- Location
- Space between realms
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- He
We should probably make a backup in Latin(can we not read this?) or English(do they have a writing system yet?); if for no other reason than to preserve Norse culture and cultivation.
NorseQuest (A Norse Xianxia)
- Thread starter I.F. Ister
- Start date
- Original Fantasy Action
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- norse mythology (mythology) original xianxia cultivation western cultivation ask sirihand did your mother tell you anything? discussion pleases yggdrasil farming gloating gets people killed granary management hubris is a coward's word you will die norsemen do not die when they are killed the qm has a bad memory the qm is bad at math viking courtroom drama (legal drama) vikings open voting
Aabcehmu
Confusion as a Natural State of Being
- Location
- Aurora, CO
- Pronouns
- Any/All
Halla doesn't know Latin yet, and I'm not sure she's comfortable enough with written English to write poetic allegories in it yet either. But writing translations once she has the proficiency isn't a bad idea.
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- He/Him
We cannot speak or read Latin. We can do both for English, which does indeed have writing, but poetic allusions might be a stretch, yeah.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Not really a priority IMO. A bunch of free cows or silver is irrelevant to our situation.
Once again, don't bring literally everyone so that there are people protecting our home if something happens, plus also so that it is easier for there to have character beats between our people.
As for what to do:
1) Check for livestock brandings which are normally used to indicate ownership. They should exist in this era, they've been around since like 2700 BC IRL. Even divinely owned cows should have them.
Apparently they have no brandings. Go figure.
1) Hunt around very hard for magical beings of any sort. Someone owns those cows and they probably aren't a Norseman.
2) Use Seidr to see if there are weird spirits who have been pranking people by leading away their cows or something. This is a LOT of cows.
3) Spam the shit out of Owl-Eye Pulse and the Give-Away Tricks for spiritual weirdness.
4) Even after claiming the cows, mark them separately so that if someone does come around to claim them we can return them without much hassle.
Not sure, but maybe specify the exact 1-1 matchups among our children?
Alectai had something to say about doing some kind of string based multitasking, maybe put that in? More details is more good.
I think we should offer them the opportunity to exist in our soulscape... well, actually:
Lesser Spirits (Random useless spirits who can't do anything)
Get: Place to exist in without our Soulscape but OUTSIDE our Farmsoul.
Give: Make the place more lively, don't cause trouble, defend against other hostile spirits.
Moderate Spirits (Definition: Any spirit with an ability that could qualify as remotely useful)
Get: As Lesser Spirit, plus potentially Odr (amount pending spirit).
Give: As lesser Spirit, plus services based on that spirit's capabilities exactly.
Greater Spirits (Definition: Any spirit which could plausibly harm us)
Case-by-case basis (Read: Update for specific negotiations).
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- He/Him
Per IF on Discord, the cattle are of Wondrous quality and have no brand. That only reinforces my suspicions that something is really weird with the cows. Like 'in need of investigation' weird. If it were just the money I'd be a little less focused but that's just strange as hell.
Eh. Fair enough. Done.
This seems like micromanaging to the point of being, well, unmanageable. I'll make it even more explicit that we're checking for weirdness, though.
We have 4 kids who'd be involved...I'd rather let that develop naturally anyway.
Alectai's is basically what I describe only without the possibility of fingers, which I think is an important thing to try.
I sincerely don't think we can or should micromanage what offers we make to that degree. They should depend heavily on the specific spirits. I'll expand a little on some possibilities, though.
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Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
I think it's just a magical creature, though as long as we bring Abjorn along we should have a near-certain chance of finding the real owner due to Wolf's Nose.
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- He/Him
If something rich and powerful enough to just have this sizable herd of really excellent cattle is relatively nearby, I think we need to know about that.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
It's sad that despite it all, Abjorn still loved his father.
[X] Plan Household Activities
Can we also add offering expiriences and maybe food to the spirits we recruit?
I don't think love is the right word.
Abjorn must have really complicated feelings towards his father. And deep down he is probably disapointed he didn't get to kill him or at least put him down himself.
Can we also add offering expiriences and maybe food to the spirits we recruit?
I don't think love is the right word.
Abjorn must have really complicated feelings towards his father. And deep down he is probably disapointed he didn't get to kill him or at least put him down himself.
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- He/Him
Food, certainly. I'm not sure how offering Experiences would even work...we could see what they say. I'll add them to the list.
Will we use next turn to meet Jurgen and the skogtatt?
Now the herd and Abjorn have taken priority, but we should investigate those at some point.
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I think they have to wait until we're back from Gotland. That trip is likely next turn, along with probably making the book cover and either some more crafting if we can do a Divination on the trip, or the Divination if we can't (and talking Steel with Sten as our social, probably). Once we're back, I'm down to talk to both of those, potentially, though we'll see how that intersects with other actions.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Even if Experiences work, I would prefer we didn't offer them on the basis that 9 Work Dice is really a lot of work.
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- He/Him
It sounds to me like we can imbue them into things without losing them. Like, the Fylgja Ritual does not require us to reacquire those Experiences every time we do it, it just requires that we have them at all...I think. Likewise, imbuing one into an item so a spirit could feel it probably doesn't cost us the Experience in question.
I'm not 100% sure of that, though, I admit. Even if I'm wrong, though, I think we'd still be willing to offer them...albeit at a much higher price. Like, we'd definitely spend 9 Work Dice to acquire a spiritual servant for the rest of our life or something like that. So they'd be on the table either way just not at the same price point.
@Imperial Fister how do Experiences work? Am I right that generally, once you have them you have them and can reuse them, or are they used up when you imbue them into something?
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Fair enough, it makes sense.
