Voted best in category in the Users' Choice awards.
I'm just going to vote again I guess I don't tend to engage on plan votes for turn but really want the red riders so.

[X] Plan Bring Running Shoes with Seviroscope
[X] Plan Bring Running Shoes
[X] Plan Roadmap to Success
 
I don't understand why you feel so strongly about this

Yeah, sorry, I've just had an epiphany that I'm projecting some unresolved issues pretty hard onto Eike.

I did an apprenticeship myself, and they promised me in the job interview that I would develop my skills on actual projects. Instead, they isolated me from any work of real importance, treated me as unskilled labour, and sent me on pointless theory courses that taught me nothing.

I became so depressed that I became suicidal.

I'm sorry, I thought I was over it, especially since I'm in a much healthier and more secure place in my life now, but I ended up flying off the handle at everybody instead. Just the mere thought of Eike ending up in an analogous position made me lose control, and I feel awful that I allowed myself to act like that.
 
we do not actually need a specific spell to use it as i understand it. the colleges use apparations through turning them into something that can grab/scratch/bite/kill and then letting their natural inclination do the rest. so a bound red rider (as an example) would only need a paint job to not be recognized and then is good to go. we do need a way to bind the sucker which would happen next turn if this turn works out well.
More or less what I meant - the mechanisms by which we control and direct it. I forsee this being much easier when the thing being directed is something between fog and shadow, which we have traits and two arcane marks for.

Honestly if controlling said marks improved control of the apparition that'd be sick, too, but mostly I just want to make sure we keep a brisk timetable for getting our minion operational, and that said minion will be especially useful on the elfcation, which the dhar-screwing beastie absolutely would be. 😌
 
That's absolutely not a guarantee. Boney has implied that you train the apparition to some extent, using its link to our soul as a leash. We might need to train the apparition in certain commands like attacking X and making sure it doesn't attack Y in the process.
More or less what I meant - the mechanisms by which we control and direct it. I forsee this being much easier when the thing being directed is something between fog and shadow, which we have traits and two arcane marks for.

Honestly if controlling said marks improved control of the apparition that'd be sick, too, but mostly I just want to make sure we keep a brisk timetable for getting our minion operational, and that said minion will be especially useful on the elfcation, which the dhar-screwing beastie absolutely would be. 😌

oh i do agree there, but i would imagine that falls under "bind the apparation to you" and its definitely not its own spell that we have to develop beforehand.
 
How come Aksel isn't here?
There was some controversy over whether to put Zlata, Niedzwenka or Aksel in the Foundation because it should be about how to contain the Winds, and these three don't touch them per se, they do different and weirder types of magic presumably based on Earthbound magic/spirit-bargaining/divine-channeling. So it's debatable how much they could contribute.

Some plans have a few of them getting involved anyway just to cover our bases, though.
 
[X] Plan Roadmap to Success + Ranald Liminal
[X] Plan Redshirt v4.53236

Chiefly because out of all the dangerous things done in this turn, liminal realms strikes me as the scariest with the spooky attention from the other side and not putting the Gambler on that seems less than sound to me.
 
I think it'll be good to have a non-wind caster on the foundations action, just so we have an outside perspective on it.

Although I suspect that Niedzwenka would just say "get a spirit to do it for you", Aksel would pull out some weird folklore-y sympathetic magic, and Zlata will shrug and say something vague.
 
so now that it has caught up i can drop the approval.
[X] Plan Bring Running Shoes with Seviroscope

come on only 9 more to go for the top!

edit: eight to go!
 
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So I'd prefer to teach that. Outside doing things vs days of staring at a rock? I know which most teens I know would prefer.

Considering computers are just fancy rocks, so do I! :p

That's absolutely not a guarantee. Boney has implied that you train the apparition to some extent, using its link to our soul as a leash. We might need to train the apparition in certain commands like attacking X and making sure it doesn't attack Y in the process.

There's also the question of how extensive the changes we want to make are; the amount of change that each college applies seem to vary quite a lot. Golden Hounds are almost literally a coat of paint, Dwellers Below are a midpoint of horrible thorns but mostly retaining the darkness (and the shrieking?), and the Bleak Swarm goes from human-headed flies to a mass of normal-seeming crows. There's been some implication that we can pick which of those we're inclined to, and that it might have a direct impact on exactly what our new soulpet can do.
 
[X] Plan Bring Running Shoes with Seviroscope
[X] Plan Redshirt v4.53236

Cutting down my approval votes. Both are seviroscope.
 
