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Sitting there concentrated on something (I.E. not paying attention to her surroundings) in the literal bedroom of the guy she's here to kill for an hour. Remains to me an insane overreach for what is at best an marginal increase in fulfilling a bonus condition.

Realistically though I'm really not even convinced it is an increase.

Not really. The Vampire Hunter world has a constant low-grade argument about which deaths and killings were actually Lahmians and which ones weren't, and there's nothing approaching a consensus on the matter.

This is the state of the art regarding Lahmian killing diagnosis, no one can actually say one way or the other about much regarding it. I really don't think much special is needed here, really anything a bit weird to get the wheels rolling is enough, we've got a ringer to steer things after that afterall.
 
so if we get interrupted we would have to restart at the beginning of making it?
That's the implication, yes. It's fiddly. (Mathilde compared it to constructing a spiderweb inside a soap bubble, and then a model ship inside that spiderweb. She might have grown in skill tremendously since then, but it's still just really fiddly.)

I don't think there's a lot of chances for Mathilde to get interrupted. At least one hour, when the palace has no magical defenses and nobody able to spot her when she does not wish to be seen, feels trivial to me.
 
I'm not sure if Mathilde can maintain Mockery of Death, Matrix, and Invisibility all at the same time without risking miscast, but that just means if someone walks in she drops her current attempt at the Matrix and starts over when they leave.
Mockery of Death only needs to be cast once, and if Mathilde uses Substance of Shadow for invisibility, that also only needs to be cast once until she's illuminated or dispelled. Beyond that she can focus entirely on the Matrix.

[x] Plan: Nighttime Heart Attack
 
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Is there a verbal component for casting the Matrix? If not, it's hardly a stretch to hide within shadow even if Mathilde's not fully aware of her surroundings while in the middle of casting.
 
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Yes. It's not using their brain's associations to find all the relevant memories, it's using magic.
Alright, I apologize in advance if this is me digging at magic too deep, but I am simply curious - if it doesn't work through brain's associations, would it work even on the facts the target doesn't know to associate with the caster? For example, if someone only heard the Black College was destroyed without learning who did it, would they forget it was if Mathilde hit them with a Mindhole?
 
Alright, I apologize in advance if this is me digging at magic too deep, but I am simply curious - if it doesn't work through brain's associations, would it work even on the facts the target doesn't know to associate with the caster? For example, if someone only heard the Black College was destroyed without learning who did it, would they forget it was if Mathilde hit them with a Mindhole?

It wouldn't erase the Black College destruction, but if they knew anything about who did it, they'd forget that.
 
Why would a well done mundane assassination make people think it was a Lahmian that did it while trying to cover it up instead of a good mundane assassin. We want to make it look like Vampires did it but tried to be careful about it which means some magic should be used.
Because the Lahmian Vampires are not idiots, which is why they've been able to do so well for so long in a very anti-vampire civilization. When they kill someone, they don't advertise about it. Magic is definitely getting used, but for sneaking and mindfuckery, not for the purpose of a dramatic kill (which is, not incidentally, against mission requirements). Nighttime Visit With Style actually does kill him using magic... it's just that the magic is shaped like a dagger, and used for stabbing. That's the appropriate level of subtlety, here... not a flashy public murder with a complex spell that might go wrong, just a few incongruities in the death that might let a motivated inspector point to the possibility of vampires.
 
Why is Nighttime Heart Attack considered a good idea? Doesn't Matrix + Shadow Dagger have a non-negligible chance for a knife to come flying out of his chest?

How exactly would that be explained?
 
Why is Nighttime Heart Attack considered a good idea? Doesn't Matrix + Shadow Dagger have a non-negligible chance for a knife to come flying out of his chest?

How exactly would that be explained?
Lahmian tried to be sneaky and fucked up, and instead of the subtle no-visible-wound look they were going for they overcharged it to be sure and oops.
 
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Honestly, I think Magic Dart would work better than Shadow Knives for the matrix. A sling shot going off inside someone is going to kill them every bit as dead as a Shadow Knife, but is much less likely to break out.
 
Does Shadow Knife bypass normal (sleeping) clothes? The description merely says "bypass non-magical armor."

If it still ruffles or damages clothing then its no different to a mundane knife and the assassination looks completely normal instead of a Lahmian smoking gun. Unless Vladimir wears armor in his sleep or something, which would be weirder.
 
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Casting the matrix requires an hour of uninterrupted focus. There will be guards outside the room. What happens if they notice? What if a chambermaid walks in to stoke the fire or take away the chamber pots or the dozen other tasks a servant would have in the Tzar's room? What if he doesn't sleep alone?

Remember when we were helping Anton with his love life, and it was mentioned that he never had any privacy at all because he was constantly surrounded by guards and servants? And he's just a Baron, not a Tzar.

