DocMatoi
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[] [SEVIROSCOPE] Ranald in a slightly shoddy knight costume on a giant housecat
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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest
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One of them did. Auditory is actually the most common form of Windsight for Light Wizard.
Note she can't teach her sword style, Apparitions are apparently too unintelligent to learn. A Red Rider can be taught how to fight like a spider, but not like a Mathilde, sadly.
Note that she can make herself look like the Apparition, she can't make the Apparition look like her with Doppleganger, making it vastly less useful as a decoy.
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This needs reworking, you crealy assumed they are identical to Hexwraiths, but actualy the similarity would only go as far as wraits on a horse. They won't even have scythes.
Unfortunate, so the gig is up once they make contact(but they now have to get out of an apparition's sword range)
Should still have all the undead-alike parts apply, but I'll take out the scythe.
Should take out weapon skill in general since new info came in while I was typing but its nearly 1 AM x.x
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Have we decided what colour its eyes should be? Should any mist rotate clockwise or counter-clockwise? Will we be drawing armour designs from human, dwarf or elven sources? Should we optimise for a menacing loom or galloping with terrifying speed?
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"Oh, such a pity that no one knows what she looks like- they even used her summon's face instead of her's on the giant portrait."
Illusions. Plus, you know, we haven't found any enemies that would care is Mathilde instead of some other battle wizard. So I don't think we matter enough for this to matter.
It's an emotional revulsion to the idea. I share it. Not really something you can argue shouldn't exist, because it does.
The middle would consist of people who don't know her by face but recognize her by the hat, belt, and robes. Face only messes with people who already know us.
That's.... I'm just going to say that's untrue, and imagination is your friend here. Illusions don't do the same thing as a red rider. That's a looooong way from not being useful.
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Vebyast
Nascent Transhuman
On the seviroscope, I think this is a good opportunity to continue our history of systemic contributions with low and unexciting intensity but super high long term impact, things like the Rooms of Calamity, the Library, the MAP, the Rite of Way, the Canal, the EIC, Queekish, etcetera.
The auditory seviroscope isn't a single new machine, it's an entirely new paradigm for item construction, based on and inspired by what we've learned about waystones and elementalism and runecraft, that makes a certain class of magical interaction totally mechanical and reproducible. Thorek will be all over it, as will every single one of the other colleges, and I absolutely expect things that go ding when there's stuff to be deployed to every battalion and city in the empire and all over K8P. Hell, recalling that material impacts the flow of magic in the same way that magic can affect materials, this is a path to physically reproducible mechanical spellcasting, in the same way that the Waystone capstones turned out to be basically just a single fancy bit of metal with precisely the correct permeability - just hook the sensor half up to an actuator half instead of a set of horn valves!
I'm not saying that the optical seviroscope isn't important. It's a huge boon for both the sensitivity and reproducibility of magical research. An objective, canonical, and most importantly printable representation of magic would mean every single scroll and textbook in every single one of the colleges would need to be rewritten to include seviroscope plates. Nonmagical artifacts would let us collaborate directly with Runesmithes. And so on. It's a huge advance. We ultimately must do it. But it's improving the cutting edge, not raising the waterline.
(I simply don't have time to read thirty pages of discussion so apologies if this has already been brought up >_<)
The auditory seviroscope isn't a single new machine, it's an entirely new paradigm for item construction, based on and inspired by what we've learned about waystones and elementalism and runecraft, that makes a certain class of magical interaction totally mechanical and reproducible. Thorek will be all over it, as will every single one of the other colleges, and I absolutely expect things that go ding when there's stuff to be deployed to every battalion and city in the empire and all over K8P. Hell, recalling that material impacts the flow of magic in the same way that magic can affect materials, this is a path to physically reproducible mechanical spellcasting, in the same way that the Waystone capstones turned out to be basically just a single fancy bit of metal with precisely the correct permeability - just hook the sensor half up to an actuator half instead of a set of horn valves!
I'm not saying that the optical seviroscope isn't important. It's a huge boon for both the sensitivity and reproducibility of magical research. An objective, canonical, and most importantly printable representation of magic would mean every single scroll and textbook in every single one of the colleges would need to be rewritten to include seviroscope plates. Nonmagical artifacts would let us collaborate directly with Runesmithes. And so on. It's a huge advance. We ultimately must do it. But it's improving the cutting edge, not raising the waterline.
(I simply don't have time to read thirty pages of discussion so apologies if this has already been brought up >_<)
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Only if they're familiar with her combat style and any limitations her magic sword may have. Virtually no one that she's trying to deceive is.
I believe the specific issue is that Illusion requires ongoing concentration, which makes it a poor decoy for anything that requires the wizard do anything else while its going.
Somic
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As for the Seviroscope, my personal take is:
Both are awesome! Whichever we don't make now, we'll probably go for later.
There's no wizards with auditory windsight on hand, although that one is an easier option in general.
Mathilde and Egrimm are both Lord Magisters with visual windsight, and Mathilde's especially is extremely acute. And Eike was the one who suggested the idea in the first place! I think it'll be nice if we act on it now. Our adorable apprentice might be happy that her speaking up resulted in something great.
Visual Seviroscope, while more difficult, would also be more fitting for the kind of highly detailed technical work we tend to do on our research, and also contribute to other wizards researching as well.
Inventing photography sounds really fun!
So: I think we should make the visual version now, and later hire help with auditory windsight to get the other version right. It just sounds neat to me this way.
Both are awesome! Whichever we don't make now, we'll probably go for later.
There's no wizards with auditory windsight on hand, although that one is an easier option in general.
Mathilde and Egrimm are both Lord Magisters with visual windsight, and Mathilde's especially is extremely acute. And Eike was the one who suggested the idea in the first place! I think it'll be nice if we act on it now. Our adorable apprentice might be happy that her speaking up resulted in something great.