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Yeah, sorry, I've just had an epiphany that I'm projecting some unresolved issues pretty hard onto Eike.

I did an apprenticeship myself, and they promised me in the job interview that I would develop my skills on actual projects. Instead, they isolated me from any work of real importance, treated me as unskilled labour, and sent me on pointless theory courses that taught me nothing.

I became so depressed that I became suicidal.

I'm sorry, I thought I was over it, especially since I'm in a much healthier and more secure place in my life now, but I ended up flying off the handle at everybody instead. Just the mere thought of Eike ending up in an analogous position made me lose control, and I feel awful that I allowed myself to act like that.
For what it's worth, I feel like we have been giving Eike real work with things that actually matter.

The results of the EIC turn last action and the proposal for the Lustrian rubbings action currently being proposed were both framed as areas where she'd be able to make genuine contributions.

It feels like there's a general progression is that first we introduce her to a field of study by shadowing us, (diplomacy and trade, scholarship and academia) and the initial actions are spent training and observing her, while those that come after involve her doing actual work.

I think it'll be good to have a non-wind caster on the foundations action, just so we have an outside perspective on it.

Although I suspect that Niedzwenka would just say "get a spirit to do it for you", Aksel would pull out some weird folklore-y sympathetic magic, and Zlata will shrug and say something vague.
As far as Niedzwenka's perspective go, it feels like its worth noting that there is a spirit doing it. Said spirit may be the souls of Caledor Dragontamer and co but depending on how the interface with the leyline and the foundation base works, that could be important?
 
Man, we could have had Eike act as an extra AP for low-priority actions for a few turns now, but instead the winning plan sends her to learn tradecraft despite already having a solid grounding on it from the Grey College itself. Having apprentices do things the master is too busy for is a basic conceit of apprenticeships in setting. Just because Regimand did not teach this way doesn't make rule, or even the best practice as we know so far.

[X] Plan Bring Running Shoes
[X] Plan Bring Running Shoes with Seviroscope
[X] Plan Roadmap to Success + Ranald Liminal
[X] Plan Redshirt v3.14159265 w/Riders and Busy Eike
[X] Plan Redshirt v3.14159265 w/Riders and Busy Eike & Seviriscope, no speculum
[X] Plan Daughters of Lakes and Shadows
[X] Plan Redshirt v3.14159265 w/Riders
[X] Plan Red Rider Rushes Forward

Since my didn't take off I'm approval voting any plan that has both Eike learning enchanting and capturing Red Riders, since I think that's a much better use of her time than the winning plan has at least.
 
Plan Bring Running Shoes
Plan Redshirt v4.53236

Cutting down my approval votes. Both are seviroscope.
The Redshirt plan you picked is Seviroscope. The Running Shoes one you've got is the Cloak of Flashy Escapes version. You'd need to specifically pick the Seviroscope version ([ ] Plan Bring Running Shoes with Seviroscope)
 
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[X] Plan Roadmap to Success + Ranald Liminal
-[X] JOHANN: Hunt an apparition (Rider in Red)
-[X] MAX: Study an artefact (Lustrian Rubbings)
-[X] Waystone: Mapping (Tilea, Estalia) (Johann)
-[X] Waystone: Foundation (Thorek, Hatalath, Sarvoi, Niedzwenka, Egrimm, Elrisse, Tochter, Zlata)
-[X] Tributary: International (Kislev) (Zlata, Niedzwenka, Aksel, Cadaeth, Tochter)
-[X] Attempt to create a liminal realm
--[X] COIN: The Gambler
-[X] EIC: Negotiate and plan a magical route through the Schadensumpf to allow for easier trade with the Eonir without compromising their defenses
-[X] KAU: Begin copying the full corpus of a Partner Library (Grand University of Nuln)
-[X] SERENITY: Observations on the Windfall north of the Dark Lands (Egrimm as primary author)
-[X] Eike Actions: Lustrian Rubbings , Windfall paper, EIC action
-[X] Eike Study: Study tradecraft with the Hochlander
 
The results of the EIC turn last action and the proposal for the Lustrian rubbings action currently being proposed were both framed as areas where she'd be able to make genuine contributions.