By the way, are we using Weighed on the Scales when we recruit Spirits right? It seems implicit in the plan, but i wanted to check.
Also, if this works and we want to recruit more Spirits in the next turns. We can use Signalfire to do it.
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That's certainly the intent, but I'll add it explicitly.
Using Signalfire is likely for future recruiting efforts, yeah.
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Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
Crossposting my thoughts from Discord on the attributes:
So in Bold Underlined were where Infusions gave something that the base attribute didn't. As you can see, Hugr and Fylgja Infusions both gave something (Frenzy that the base attribute did not. This is not the case for Hamr Infusions - There isn't anything that you can get with Hamr Infusions that you can't get by raising Hamr high enough. That's suspicious!
Also, the Fylgja stat remains a huge oddity and we're probably missing something big in it's base stats. We probably have all it's Infusion effects, but we're likely missing something from the base attribute itself.
Hamr:
+Raw Hamr Rolls
+Endurance
+Shapeshfits
+Hamr Trick Slots
+(eventually) Combat-Speed Shapeshfits
Hamr Infusions:
+Endurance
+Shapeshifts
+(Seemingly nothing else?)
Hugr:
+Raw Hugr Rolls
+Hugr Capacity
+Alloys
+Hugr Trick Slots
+Rewrites/Loopholes (Personally I call them Stretches/Scratches)
Hugr Infusions:
+Hugr Capacity
+Alloys
+Frenzy
+Rewrites/Loopholes
Fylgja:
+(Probably) Raw Fylgja rolls
+????????? We're probably missing something here
+Fylgja Endurance & Capacity
+Command Slots
+Fylgja Evolutions
Fylgja Infusions:
+Fylgja Endurance & Capacity
+Command Slots
+Alloy/Shapeshfit Slots
+Raw Hamr Rolls
+Endurance
+Shapeshfits
+Hamr Trick Slots
+(eventually) Combat-Speed Shapeshfits
Hamr Infusions:
+Endurance
+Shapeshifts
+(Seemingly nothing else?)
Hugr:
+Raw Hugr Rolls
+Hugr Capacity
+Alloys
+Hugr Trick Slots
+Rewrites/Loopholes (Personally I call them Stretches/Scratches)
Hugr Infusions:
+Hugr Capacity
+Alloys
+Frenzy
+Rewrites/Loopholes
Fylgja:
+(Probably) Raw Fylgja rolls
+????????? We're probably missing something here
+Fylgja Endurance & Capacity
+Command Slots
+Fylgja Evolutions
Fylgja Infusions:
+Fylgja Endurance & Capacity
+Command Slots
+Alloy/Shapeshfit Slots
So in Bold Underlined were where Infusions gave something that the base attribute didn't. As you can see, Hugr and Fylgja Infusions both gave something (Frenzy that the base attribute did not. This is not the case for Hamr Infusions - There isn't anything that you can get with Hamr Infusions that you can't get by raising Hamr high enough. That's suspicious!
Also, the Fylgja stat remains a huge oddity and we're probably missing something big in it's base stats. We probably have all it's Infusion effects, but we're likely missing something from the base attribute itself.
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Generally agreed, yeah. We're missing something from Fylgja itself and maybe something from Hamr Infusion. The existing benefits of Hamr Infusion could, in theory, be good enough it doesn't need an 'extra thing'...I do think there's probably something else, but it might be something minor or something that only kicks in at Hamr 10+ or something.
I'm in complete agreement that we're missing something Fylgja-related, though.
I believe IF confirmed this at Hugr Infusion 9+.
Shard
One and Many
- Location
- Malaysia
I think the something we are missing from Hamr Infusion is probably about 'as' good as either the extra Endurance or the extra Shapeshfits. Basically I think we're missing maybe ~1/3 of the effects of Hamr Infusions.
We probably have all the effects of Fylgja Infusions though, I think. We're just missing a critical effect of the base stat.
We should ask a Fylgja specialist to see what they know. So either Aki or Solrun.
I.F. Ister
Fortifying The Thread
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- He/They
Experiences were inspired by the materials to make Fenrir's bonds, which were used up in their entirety in the making of them. It's why you
no longer "hear the footfall of a cat" or "see the beard of a woman"—never mind that both absolutely still exist but shut up.
So, in short, Experiences are used up in the process.
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- He/Him
I'm not sure whether that's true on Hamr, though it's possible. Agreed entirely on Fylgja.
We should have the opportunity to ask Solrun stuff next turn. So that's probably the easiest way.
Oof. That's rough. That makes revealing someone's Fylgja way more expensive than it seems like it should be at 27 Work Dice (or three actions). Or is there some sort of discount for those specific three Experiences?
Like, that seems generally fine, at 9 Work Dice per cool thing you can add to something, but for Fylgja specifically it seems overly harsh.
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Maybe we can regain those Experiences and then use them again?
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I'm sure we can, but 27 Work Dice per Fylgja Reveal doesn't really work with the prices Solrun was charging previously or indeed it being a thing you can just buy. That's a huge amount of work for a lone seeress, who likely doesn't even have that many Work Dice per turn and would need to burn multiple actions...it just doesn't quite work.
I mean, if regaining the same Experiences is cheaper after the first time it'd potentially work, but not at 27 Work Dice/3 Actions a pop.
I.F. Ister
Fortifying The Thread
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- He/They
Yeah, that's the point. Unveiling your fylgja is to force something formless to take a form when the time isn't right. It's going to be expensive as hell to do that.
It's why you don't see all that many people with unveiled fylgjur, because it's expensive as all get out.
I'll sleep on it, though. See if I feel any different come morning
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