Visual Seviroscope, while more difficult, would also be more fitting for the kind of highly detailed technical work we tend to do on our research, and also contribute to other wizards researching as well.
Inventing photography sounds really fun!
So: I think we should make the visual version now, and later hire help with auditory windsight to get the other version right. It just sounds neat to me this way.
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I don't think I like the 'Shoddy' bit, as I feel it would diminsh the depiction's panach. Anyway:
[ ] [RIDER] A man who could look like a depiction of Ranald, though there a lot of ambiguity about it due to the smoke drifitng around him partially obscuring his face at all times, in a knight costume, wielding swords, riding a horse-sized housecat.
This... may be blasphemy.
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This is, acceptable.
It keeps enough "Mathilde" iconography to be recogniceable for those in the know, but is not so blatantly obvious that it feels like a desperate cry for attention.
Still prefer a nazgul though.
For some reason I had read that to mean that the Apparition Wolves would be superior too the normal wolves. Nevermind then, cats all the way.
People know illusions exist. They don't know solid clones do. A Mathilde Rider can do a good impression of Mathilde. An Illusion can't, not being solid
Like, for example, people who had her in view up until the moment she cast the spell and teleported away or before she went around the corner.
They don't have to know you to remember what your face looked like ten seconds ago.
The problem is you almost literally can't run away while you're maintaining an illusion. You have to keep concentrating on the illusion and if you want it to change you need to be looking at it.
That was what I meant.
Though personally I'm leaning one of either Generic Imperial Knight or Generic Grey Wizard as the skin, because that means when enemies send appropriate forces to fight a Knight or a Grey Wizard they find themselves in melee with a phantasmal monster.
Thats really tactically more valuable than some kind of scary monster. We got more efficient ways to scare people as a Grey Wizard.
Thats really tactically more valuable than some kind of scary monster. We got more efficient ways to scare people as a Grey Wizard.
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I think the auditory one is the most likely to get us Grandpa Kragg headpats. Because it's the most Dwarfy: Reliable, simple, reproducible, operates in a way that would be familiar to Runesmiths, and doesn't rely on any magic in the device itself to work. Sure, it takes more time and effort to use for an in-depth scan, but since when is that a problem for Kragg?
Compare that to the visual one: A one-off prototype, complicated, fidly, and it uses Wind enchantments.
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I think Ranald would get a kick out of it.
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To break our options down...
Auditory Seviroscope
+Simpler to make
+Could be of great practical non-research use
+Portable
+Constant stream of information
+Might be better for easing Eike and Egrimm into Windherding stuff
-Not very detailed, would require effort to draw useful information out of it
-Probably needs another wizard with auditory windsight to write something on how to interpret results for research
Visual Seviroscope
+++Highly detailed, easily-understood
+We have two LMs with visual windsight to work with
+Would be of direct use to studying Bok and similar one-off weird stuff the dwarves run into
-Harder to make, and expensive
-Bulky, non-portable
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As for the Rider... I really think we should take the potential tactical upsides of each as the main deciding factor, rather than the potential aesthetic upsides and downsides. Regardless of how it looks/what animals we're attached to, miscasts will always happen.
Auditory Seviroscope
+Simpler to make
+Could be of great practical non-research use
+Portable
+Constant stream of information
+Might be better for easing Eike and Egrimm into Windherding stuff
-Not very detailed, would require effort to draw useful information out of it
-Probably needs another wizard with auditory windsight to write something on how to interpret results for research
Visual Seviroscope
+++Highly detailed, easily-understood
+We have two LMs with visual windsight to work with
+Would be of direct use to studying Bok and similar one-off weird stuff the dwarves run into
-Harder to make, and expensive
-Bulky, non-portable
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As for the Rider... I really think we should take the potential tactical upsides of each as the main deciding factor, rather than the potential aesthetic upsides and downsides. Regardless of how it looks/what animals we're attached to, miscasts will always happen.
- Horse-mounted variants: Would be great at charging infantry in particular.
- Are centaurs bascially included in this, as far as potential weaponizing goes?
- Giant boar: Probably similar to horses, might be some slight differences in terms of how strong or how fast it is
- Demigryph or giant cat variants: Will use all limbs to kill, so extra good at making a single enemy's day really bad
- Winter Wolves: Good at pursuit
- Spiders: Can probably climb walls and maybe enemies
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I'm going to be honest, I really want both of the Seviroscopes because while alone they're amazing, together they could be even moreso. But for now, Visual is the best simply because it's the one we have more ability on hand to do correctly. I would definitely suggest replicating what we did with Thorek and the AV though and not giving it to Kragg until we have both options ready.
[X] [SEVIROSCOPE] Visual
[X] [RIDER] Mounted Wraiths
[X] [RIDER] Knight
-[X] Conventional Empire (Mathilde's Heraldry)
[X] [RIDER] Knight
-[X] Conventional Empire (Mathilde's Heraldry w/Wolf mount)
[X] [RIDER] Knight
-[X] Conventional Empire (Mathilde's Heraldry w/Giant Cat mount)
[X] Other (Ulgu Dragon)
[X] [RIDER] Great Cat Knight
Gods, I hope this is formatted correctly, it's a bit confusing.
[X] [RIDER] Mounted Wraiths
[X] [RIDER] Knight
-[X] Conventional Empire (Mathilde's Heraldry)
[X] [RIDER] Knight
-[X] Conventional Empire (Mathilde's Heraldry w/Wolf mount)
[X] [RIDER] Knight
-[X] Conventional Empire (Mathilde's Heraldry w/Giant Cat mount)
[X] Other (Ulgu Dragon)
[X] [RIDER] Great Cat Knight
Gods, I hope this is formatted correctly, it's a bit confusing.
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