There's no guarantee that we'll be able to spend a full hour alone in the Tzar's room—that level of privacy and isolation is simply unheard of with people in his position. There will always be someone close by, and an hour is a long time.

We should go in and out, quick and easy, and if the only evidence of magic that Boris can scrounge up is "the guards didn't see the assassin, who passed through multiple layers of security like an invisible ghost", then I'm sure he'll find a way to make it work.
 
There's no guarantee that we'll be able to spend a full hour alone in the Tzar's room—that level of privacy and isolation is simply unheard of with people in his position. There will always be someone close by, and an hour is a long time.
To be quite honest I expect Mathilde to case the joint first no matter what we vote for and if she notices the Tzar is in fact never unattended for an hour at a time she won't just hope she manages that time anyway.
 
Casting the matrix requires an hour of uninterrupted focus. There will be guards outside the room. What happens if they notice? What if a chambermaid walks in to stoke the fire or take away the chamber pots or the dozen other tasks a servant would have in the Tzar's room? What if he doesn't sleep alone?

Remember when we were helping Anton with his love life, and it was mentioned that he never had any privacy at all because he was constantly surrounded by guards and servants? And he's just a Baron, not a Tzar.

There's no guarantee that we'll be able to spend a full hour alone in the Tzar's room—that level of privacy and isolation is simply unheard of with people in his position. There will always be someone close by, and an hour is a long time.

We should go in and out, quick and easy, and if the only evidence of magic that Boris can scrounge up is "the guards didn't see the assassin, who passed through multiple layers of security like an invisible ghost", then I'm sure he'll find a way to make it work.
Notice what, a completely silent and invisible shadow with their non-existent magesight? I find it ridiculous that the thread hypes up Mathilde's stealth, but seems to think she can't hide from mundane servants or guards while casting a spell while invisible. Mathilde can sneak by alert guards, but can't hide from someone entering a room for a short bit before they leave again?

The Tzar's protection is rated against amateur assassins, so if any professional infiltrator can conceivably pull it off, it's less of a solid frame-job against Lahmians.
 
To be quite honest I expect Mathilde to case the joint first no matter what we vote for and if she notices the Tzar is in fact never unattended for an hour at a time she won't just hope she manages that time anyway.

If a Matrix plan wins, then Mathilde will attempt to cast the Matrix. The time to decide whether or not it is workable is now, not after the vote closes. In the scenario she's discovered, the best case is that she abandons the Matrix and just slits his throat, and flees before she's identified, at which point we might as well as gone with the safe plan.

Notice what, a completely silent and invisible shadow with their non-existent magesight? I find it ridiculous that the thread hypes up Mathilde's stealth, but seems to think she can't hide from mundane servants or guards while casting a spell while invisible. Mathilde can sneak by alert guards, but can't hide from someone entering a room for a short bit before they leave again?

The Tzar's protection is rated against amateur assassins, so if any professional infiltrator can conceivably pull it off, it's less of a solid frame-job against Lahmians.

Shroud of Invisibility lasts for 30 seconds, so no, we won't be invisible whilst casting the Matrix. We'll be very visible, and if Mathilde has need to recast Shroud (because a guard or a servant just walked in) then she'd have to restart the Matrix from scratch.
 
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If a Matrix plan wins, then Mathilde will attempt to cast the Matrix. The time to decide whether or not it is workable is now, not after the vote closes. In the scenario she's discovered, the best case is that she abandons the Matrix and just slits his throat, and flees before she's identified.

Shroud of Invisibility lasts for 30 seconds, so no, we won't be invisible whilst casting the Matrix. We'll be very visible, and if Mathilde has need to recast Shroud (because a guard or a servant just walked in) then she'd have to restart the Matrix from scratch.
She'd be using substance of shadow which achieves invisibility while in shadow, unless you're saying there's no shadows and a bedroom is completely illuminated at night? If she's discovered before the Matrix can be performed, she can simply use Shadow knives at Vladimir to kill him like the normal plan. There's nothing complicated about it, Mathilde can hide from anyone in the castle, so multiple attempts at the Matrix shouldn't be an issue if there's interruptions.

Like, if there's no window of opportunity for the Matrix, she can just default to a simple Shadow Knife stabbing before escape. I struggle to find any risk or danger you're trying to portray.
 
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I'm approval voting Plan: Nighttime Heart Attack, since it seems like it'll be somewhat better if works. If it fails and Mathilde is somehow caught while casting the matrix, well, Mathilde can stab the Tzar and use Mindhole on any witnesses and get away using magic, and then we'll get something like "Nightvisit with Style" or "Conspicuous Exfiltration".

It'll look a magical assassin tried to subtly kill the Tzar but then was caught and got away leaving a trail that is still pretty sublte but shoes obvious signs of magic to someone who knows to look for it, and it'll be convincing because that's actually what happened.
 
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