happen at the end of Halla's story, when she becomes an einherjar. But it's not impossible we'll have more shenanigans involving the gods, so it might be possible before then??!

I mean, we met an einherjar while rescuing Aki. Running into him is not out of the question under the right circumstances.
 
[X] A Witch-King seeks his sword once more in Valland

witch kings are a classic, and its far more interesting of a foe for Halla should we actually fight them. generally, I think its more interesting narratively then a destructive giant or a greedy dragon. though there is something very poetic about slaying Fafnir using strength from his own heart
 
Another random charred soul question: if we live say, another 20 years, and our kids are all grown and have their own families and stuff, can we choose to jump a generation and 'inhabit' (read: play) a grandchild instead? If we so wanted.
 
Another random charred soul question: if we live say, another 20 years, and our kids are all grown and have their own families and stuff, can we choose to jump a generation and 'inhabit' (read: play) a grandchild instead? If we so wanted.

Per what we've been told, no. Charred Soul will always jump to a kid, then when they die, one of their kids. That said, there's been talk of playing one of our kids before they get Charred Soul, so playing someone who does not yet have Charred Soul is potentially viable.

That was something i wondered for quite a long time.

I mean, its basicaly what Blackhand did. So it should be possible in theory.

Blackhand's initial thing was very different in a lot of ways.
 
I am going to chuckle so much if we choose the Witch-King because of our fear of Eitr causing soul-fragmentation, and then it turns out that the Witch-King can enslave or torture souls or some shit.

Another random charred soul question: if we live say, another 20 years, and our kids are all grown and have their own families and stuff, can we choose to jump a generation and 'inhabit' (read: play) a grandchild instead? If we so wanted.

Probably, yeah, although I think the Quest is pretty set on continuing as one of the kids given how invested we are in them.

The idea now is that we take over as one of the kids before they inherit Charred Soul, and they will presumably receive it midway though in the event that Halla dies. Or possibly we choose to transfer Charred Soul over when Halla is still alive, if that's possible - or maybe just some copy of her knowledge. There's sort of a tension between the desire for Halla not to need to die just so we can start the sequel quest, versus how annoying it will be to adjudicate the players having meta-knowledge with the new protagonist that they probably should not have without Halla's knowledge of cultivation.
 
I just am of the opinion that I'd feel weird body hopping into someone with a complete life and probably goals and things they've made for themselves and maybe we want something different.

Body hopping into a child before they're a fully realized Person and letting them develop according to the SV norms feels less weird.
 
I am going to chuckle so much if we choose the Witch-King because of our fear of Eitr causing soul-fragmentation, and then it turns out that the Witch-King can enslave or torture souls or some shit.

I mean, even if that's true I suspect we have a variety of ways to resist it via seidr and spiritual combat...we have no equivalent for eitr. We die to that we just get messed up, no way around it.

There's sort of a tension between the desire for Halla not to need to die just so we can start the sequel quest, versus how annoying it will be to adjudicate the players having meta-knowledge with the new protagonist that they probably should not have without Halla's knowledge of cultivation.

One idea I had in this regard, and this is purely spitballing, was to do most stuff with our new character but get a brief interlude every turn where we return to Halla for 'cultivation experiment time'. That wouldn't entirely solve the problem, but it might help and sounds interesting.

I just am of the opinion that I'd feel weird body hopping into someone with a complete life and probably goals and things they've made for themselves and maybe we want something different.

Body hopping into a child before they're a fully realized Person and letting them develop according to the SV norms feels less weird.

That's not how it works. Halla doesn't possess them, it's more like Blackhand with Halla, she gets to advise them and impart a lot of information. That information likely shifts their goals somewhat (it did for Halla), but it's not controlling.
 
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That's not how it works. Halla doesn't possess them, it's more like Blackhand with Halla, she gets to advise them and impart a lot of information

We as in SV the voters, not we as in Halla. Yeah Halla will just be around as a voice of reason and info, but I can't see us taking over like, Asgeir the Berserker who has killed dozens of men and taken hundreds thrall on raids and not suddenly start Changing his personality to be nicer. Because SV always ends up making pretty nice people with fairly modern views.
 
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We as in SV the voters, not we as in Halla. Yeah Halla will just be around as a voice of reason and info, but I can't see us taking over like, Asgeir the Berserker who has killed dozens of men and taken hundreds thrall on raids and not suddenly start Changing his personality to be nicer. Because SV always ends up making pretty nice people with fairly modern views.

I mean, Halla is also raising them, I doubt they're gonna be completely divorced from her values. Plus, per IF, we're not starting playing anyone at an age older than 20. So still quite young...we can choose to start at 16 as well, if 20 seems too old, and may well do so.

That's part of the reason for us wanting to play them before they get Charred Soul...we kinda don't want Halla to die before she hits 40.
 
[X] A pair of man-feasting giants rise again in Denmark
[X] A Witch-King seeks his sword once more in Valland

Count me with Team "Not the Dragon".
 
[X] A Witch-King seeks his sword once more in Valland

Yeah, no undead dragons please.
This does not count as a disclosure though, right? No need to fear pursuers and an army of foemans and giants on top of the undead?
 
Clearly we need to trigger Disclosure while we are in the middle of an enemy formation during war, and as the foemen rush in to kill everyone we switch to a full retreat.


Not really. Please don't do that.

We should be killing the army of foemen for Orthstirr.
 
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