It feels like there's a general progression is that first we introduce her to a field of study by shadowing us, (diplomacy and trade, scholarship and academia) and the initial actions are spent training and observing her, while those that come after involve her doing actual work.
This is an excellent observation I had not made myself. You're totally right; in trade, we showed her how we did it and then asked her to do it, and in academia we brought her in on some paper-writing actions and now are asking her to contribute to the research and not just the writeup.
Man, we could have had Eike act as an extra AP for low-priority actions for a few turns now,
There is absolutely no indication that this is true. Eike Study is a study action, not an arbitrary "go do a thing" action, and I think it likely that Boney would veto Eike Study: [go do a job for us.]
Specify which of the above actions Eike will be present for and (hopefully) learning from, as well as what she will be directed to study when she's not doing so. Her study may involve lessons you pay for, or tutoring from your employees and allies.
If it were something like "as well as what she will be directed to do on her own," that would be one thing, but there's no reason to believe that "study" can be twisted into "extra AP for low-priority actions."
 
As a side note, have we maximized Ulgu in the library? It seems like a thing to do now that we have Eonir and Druchii book access also.


I think she is? Junior apprentices are at the colleges I thought.
We don't have Eonir book access for magical subjects, and we don't really have Druuchi books access yet.

There was some controversy over whether to put Zlata, Niedzwenka or Aksel in the Foundation because it should be about how to contain the Winds, and these three don't touch them per se, they do different and weirder types of magic presumably based on Earthbound magic/spirit-bargaining/divine-channeling. So it's debatable how much they could contribute.

Some plans have a few of them getting involved anyway just to cover our bases, though.
I think we should be putting everyone on the initial Foundations action, so we can see what their paradigm has to say about it. Then, when we've got that basic idea, we can winnow them down heavily.

Aksel might not do much with the Winds directly, but that certainly didn't stop him with the Leylines action, and we're going to feel very silly if he has a foolproof way of dropping Winds directly into a leyline as well. The Project's made great strides by bringing in paradigms that don't adhere to the Elven model, and we should at least check what they have to offer before writing them off.
 
[x] Plan Redshirt v3.14159
[x] Plan Dark Little Bit of Everything
[x] Plan Redshirt v4.53236
[x] Plan Roadmap to Success w/ Whispering Darkness
[x] Plan Redshirt v4 (Sevirscope)
 
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My thoughts on the leading actions:

Roadmap to Success:

It's... fine? I prefer Whispering Shadows but I'd be okay with doing the Riders as our first apparition binding too.

Not a fan of the Egrimm action, I'd like to finally get Windherding moving, and the Sevirscope neatly ties into our recent Elementalist BÖÖKs to help Kragg. Plus there's the neat little narrative of Eike learning enchantment and then being involved in a bunch of enchantment-adjacent things.

That said, I did actually enjoy our last mapping action and fully agree with the need to map Tilea eventually, so I'm not gonna riot or anything if this wins.

Plan Bring Running Shoes:

We were so close to greatness, we were this close! This almost does what I want, then veers into a ditch when it makes a random gaudy cloak instead of the Sevirscope we want for Kragg or Horstmann's Speculum for style points. I don't mind the Red Riders half as much as I do that choice of windherder enchantment.

Plan Redshirt v4.53236

It me. It's my plan, so I get to pick the actions, and I prefer Whispering Shadows. Deal with it. 😎

Plan Bring Running Shoes with Seviroscope:

Objectively the superior plan to plain Running Shoes. This being lower in the polls is clear proof: Democracy simply does not work.

Jokes aside, I'm gonna approval vote this.
I actually care more strongly about which apparition we capture than I do about which Windherding project we do. I am not interested in creating an apparition spell for assassination, and I have tried and failed to come up with other uses for apparitions like the Black Essence. A Rider in Red fits a niche and theme I am much more interested in. For Windherding I explicitly came up with the idea for the Cloak because I wanted something that would be an item that is not too hard to make and that we would at have at least some use for (giving to Eike). While it hurts a little to hear it called "a random gaudy cloak", compared to Seviroscope I can see how the scope is more exciting. I have even been approval voting Plan Bring Running Shoes with Seviroscope for a while now, and if I had known we could Windherd the scope I might have suggested it in my base plan (though I do still have a fondness for the Cloak). I do want to point out that making a Seviroscope is probably going to take more than 1 AP, so that would be another project that we would be starting on, though one with less time pressure once started than apparition binding.

As for Plan Roadmap to Success, I agree that it's ok, and I won't be too sad if it wins, I just think Windherding is much more interesting than cartography.

tldr: I think Plan Bring Running Shoes with Seviroscope is a good compromise between our plans.
 
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